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Hayabusa

Juniors
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Lately I've been watching most Raiders games amongst friends who are supporters of other teams. Over this season its been a recurring theme for them to ask questions about our backline players who they have been pleasantly surprised by.

Guys like Chalk, Ale, Milne, Graham (really got their attention this year) and Howell. Basically the guys who are under the radar in comparison to other big name high contract rep backs at other clubs.

What amuses me though is that lately we've been talking about June 30 and all of them keep mentioning how Canberra need a high profile centre. This really got me thinking of whether big name backs (mainly centres) are a valuable purchase or a risk. [font=Verdana, Arial]Without starting it up again, the heated debate about Frawley on here is a good example of where i'm coming from on this.[/font][font=Verdana, Arial]

Over the past few years it seems centres in particular have become a risky buy, it could be due to new clubs thinking they are wingers and playing them out of position, due to having to learn a new playing style in the halves, or simply too much pressure to deliver a truckload of tries which can sometimes be well beyond their control. Guys like Vagana, Hodges (not counting his move back), Lolesi, Monaghan, Frawley, and even Tahu. All of them on decent contracts and seem to have struggled and never really regained the form of prior clubs.

The more i think about it the more worthwile it seems to me is to have patience and develop backs from within the system. Even a guy like Ale although a new signing has had much less pressure on him in reserve grade ranks, I'm wondering if taking the stress off these guys is the key. In Ale's instance he is in contention for a spot but doesn't expect it, it means he is still hungry but will not get completely destroyed psychologically if he doesn't slot in immediately. The reserve grade environment allows him to flourish and learn the coaches and club styles whilst still getting a look in at the top grade (even though I don't agree with him being dropped currently). Then there are guys like Milne and Chalk who we are all excited about eventually suiting up in Lime green fulltime who have both shown impressive signs in first grade and plenty of confidence.

As a Raiders fan like all of us I miss our elite days and the lack of rep players which used have the opposition fear playing us. But as much as we all are dissapointed with these project players maybe management got it right with our backline. I think Mogg, Gafa and Robbo are clogging our system a bit, but i'm much more confident in our future with Chalk, Graham, Schif, Milne, Ale and Mundine to hopefully suit up for us on a regular basis. This also seems to be the same for other clubs when you look at the likes of Soliola, Bott and Vatuvei who are all looking like potential stars for their respective clubs.

So what do you guys think? Do we need a high profile centre? would it be a bust? Could they excel with our playing style? Would it be neglecting our other needs?
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Timbo

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Staff member
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Berrigan would go nicely 8)

However, if in 2 or 3 seasons our backline read:

1-Schifcofske
2-Frawley
3-Ale
4-Howell
5-Graham
6-Zillman
7-Carney

With Milne, Mundine, etc. still hanging around as a backup, then I'd be more than happy.
 

Raider Crusader

Juniors
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445
In a few years time, our team should look like...

1- Chalk
2- Milne
3- Ale
4- Howell
5- Graham
6- Zillman
7- Carney
8- Miller
9- Withers
10- Weyman
11- Kahler
12- Raston
13- Campese

Int.
14- Tongue
15- Lomu
16- Thompson
17- Cross

*Presuming Schifcofske, Adamson, Smith, Croker, Woolford retire; and guys like Williams, Hodgson, Hindmarsh, Gafa, Frawley, Mogg, etc go to other clubs.
 

legend

Coach
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15,150
I think Hodgson will stay at the club for the remainder of his career and I doubt Cross will be re-signed when his contract is up. I don't see Howell as a long term buy for the club.
 

thickos

First Grade
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7,086
Excellent post Hayabusa.

In part I have to agree, I really do hope the young, talented guys we have coming through step up to the plate, guys we have developed such as Milne, Graham, Chalk etc... plus the young astute purchases such as Ale kick on now they are here in Canberra.

One problem is that too often our youngsters rot away in PL, or if they do hit form in firsts they start thinking of rep jerseys and sadly they leave the club. Joel Monas and Finch both played 70-odd games here, that's a lot of football in a young player's career... our development for another club's gain.

Because of the dynamic nature of the business, we need to both nurture young talent and be on the market for top line backs... we won't sign everyone we want to and sadly we won't keep everyone we want to either.
 

TiTTieS_[CNTDN]

Juniors
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2,470
Agreed, thickos, especially about...

thickos said:
Because of the dynamic nature of the business, we need to both nurture young talent and be on the market for top line backs... we won't sign everyone we want to and sadly we won't keep everyone we want to either.

Unfortunately, the rep jersey seems to be a big lure so the best way to combat that I guess is to lock them into long term contracts. Last year with Joel Monaghan, he was off contract. If he had only had that one extra year left on contract, he may have been able to push for origin selection and not bothered moving on.
 

Tidus_Raider

Bench
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2,576
It's always hard to predict the future. I remember I tried doing that a couple of years ago and had people like Monaghan and Lolesi in the centres in Mclinden and Finch in the halves.

Guys in reggies and jersey Flegg seem to coming along very quickly these days too. We all expect Zillman and Carney to be our halves combo in a couple of years but a you guy by the name of marc Herbert is aslo ding very well.

I think Frawley has been a dud buy. Ale, Milne and Chalk have alot of potential.

I hope our backline looks something like this:

Schif - will be around for a couple more years
Milne
Ale
Graham
Howell
Zillman
Carney

Our forwards seem to be coming along well if we can keep them all on the field. Weyman needs a HUGE offseason to get his body up to first grade standard. If the raps on Tilse are correct he may be just as good. Raston has really impressed, Kahler is still getting better and Campese's future is at Lock.

If we keep all these blokes there's no reason we can't be a dominant force in 2-3 years.
 

legend

Coach
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15,150
The Cowboys have been successful in luring quality talent after many years in the premiership wilderness so there is no reason we can't do the same. We just need that one marquee signing and the rest will follow.
 

Stuart

Juniors
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799
I think the future is really hard to predict. However i wouldnt be surprised if when schif leaves it is Zillman that fills his spot and not Chalk, Zillman has impressed me as the PL fullback and with a lot of young halves this may be what the club decides to do. Dobson and Herbert are very good future halves prospects and may be pushing for first grade within 1 or 2 seasons.

In the backs i think there are a few guys that might emerge in the next few years who may push out incumbents. Sau, ,Crisp, Lelei and Tui come to mind. I cannot see Frawley staying past 2007, he is there to fill in in the backs till the young guys progress to first grade standard.
 

skeepe

Immortal
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48,303
No... I'd go further. For what his brought to the team - so far, mind you - his signing is up there with Matt Rua.
 

legend

Coach
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15,150
Have you won at bingo yet Nick because I see you calling that out all day long?

Hopefully your number will come up soon or we could meet and have a game at Cabramatta Leagues Club. ;-)
 

Raider_69

Post Whore
Messages
61,174
legend said:
Have you won at bingo yet Nick because I see you calling that out all day long?

Hopefully your number will come up soon or we could meet and have a game at Cabramatta Leagues Club. ;-)

:lol: :lol:
Just give me a time and date and ill be there
just so long as big bad Macko is busy being a tough guy else where for the day
 

Edwahu

Bench
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3,697
I wouldnt write Dobson off as a potential first grade halfback. He has alot more experience and is a more natural organiser in the position. Size is a worry but he has time to work on that. Mclean will be a very good first grader too.

It will be interesting to see if Campese is re-signed or plays any more games at 5/8th.
 

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