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Panthers Season in Review 2012

Big Mick

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Panthers on track for prosperity or destruction?

Penrith Panther fans will always look back on 2012 as the catalyst for one of two things to have occurred in the future – either as a platform laid for sustained and prolonged success, or whether the club will be going through yet another re-building phase in three years time. While those statements may seem dramatic, one must put into context the events that occurred at the Panthers in 2012 and how the foundation of the club was shaken at its core.

The first tremor was felt prior to origin period as rumours began to surface regarding Michael Jennings being dropped to Windsor after being left out of the line up to play the Dragons, a game which Penrith won in a golden point thriller. Ivan Cleary promised when he took over that he would not shy away from tough decisions and he made his first move with Jennings, citing poor form as the reason behind the move. This decision to drop Jennings has put the club in a position where there is constant speculation as to the star centre’s future at Penrith, with media outlets linking him to at least eight clubs since May.

This wasn’t the only tremor to register on the Richter scale at Penrith in 2012, with what seemed like a slight tremor ultimately proving crack the foundations. In May, Luke Lewis was dumped as skipper of the Panthers with Cleary and management citing that it would relieve the stress on Lewis being involved in an arduous Origin campaign. Kevin Kingston was appointed captain and while Cleary had stated Lewis may return as captain, there was certainly an underlying anger that was on a slow boil.

The months of June/July would prove to be the point in time when most fans were left wondering – Is this really worth it? It began with star fullback Michael Gordon signing a three-year deal with the Cronulla Sharks, prompting a significant backlash towards both the club and Gordon on Social Media outlets. Then in mid-June, after a diabolical showing against the New Zealand Warriors, Lachlan Coote was dropped to Windsor, but was given a last minute reprieve when Josh Mansour was injured prior to the Titans clash.

In July, the perceived last straw among Penrith fans – the prodigal son of Penrith, who many believed would be a one-club player, Luke Lewis, requested a release in order to join the Cronulla Sharks. While the reasons cited for Lewis’s departure were noted as “looking for a new outlook and challenge”, one does not need to travel far in social media outlets to find there may be more to the story. Ultimately we may never find out the rationale.

The 2012 season will be remembered more for what happened off the field at the Panthers club, rather than any spectacular showing on it. At what looked like a promising season after winning two of their first three games, the Panthers succumbed to a mounting injury toll that resulted in the play on the field not meeting expectations. Ultimately in the NRL, the teams with the least amount of injuries and being able to form combinations week-in-week-out are the teams that will be successful. Penrith had not fielded the same line-up each week for the majority of the year due to injury concerns and it wasn’t until the last six rounds that Penrith fans began to see potential in the team – winning four of their last six.

Ultimately though, the Panthers club will be judged on what has occurred in 2012, by the results that are achieved in 2013 and beyond. Will the upheaval be worth it? That is a question that only Ivan Cleary and the playing group will have to address, beginning next March.

The Good
• Entrance early into the player market – For the first time in a decade the Panthers have been active in the player market. Gould and his management team has built significant depth within the club along with signing some star power in Sika Manu, James Segeyaro and Lewis Brown.
• The emergence of some young talent – Through significant injuries come significant opportunities for young players to press claims at a starting spot. In 2012 the Panthers saw the emergence of a number of players who will contribute to the 2013 campaign including joint RLPA Rookie of the Year Josh Mansour, Matt Robinson, Adam Docker and Ryan Simpkins
• Success of junior development – 2012 saw significant improvement in the lower grades at the Panthers, including NSW Cup affiliate Windsor Wolves. All grades made the finals and once again showing that there will be competition for spots and a pipeline for emerging stars of the future.
• Tim Grant’s development as a player and leader - Tim Grant's selection in the NSW Origin side really elevated his game to another level this year. Emerging as a future captain in 2014 and beyond, Grant has all the skills and toughness to be one of the best props in the world for years to come.

The Bad
• The constant media turmoil surrounding the club with speculation about player’s futures. It began early in the year with speculation of a number of stars being released or not re-signed such as Michael Jennings, Luke Lewis and Michael Gordon. Ultimately the Panthers did lose two of it's favourite sons in Gordon and Lewis with the speculation on Jennings' future still providing fish and chip shops valuable wrapping paper.
• Penrith's lack of penetration on the fringe was extremely noticeable in a number of games this year. There were countless times where the backrow failed to gain over 100m average per player and not providing opportunities to the outside backs with second phase play. This was seen as a weakness by Gould which led to the signings of Manu and Brown.
• Everyone at the Panthers is well aware of Luke Walsh's playmaking ability when things are going well. In 2012, Walsh was a modern day Jekyll and Hyde leaving fans frustrated and craving consistency. While Walsh did have excuses regarding playing behind a mostly beaten pack, his real test will come in 2013 with a more dominant and impactful pack. Walsh and Coote's partnership towards the end of the year began to flourish and fans would be hoping this combination bears fruit in 2013.
• The Panthers used 33 players in the 2012 campaign, among the most players used in the NRL. Injuries to stars at crucial periods resulted in a disjointed line up along with a lack of consistency. Losing Michael Gordon in Round 1 for the bulk of the season followed by injuries to Tim Grant, Luke Lewis, Michael Jennings & Nathan Smith over extended periods ultimately doomed the Panthers.

Turning point
Round 6 vs Manly – Coming off a heartbreaking loss to Cronulla, the Panthers needed to bounce back against a strong manly team who had injuries of their own with both Stewart brothers not playing. In what could have been a defining game for the Panthers to get their season back on track, the result was a 30-0 drubbing which spiraled the Panthers out of control for the remainder of the year.

2013 player movements
Gains: Sika Manu (Melbourne Storm), Lewis Brown (NZ Warriors), Dean Whare (Manly Sea-Eagles), James Segeyaro (Nth Qld Cowboys), Moises Pangai (Nth Qld Cowboys), Sam Anderson, Ethan Cook, Kyle O’Donnell, Wes Naiqama (Newcastle Knights), James Roberts (South Sydney), Jeremy Latimore (St.George-Illawarra Dragons)
Losses: Luke Lewis, Michael Gordon (Cronulla Sharks), Sandor Earl (Raiders), Nafe Seluini (Roosters), Mitch Achurch (Leeds Rhinos), Travis Burns (Hull KR)
Re-Signed: Blake Austin, Brad Tighe, Luke Walsh, Adam Docker, Matt Robinson

Chances in 2013
The 2013 Panthers line up, at full strength, looks like a good blend of youth and experience. Expect to see some fantastic young players emerge in 2013 with the likes of Matt Moylan and Vaipuna Tia-Kilifi sure to figure prominently in the 2013 season. On top of that, Penrith has managed to secure some good players for 2013 who will greatly improve the impact on the fringe of the ruck including Sika Manu, Lewis Brown and Dean Whare while exciting hooker James Segeyaro will provide spark from the bench.

Depth in 2013 will also be assisted by the amount of players exposed to first grade in 2012 along with acquisitions of emerging players like Kyle O’Donnell and Moises Pangai. Overall, the Panthers of 2013 are showing up to be a step in the right direction for the club with the emergence of some great young talent while strong depth will put the Panthers in a position to be competitive and fighting for the finals.

Best line-up 2013
1. Matthew Moylan
2. Brad Tighe
3. Michael Jennings
4. Dean Whare
5. Josh Mansour
6. Lachlan Coote
7. Luke Walsh
8. Tim Grant c
9. Kevin Kingston c
10. Dayne Weston
11. Sika Manu
12. Lewis Brown
13. Blake Austin
14. James Segeyaro
15. Sam McKendry
16. Clint Newton
17. Matt Robinson



What you guys think?
 

Bob

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Good read as always Mick

Not quite our best side though, I would go with the following

Best line-up 2013
1. James Roberts
2. Wes Naiqama
3. Michael Jennings
4. Dean Whare
5. Josh Mansour
6. Lachlan Coote
7. Luke Walsh
8. Tim Grant c
9. Kevin Kingston c
10. Jeremy Latimore
11. Sika Manu
12. Lewis Brown
13. Adam Docker
14. James Segeyaro
15. Sam McKendry
16. Kyle O’Donnell
17. Matt Robinson
 

Crazy Hazy

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A great article Mick, people will always disagree with the line-up especially when it concerns new players to the club and those yet to play first grade.
"The Bad" brought back things I'd rather forget, particularly my first trip to Brookvale in Rd 6. Shattered!
A good call with the co-captain idea especially when you consider neither are expected to play the full 80 min.

I like Moylan at fullback but it will be telling how IC lines them up for round 1. It will be interesting to see a VTK and Moylan in the trials. Hoping Humble gets a chance to show what he's got also.
 

Big Mick

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Good read as always Mick

Not quite our best side though, I would go with the following

Best line-up 2013
1. James Roberts
2. Wes Naiqama
3. Michael Jennings
4. Dean Whare
5. Josh Mansour
6. Lachlan Coote
7. Luke Walsh
8. Tim Grant c
9. Kevin Kingston c
10. Jeremy Latimore
11. Sika Manu
12. Lewis Brown
13. Adam Docker
14. James Segeyaro
15. Sam McKendry
16. Kyle O?Donnell
17. Matt Robinson

I'd have no drama's with that line up.

Only thing is I really don't rate Latimore as a starting NRL player. Good for depth yeah, but I'd prefer Plum, Weston, O'Donnell, McKendry all over him.

Ideally Clint Newton, Brad Tighe wouldn't be in the line up and James Roberts and Vaipuna Tia-Kilifi would be.

I'd be interested to see where Docker fits in as he was great in the last few weeks.

Blake Austin may find it tough cracking the team next year if Docker kicks on and VTK takes the step everyone hopes he will.
 

maple_69

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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Newton in the side for the first 6-8 weeks. He has big game experience and I thought showed much improved form at the back end of 2012 . Unless of course O'Donnell/VTK are smashing down the door in pre-season.
 

mxlegend99

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My ideal side by mid to late 2013 would be:

1. Matt Moylan
2. James Roberts
3. Michael Jennings
4. Dean Whare
5. Josh Mansour
6. Lachlan Coote
7. Harry Siejka
8. Tim Grant (c)
9. James Segayaro
10. Dayne Weston
11. Sika Manu
12. Matt Robinson
13. Blake Austin

14. Lewis Brown (utility)
15. Adam Docker
16. Vaipuna Tia Kilifi
17. Sam McKendry

The bench and starting second row could be altered a bit without losing much IMO. Got a reasonable amount of depth now and it's just a matter of seeing which players deliver next year.
 

franklin2323

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Good read. Hard to argue with any of the best teams listed. Far better then this years garbage. As I posted elsewhere my top 17:

Moylan
Roberts
Jennings
Whare
Mansour
Coote
Walsh
Grant
Kingston
Plum
Manu
Brown
Austin

Segeyaro
McKendry
Weston
Robinson
 
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PinkPanther

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My ideal side by mid to late 2013 would be:

1. Matt Moylan
2. James Roberts
3. Michael Jennings
4. Dean Whare
5. Josh Mansour
6. Lachlan Coote
7. Harry Siejka
8. Tim Grant (c)
9. James Segayaro
10. Dayne Weston
11. Sika Manu
12. Matt Robinson
13. Blake Austin

14. Lewis Brown (utility)
15. Adam Docker
16. Vaipuna Tia Kilifi
17. Sam McKendry

The bench and starting second row could be altered a bit without losing much IMO. Got a reasonable amount of depth now and it's just a matter of seeing which players deliver next year.
I would be happy if that was the team mid season.
 

rem286

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I'd have no drama's with that line up.

Only thing is I really don't rate Latimore as a starting NRL player. Good for depth yeah, but I'd prefer Plum, Weston, O'Donnell, McKendry all over him.

Ideally Clint Newton, Brad Tighe wouldn't be in the line up and James Roberts and Vaipuna Tia-Kilifi would be.

I'd be interested to see where Docker fits in as he was great in the last few weeks.

Blake Austin may find it tough cracking the team next year if Docker kicks on and VTK takes the step everyone hopes he will.

Have to agree with you on Austin. Unfortunately for him, I think he is going to struggle to cement his position in the 17 unless he really fires early on. Certainly appears to have potential but I didn't see it on the park this year. Like you say, it will really depend on how well some of the other young blokes perform. I want to see how VTK handles the going at the top level. Did VTK end up getting any NRL or NSW Cup time this year? I don't recall seeing him but I missed a few games.
 

maple_69

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VTK did not. It was disappointing. Plenty of time for him though. I imagine he'll get the same treatment Robinson received this year. A few games early on, spend a bit of time in Windsor, back around Origin and we'll see him really grasp a spot in the last couple months.

So we can all agree the below spots should be a lock barring injuries with the other positions basically a shitfight between numerous players all in the running.
1. Moylan
2. Mansour
3. Jennings
4. Whare

6. Coote
7. Walsh
8. Grant
9. Kingston

11. Manu
12. Brown

14. Segeyaro
15. Mckendry
16. Robinson
 

franklin2323

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Given most of have the same core side. Time to discuss other factors in that 17. I want Segeyaro getting atleast 40mins. Another is Robinson I liked him on the left inside Jennings. Do we play Manu on the right, Brown at lock when he comes on? Or if Austin doesn't start as well as I hope he will?
 

Fibroman

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Very well written Mick.

I think Austin will come good in 2013, ala Wade Graham at the Sharks. As he gets older he will toughen up and get stronger and be a handful as a ball playing backrower.
 

franklin2323

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Grant & Kingston co-captains I would assume. Given Walsh was in the leadership group last year So he take the reins when they are off?? I would rather Brown be 3rd in line.

Walsh needs to find consistancy over the off-season. Him at his best is very good better then any we have now or in the system. The problem is the other 20 odd games. If he can get to 10 or under bad games we will make the 8
 

Luke Bowden

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I'm predicting a very big year for Austin and Coote! I think something special is brewing at the foot of the mountains!!!
 

maple_69

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Given most of have the same core side. Time to discuss other factors in that 17. I want Segeyaro getting atleast 40mins. Another is Robinson I liked him on the left inside Jennings. Do we play Manu on the right, Brown at lock when he comes on? Or if Austin doesn't start as well as I hope he will?

Agree Seg should get the last 20 mins of each half. Kingston will do all the dirty work in defence and I think he still has a role to play in this regard.

I think Robinson for the time being is best suited to an impact bench role. We could potentially station Manu on the left and replace him with Robinson for the middle 30/40 minutes. Brown and Austin (or whoever ends up at lock) are capable of playing 80 so that leaves us with plenty of interchanges for a 4 prop rotation.
 

franklin2323

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Yeah. I think Austin or Smith should start the year at lock. As long as Robinson comes on the left late in the game we should go well
 

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