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OUST DOUST SERIES 2

Dragon David

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I have decided to start another Oust Doust thread so that we can again vent our anger and anything else at him and the rest of the Board. Most of us have posted so much on other threads about our so called management, so I thought a separate one would give us a "special" area to raise our frustrations and opinions with the hope that the thread would build up to a point where the media might see how we all feel in this thread straight up.

I hope you guys don't mind.
 

Dragon David

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I'd like to start by posting something from Dragonsupporter last night -

"It was interesting on the weekend when i was driving home listening to the Continuous Call Team on the radio. Piggy Riddell-who played for us for a few years- was asked what he thought was wrong with the Dragons. Straight up he said it was Doust and the rest of the Board. He said that Doust had had many years to deliver the goods to St George, and most famously stuffed up over Bennetts contract extension. He said if Doust couldnt deliver during those years, then why was he on the board now. Its strange that everyone outside seems to know what is wrong with the Dragons , except for the board. Poor coaching choices and extensions when they werent justified or needed , yet no accountability to Club members or supporters. I'm not sure what it takes to get action, but i also know currently that Emails don't appear to be getting answered. Im hoping its the volume of them thats overwhelming the staff, not just that they dont care."
 

ruthless dragon

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I am right up for this.
Does anyone have the names and contacts if possible, of the Board members?
Cannot believe that halfwit Doust has ended up on the Board.
Time to fry.
 
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BTB

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I'd like to start by posting something from Dragonsupporter last night -

"It was interesting on the weekend when i was driving home listening to the Continuous Call Team on the radio. Piggy Riddell-who played for us for a few years- was asked what he thought was wrong with the Dragons. Straight up he said it was Doust and the rest of the Board. He said that Doust had had many years to deliver the goods to St George, and most famously stuffed up over Bennetts contract extension. He said if Doust couldnt deliver during those years, then why was he on the board now. Its strange that everyone outside seems to know what is wrong with the Dragons , except for the board. Poor coaching choices and extensions when they werent justified or needed , yet no accountability to Club members or supporters. I'm not sure what it takes to get action, but i also know currently that Emails don't appear to be getting answered. Im hoping its the volume of them thats overwhelming the staff, not just that they dont care."
They just don't care. Like to know what the deal was, when DOUST ushered in those Gordon's for half price (6m). Apparently there was an offer for nearly double that 6million
From Sydney Kings owners
11.5million.
How does DOUST justify that?
Yet here we are with DOUST back on the Board.
How can any club CEO, gift
such a sweet deal to those
SHORT FINGERED Gordon's. Escape ridicule by retiring and pop his parasitic head up again as a director on the Board.
Good to hear Piggy Riddle naming and shaming this
Low life Doust, as the perpetrator of our once proud clubs DEMISE.
 

KogarahWarrior

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I will do literally anything to get this to happen. I hope Willow or anyone else with great knowledge of the club can help us out here
 

ruthless dragon

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Which of the following is the Rat in the ranks.
Andrew Lancaster (Chairman)
Craig Osborne
Graeme Gulloch
Peter Doust
Ralph Piggott
Ben Creagh
Genevieve Gordon
Martin Newman
 

TheRev

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I dont want to give the board too much credit.. but I have to admit that they leaked the information they wanted to leak, but they did a good job of keeping all the Hasler stuff hush hush until last night (which is how it should be).. its pretty clear they were a few weeks ahead of where the media thought they were... even last night the media were still talking about 4 candidates etc...
 

Dragon David

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They just don't care. Like to know what the deal was, when DOUST ushered in those Gordon's for half price (6m). Apparently there was an offer for nearly double that 6million
From Sydney Kings owners
11.5million.
How does DOUST justify that?
Yet here we are with DOUST back on the Board.
How can any club CEO, gift
such a sweet deal to those
SHORT FINGERED Gordon's. Escape ridicule by retiring and pop his parasitic head up again as a director on the Board.
Good to hear Piggy Riddle naming and shaming this
Low life Doust, as the perpetrator of our once proud clubs DEMISE.
Hi BTB

You have also said this another thread which I also agree with -

A bit more tolerant only BSE. Is there a common thread that all 3 of these coaches have virtually not done a good job for the club and would it be likely that the 4th guy, whomever that will be, will die on his sword as well? In other words, are we cursed?
Yes we are cursed with DOUST. Get this parasite out of our Club, once and for all. Thought he was gone after the shonky Gordon deal. He retired as CEO thinking he could escape the ridicule.Then for some reason he turns up again on the Board. Nose firmly back in the TROUGH.
 

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ruthless dragon

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Osborne, Director at St George Illawarra Dragons , CEO at Unison Outsourcing , and Managing Partner at RMB Lawyers

Graeme Gulloch Non Executive Director at St George Illawarra Dragons.Ph+61242211300 graeme@waples.com.au

Peter Doust Doust was a much-maligned CEO who lingers for reasons passing understanding. Bludger for 20yrs
Genevieve Gordon daughter of gordon the god

Martin Newman martinn@newmans.com.au
Hard to get info but the following I couldn't resist

There’s little evidence to suggest the Dragons directors are collectively strong on strategic thinking.
Coaches will come and go but most of the furniture will remain the same. Some of it’s been gathering dust in the boardroom for nearly 40 years.
TOWNSVILLE, AUSTRALIA - JUNE 10: Dragons coach Anthony Griffin looks on before the start of the round 14 NRL match between the North Queensland Cowboys and the St George Illawarra Dragons at Qld Country Bank Stadium, on June 10, 2022, in Townsville, Australia. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

Unless you’re inclined to agitate, or even organise and have a tilt at the next board election – and this has been tried before – there’s a certain level of zen, or just resigned cynicism, necessary to stay the course.
With a small change in the offing, it’s worth revisiting what the club is, who makes the big decisions and why success will only ever be fleeting and probably accidental for the foreseeable future.
What is St George Illawarra?
The Dragons are still commonly referred to as a ‘joint venture’ due to the merger between the St George and Illawarra district rugby league clubs in 1999.


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While Illawarra remain part of the present-day Dragons through junior development and representative teams, the club’s name and a single board appointee, there is no longer a joint venture like there is at Wests Tigers.
In 2018, the heavily indebted Steelers received an offer they couldn’t refuse from WIN Corporation, headed by Bruce Gordon and his Dragons supporting son Andrew, with WIN acquiring a 50 per cent stake in the NRL club.
The Dragons are now a mixed ownership model, more akin to Souths than Wests.
The board is comprised of eight directors, four from St George Leagues Club and four from WIN, including the one Steelers representative who must be formally nominated by the new part-owner. Despite an even number of directors, the Chair does not possess a casting vote.
The leagues club remains a profitable entity and has ridden out the downturn caused by COVID-19 through a combination of its cash reserves and government help. It’s also still sitting on some valuable physical assets in Sydney.
[profitable entity: https://stgeorgeleagues.com.au/wp-c...C-Annual-Financial-Report-31-October-2021.pdf]
WIN is – how to say this politely and without getting anybody sued – something of a mystery. It’s not bound by the disclosure obligations required of many other companies. By all reports, its regional media concerns are doing very well, and Gordon Sr continues to appear on various Australian rich lists.


Advertisement

So far, so good, right? Well sure, the club’s not going belly-up any time soon. But financial security does not equal direction or vision. People still need to provide these things. So, are they?
Who are St George Illawarra and what do they do?
Behind the smiling face of Ben Hunt and Griffin’s permanent scowl reside the people who are ultimately responsible for the playing roster, the coach, the facilities and, most importantly, the future.
CEO Ryan Webb heads the administration. Webb has a background in marketing Australian rules football and spent more than three years as Chief Operating Officer at Wests. He was hired by the Dragons after a brief stint at a company that provides something called an ‘augmented reality app’. As far as I can gather, that’s a fancy way of delivering spam.
WOLLONGONG, AUSTRALIA - JULY 03: Dragon players celebrate winning the round 16 NRL match between the St George Illawarra Dragons and the Canberra Raiders at WIN Stadium, on July 03, 2022, in Wollongong, Australia. (Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)


While he’s surely influential, unlike many of his counterparts Webb is not a director. He advises he board and implements their directives. Which brings us to the Dragons’ board.
On the leagues club side, we have Craig Young, a former premiership-winning player and policeman, Peter Doust who spent nearly two decades as CEO and businessmen Peter Black and Ralph Piggott. There’s little publicly available information about the latter two, but Black’s obviously well connected, if nothing else.


Advertisement

On the WIN side, we have Andrew Gordon and WIN CEO Andrew Lancaster, as well as Craig Osborne, a general-purpose lawyer in the Wollongong area, and the token Steeler, Graeme Gulloch.
On paper, there are worse boards in the NRL but as an outsider, it’s impossible to know what goes on in these boardrooms.
The diverse groups (Wests, Gold Coast and North Queensland) might be havens of debate and creativity, or mires of indecision. The insular groups (Melbourne and New Zealand) might be stagnant puddles or just ruthlessly focused on objectives and outcomes.
The old boys’ networks (Manly) might be invaluable wells of corporate knowledge and not just the ancient and emeritus.
The Dragons are a mix. WIN’s been involved with the club longer than they’ve owned it and Gordon and Lancaster likely bring experience and discipline. Osborne’s legal practice is sufficiently diverse for him to have a useful perspective about risk. Gulloch’s probably irrelevant except when it comes to voting.
The leagues club side seems to be the problem. Doust was a much-maligned CEO who lingers for reasons passing understanding. Black’s been a St George director for nearly 40 years and Piggott’s not far behind. Young’s the Chair you have when the Chair doesn’t wield actual power. They’re in desperate need of renewal.
The board’s recent history is also a mixed bag. Just last month the Dragons and the University of Wollongong (UOW) announced plans for a $50 million community and high-performance centre adjoining the campus.




Which brings me back to Griffin. While I was not enamored of his appointment, I was happy to give him a chance. While his overall record at Brisbane and Penrith was middling, he left teams that went on to success shortly after his departure.
You can, of course, interpret this in different ways: he was either a drag on performance or adept at laying a foundation.



Regardless, what bothered me was the reasoning behind his appointment. The Dragons board were reportedly looking for a coach with strong qualifications in terms of defence and discipline, as well as a history of being involved in successful cultures.
There was never any evidence of Griffin being a strong defensive coach at Brisbane or Penrith, and his Dragons team is currently the fifth-worst team in terms of points conceded and by far the worst when it comes to missed tackles and conceding line breaks.
The term ‘discipline’ could mean any number of things. I don’t see evidence of a shared ethic. Quite the opposite, be it foul play on the field, poor decision-making by players like Zac Lomax or indiscreet public comments by multiple players. And that’s before we get to Paul Vaughan and the infamous barbecue.
As for an involvement in ‘successful cultures’, did Griffin foster successful cultures in his previous roles or create cultures opposed to his presence? I don’t know but I’ve heard both versions.
Maybe next time, the Dragons should have a clearer idea about what and who they’re looking for. Something a bit more measurable and less open to interpretation. Based on his history, you could make a case for and against hiring Griffin as coach.
In other words, they might’ve been better off picking a name out of a hat.


 
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BTB

Juniors
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Osborne, Director at St George Illawarra Dragons , CEO at Unison Outsourcing , and Managing Partner at RMB Lawyers

Graeme Gulloch Non Executive Director at St George Illawarra Dragons.Ph+61242211300 graeme@waples.com.au

Peter Doust Doust was a much-maligned CEO who lingers for reasons passing understanding. Bludger for 20yrs
Genevieve Gordon daughter of gordon the god

Martin Newman martinn@newmans.com.au
Hard to get info but the following I couldn't resist

There’s little evidence to suggest the Dragons directors are collectively strong on strategic thinking.
Coaches will come and go but most of the furniture will remain the same. Some of it’s been gathering dust in the boardroom for nearly 40 years.
TOWNSVILLE, AUSTRALIA - JUNE 10: Dragons coach Anthony Griffin looks on before the start of the round 14 NRL match between the North Queensland Cowboys and the St George Illawarra Dragons at Qld Country Bank Stadium, on June 10, 2022, in Townsville, Australia. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

Unless you’re inclined to agitate, or even organise and have a tilt at the next board election – and this has been tried before – there’s a certain level of zen, or just resigned cynicism, necessary to stay the course.
With a small change in the offing, it’s worth revisiting what the club is, who makes the big decisions and why success will only ever be fleeting and probably accidental for the foreseeable future.
What is St George Illawarra?
The Dragons are still commonly referred to as a ‘joint venture’ due to the merger between the St George and Illawarra district rugby league clubs in 1999.


Advertisement

While Illawarra remain part of the present-day Dragons through junior development and representative teams, the club’s name and a single board appointee, there is no longer a joint venture like there is at Wests Tigers.
In 2018, the heavily indebted Steelers received an offer they couldn’t refuse from WIN Corporation, headed by Bruce Gordon and his Dragons supporting son Andrew, with WIN acquiring a 50 per cent stake in the NRL club.
The Dragons are now a mixed ownership model, more akin to Souths than Wests.
The board is comprised of eight directors, four from St George Leagues Club and four from WIN, including the one Steelers representative who must be formally nominated by the new part-owner. Despite an even number of directors, the Chair does not possess a casting vote.
The leagues club remains a profitable entity and has ridden out the downturn caused by COVID-19 through a combination of its cash reserves and government help. It’s also still sitting on some valuable physical assets in Sydney.
[profitable entity: https://stgeorgeleagues.com.au/wp-c...C-Annual-Financial-Report-31-October-2021.pdf]
WIN is – how to say this politely and without getting anybody sued – something of a mystery. It’s not bound by the disclosure obligations required of many other companies. By all reports, its regional media concerns are doing very well, and Gordon Sr continues to appear on various Australian rich lists.


Advertisement

So far, so good, right? Well sure, the club’s not going belly-up any time soon. But financial security does not equal direction or vision. People still need to provide these things. So, are they?
Who are St George Illawarra and what do they do?
Behind the smiling face of Ben Hunt and Griffin’s permanent scowl reside the people who are ultimately responsible for the playing roster, the coach, the facilities and, most importantly, the future.
CEO Ryan Webb heads the administration. Webb has a background in marketing Australian rules football and spent more than three years as Chief Operating Officer at Wests. He was hired by the Dragons after a brief stint at a company that provides something called an ‘augmented reality app’. As far as I can gather, that’s a fancy way of delivering spam.
WOLLONGONG, AUSTRALIA - JULY 03: Dragon players celebrate winning the round 16 NRL match between the St George Illawarra Dragons and the Canberra Raiders at WIN Stadium, on July 03, 2022, in Wollongong, Australia. (Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)


While he’s surely influential, unlike many of his counterparts Webb is not a director. He advises he board and implements their directives. Which brings us to the Dragons’ board.
On the leagues club side, we have Craig Young, a former premiership-winning player and policeman, Peter Doust who spent nearly two decades as CEO and businessmen Peter Black and Ralph Piggott. There’s little publicly available information about the latter two, but Black’s obviously well connected, if nothing else.


Advertisement

On the WIN side, we have Andrew Gordon and WIN CEO Andrew Lancaster, as well as Craig Osborne, a general-purpose lawyer in the Wollongong area, and the token Steeler, Graeme Gulloch.
On paper, there are worse boards in the NRL but as an outsider, it’s impossible to know what goes on in these boardrooms.
The diverse groups (Wests, Gold Coast and North Queensland) might be havens of debate and creativity, or mires of indecision. The insular groups (Melbourne and New Zealand) might be stagnant puddles or just ruthlessly focused on objectives and outcomes.
The old boys’ networks (Manly) might be invaluable wells of corporate knowledge and not just the ancient and emeritus.
The Dragons are a mix. WIN’s been involved with the club longer than they’ve owned it and Gordon and Lancaster likely bring experience and discipline. Osborne’s legal practice is sufficiently diverse for him to have a useful perspective about risk. Gulloch’s probably irrelevant except when it comes to voting.
The leagues club side seems to be the problem. Doust was a much-maligned CEO who lingers for reasons passing understanding. Black’s been a St George director for nearly 40 years and Piggott’s not far behind. Young’s the Chair you have when the Chair doesn’t wield actual power. They’re in desperate need of renewal.
The board’s recent history is also a mixed bag. Just last month the Dragons and the University of Wollongong (UOW) announced plans for a $50 million community and high-performance centre adjoining the campus.




Which brings me back to Griffin. While I was not enamored of his appointment, I was happy to give him a chance. While his overall record at Brisbane and Penrith was middling, he left teams that went on to success shortly after his departure.
You can, of course, interpret this in different ways: he was either a drag on performance or adept at laying a foundation.



Regardless, what bothered me was the reasoning behind his appointment. The Dragons board were reportedly looking for a coach with strong qualifications in terms of defence and discipline, as well as a history of being involved in successful cultures.
There was never any evidence of Griffin being a strong defensive coach at Brisbane or Penrith, and his Dragons team is currently the fifth-worst team in terms of points conceded and by far the worst when it comes to missed tackles and conceding line breaks.
The term ‘discipline’ could mean any number of things. I don’t see evidence of a shared ethic. Quite the opposite, be it foul play on the field, poor decision-making by players like Zac Lomax or indiscreet public comments by multiple players. And that’s before we get to Paul Vaughan and the infamous barbecue.
As for an involvement in ‘successful cultures’, did Griffin foster successful cultures in his previous roles or create cultures opposed to his presence? I don’t know but I’ve heard both versions.
Maybe next time, the Dragons should have a clearer idea about what and who they’re looking for. Something a bit more measurable and less open to interpretation. Based on his history, you could make a case for and against hiring Griffin as coach.
In other words, they might’ve been better off picking a name out of a hat.


Thanks for that.
Now we know who is up who in the zoo.😡
 
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