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Panthers 3rd highest TPA ..... more than roosters!

kinghippo

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AILYTELEGRAPH · SOURCE ›
Melbourne, Brisbane, Penrith the biggest third party agreement spenders in the NRL
FEBRUARY 19, 2018IN a landmark change, the NRL is considering revealing what clubs spend on third parties each year in a bid to kill off the damaging whispers that give rise to suspicions of salary cap rorting.

NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks has admitted the current system is no longer acceptable.

The two options currently being considered are to anonymously reveal what each club receives in third parties by simply labelling them Club A, Club B and so on, or revealing what each club is actually receiving in third party agreements.

Only one is acceptable.

What eventually gets agreed upon by the clubs and the RLPA will depend on how mature they can be in the conversation.


;What we have done,Weeks said is we have agreed with our clubs to have a discussion about that and we need to engage the players association in that as well.

There is a lot of misinformation around about third party agreements.

A working party of NRL chief executives will form next week to discuss changes to the current system.

As part of its information gathering, the NRL disclosed to certain sections of media how much is being spent in legal third parties. It was a mature decision designed to correct the often damaging narrative around third parties.

But the secret is out.

For years the game has pedalled the line that the salary cap and produces parity across the competition.

That was supported in Monday presentation, which included the statistic that, since 2000, 75 per cent of NRL teams have won the premiership (the four who haven’t are Gold Coast, Parramatta, Canberra and Warriors).

That’s significantly higher than any other league around the world,Weeks said.

In the same time frame just 50 per cent of the competition has won the Super Rugby title, 56 per cent have won the AFL flag, 34 per cent have won the Super Bowl, 40 per cent the major league baseball pennant, 27 the NBA championship and a mere 25 per cent the English Premier League.

It reflects well for the NRL.

Last season, $3.76 million was paid to 93 players across the NRL in arm length third party agreements. The great majority 77 players were Origin level or other tier one internationals, already among their clubs best earners.

The NRL would not reveal each club spend, which averaged to $235,000 each club.

It is known Melbourne Storm benefited most. Storm players earned an extra $788,000 in third parties.

Brisbane was next, more than $200,000 below Melbourne but still commanding more than half a million dollars in third party income. Penrith was third, also benefiting by more than half a million dollars paid to its players in third parties.

The other club significantly above the average last season was Manly, spending more than $300,000.

The bottom club, St George Illawarra, got only a small third party benefit, receiving $26,000 in extra income.

Third parties are the ugly rebuttal in the NRL claim of competition parity.

While 75 per cent of the competition might have won a grand final since 2000, a lesser known fact is that of the 18 grand finals played, 15 have featured either the game top two third party spenders, and Melbourne and Brisbane, as well as Sydney Roosters.

Is that merely a quirk, or competitive advantage? Clearly the old sell, that the competition is a level playing field, no longer works.

While some clubs will be reluctant to release their spending advantage the difference in total salaries has real world impact that few fully consider.

For example, in the first five rounds beginning next month Ivan Cleary’s Wests Tigers face Melbourne twice and Brisbane, ranked one and two and third party spending, as well as Parramatta and the Sydney Roosters.

The Tigers could conceivably be 0-5 based on roster strength, a position that could naturally lead to fans questioning their season prospects and to begin theorising whether Clearys recruitment was any good, whether he can coach at all, whether the players can play.

In an industry where job security is impossible, the disparity could decide careers.

Tigers fans should know their club is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars less than their opponents. Cleary and other coaches in similar positions, like the Dragons Paul McGregor, should be afforded a sympathetic hearing before judgment is applied.

That extra $788,000 that Melbourne has to spend nearly equates to a marquee player. It is the difference between having a Jesse Bromwich or Cameron Munster in your side, or not.

Trying to argue that clubs should get off their backsides and generate more third party deals, as some suggest, is ridiculous.

Firstly, it is illegal for clubs to generate these third parties.

More importantly, it gives no thought to the different commercial realities of each market.

Sydney has nine clubs to split among its population of five million, Melbourne and Brisbane are the lone NRL teams in cities of 4.7 and 2.3 million respectively.

All dwarf the likes of Newcastle (436,000), Canberra (435,000) and Townsville (178,000). And add to that the competition for sponsorships from other sporting codes, which differ with each city, and the commercial realities for each club emerge significantly different.

It is impossible for all to be the same and, really, for all to be considered the same.
 

kinghippo

Juniors
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AILYTELEGRAPH · SOURCE ›
Melbourne, Brisbane, Penrith the biggest third party agreement spenders in the NRL
FEBRUARY 19, 2018IN a landmark change, the NRL is considering revealing what clubs spend on third parties each year in a bid to kill off the damaging whispers that give rise to suspicions of salary cap rorting.

NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks has admitted the current system is no longer acceptable.

The two options currently being considered are to anonymously reveal what each club receives in third parties by simply labelling them Club A, Club B and so on, or revealing what each club is actually receiving in third party agreements.

Only one is acceptable.

What eventually gets agreed upon by the clubs and the RLPA will depend on how mature they can be in the conversation.


;What we have done,Weeks said is we have agreed with our clubs to have a discussion about that and we need to engage the players association in that as well.

There is a lot of misinformation around about third party agreements.

A working party of NRL chief executives will form next week to discuss changes to the current system.

As part of its information gathering, the NRL disclosed to certain sections of media how much is being spent in legal third parties. It was a mature decision designed to correct the often damaging narrative around third parties.

But the secret is out.

For years the game has pedalled the line that the salary cap and produces parity across the competition.

That was supported in Monday presentation, which included the statistic that, since 2000, 75 per cent of NRL teams have won the premiership (the four who haven’t are Gold Coast, Parramatta, Canberra and Warriors).

That’s significantly higher than any other league around the world,Weeks said.

In the same time frame just 50 per cent of the competition has won the Super Rugby title, 56 per cent have won the AFL flag, 34 per cent have won the Super Bowl, 40 per cent the major league baseball pennant, 27 the NBA championship and a mere 25 per cent the English Premier League.

It reflects well for the NRL.

Last season, $3.76 million was paid to 93 players across the NRL in arm length third party agreements. The great majority 77 players were Origin level or other tier one internationals, already among their clubs best earners.

The NRL would not reveal each club spend, which averaged to $235,000 each club.

It is known Melbourne Storm benefited most. Storm players earned an extra $788,000 in third parties.

Brisbane was next, more than $200,000 below Melbourne but still commanding more than half a million dollars in third party income. Penrith was third, also benefiting by more than half a million dollars paid to its players in third parties.

The other club significantly above the average last season was Manly, spending more than $300,000.

The bottom club, St George Illawarra, got only a small third party benefit, receiving $26,000 in extra income.

Third parties are the ugly rebuttal in the NRL claim of competition parity.

While 75 per cent of the competition might have won a grand final since 2000, a lesser known fact is that of the 18 grand finals played, 15 have featured either the game top two third party spenders, and Melbourne and Brisbane, as well as Sydney Roosters.

Is that merely a quirk, or competitive advantage? Clearly the old sell, that the competition is a level playing field, no longer works.

While some clubs will be reluctant to release their spending advantage the difference in total salaries has real world impact that few fully consider.

For example, in the first five rounds beginning next month Ivan Cleary’s Wests Tigers face Melbourne twice and Brisbane, ranked one and two and third party spending, as well as Parramatta and the Sydney Roosters.

The Tigers could conceivably be 0-5 based on roster strength, a position that could naturally lead to fans questioning their season prospects and to begin theorising whether Clearys recruitment was any good, whether he can coach at all, whether the players can play.

In an industry where job security is impossible, the disparity could decide careers.

Tigers fans should know their club is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars less than their opponents. Cleary and other coaches in similar positions, like the Dragons Paul McGregor, should be afforded a sympathetic hearing before judgment is applied.

That extra $788,000 that Melbourne has to spend nearly equates to a marquee player. It is the difference between having a Jesse Bromwich or Cameron Munster in your side, or not.

Trying to argue that clubs should get off their backsides and generate more third party deals, as some suggest, is ridiculous.

Firstly, it is illegal for clubs to generate these third parties.

More importantly, it gives no thought to the different commercial realities of each market.

Sydney has nine clubs to split among its population of five million, Melbourne and Brisbane are the lone NRL teams in cities of 4.7 and 2.3 million respectively.

All dwarf the likes of Newcastle (436,000), Canberra (435,000) and Townsville (178,000). And add to that the competition for sponsorships from other sporting codes, which differ with each city, and the commercial realities for each club emerge significantly different.

It is impossible for all to be the same and, really, for all to be considered the same.
I’m pretty surprised by this, although the article does say some clubs are reluctant to give up the information so I assume the figures must be very inaccurate.
 

T-Boon

Coach
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A working party of NRL chief executives will form next week to discuss changes to the current system.

That is always code for Greenberg, Brisbane and Melbourne are coming in for a scotch and a lap dance at Nick Politis' mansion on the harbour.
 

adamkungl

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A wild adamkungl appears.

Seriously though do you expect ANY club to be honest.

Why bother cheating when better connections, better facilities and better reputation do the same job?

That Parra Melbourne and Dogs were desperate enough to cook the books is amateurish.. why would you promise that shit in contracts or leave a paper trail?

If you stopped field teams that stink to heaven of salary cap cheating and then for good measure add one of the best players in the game then yeah when that stops probably the allegations stop.

"Waah, my club cheated and still came last"
 

mxlegend99

Referee
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So we had the third most expensive roster in 2017 then? Only fair we should expect to be a top 4 team with such an expensive roster.

I doubt we have that in 2018 though. Surely Cartwright and Moylan were among the TPAs. They weren't replaced.

Tamou and Merrin would be our only TPAs now you would think.
 

kinghippo

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Yeah where did it come from if no one shared the info?
It’s is a pretty garbage article but it will no doubt be referenced for years to come by roosters fans. Their vindication is now obvious and they can jump into random threads at will with ammo in hand!
The only issue it raises is what we already know, there is a unfair advantage to certain teams that needs to be addressed. Everyone except the Roosters and Broncos fans know that :money_mouth:
 

GongPanther

Referee
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This quote from the DT:

"The NRL would not reveal each club spend, which averaged to $235,000 each club."

And yet in the very next paragraph:

"It is known Melbourne Storm benefited most. Storm players earned an extra $788,000 in third parties.

Brisbane was next, more than $200,000 below Melbourne but still commanding more than half a million dollars in third party income. Penrith was third, also benefiting by more than half a million dollars paid to its players in third parties."

It must be one of those Cooper-Scoopers were he says on NRL 360: "The Daily Telegraph can confirm from a source"

The most laughable bit was the Dragons on their $26k TPA. I mean come on man!,you simply can't make comedy gold up like that.
 
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