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Suitman

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Parra Leagues Hotel development has been submitted.
The little house stays!!

Parramatta Leagues Club Hotel

DA on exhibition..

Construction of a 17 storey hotel comprising 209 hotel rooms, one basement level for services,
ancillary uses including a pool, gym, cafe, bars and function room on lower 4 levels.
Pool/Fitness and Wellness Centre.

Vehicular access from Connell Street.

Architecture, Urban Design, Landscape HASSELL

No additional parking is proposed, with parking to be accommodated in the adjoining large carpark, which provides parking for 773 cars.

The 4-star equivalent hotel is intended to be run and managed by the Parramatta Leagues Club (PLC).

However, this will obviously be reviewed over time, and if not the PLC, the entity will report to PLC.

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.go...ob&job_id=8800

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Gronk

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Parra Leagues Hotel development has been submitted.
The little house stays!!

Parramatta Leagues Club Hotel

DA on exhibition..

Construction of a 17 storey hotel comprising 209 hotel rooms, one basement level for services,
ancillary uses including a pool, gym, cafe, bars and function room on lower 4 levels.
Pool/Fitness and Wellness Centre.

Vehicular access from Connell Street.

Architecture, Urban Design, Landscape HASSELL

No additional parking is proposed, with parking to be accommodated in the adjoining large carpark, which provides parking for 773 cars.

The 4-star equivalent hotel is intended to be run and managed by the Parramatta Leagues Club (PLC).

However, this will obviously be reviewed over time, and if not the PLC, the entity will report to PLC.

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.go...ob&job_id=8800

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Cool. I thought some merkin on here said that the Hotel was going to be over at Eels Place ?

The Gatehouse is quite an unremarkable little property TBH compared to much of the heritage buildings in the immediate precinct. She just looks like a typical 40’s house they knock down every day in West Ryde.
 
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Cool. I thought some merkin on here said that the Hotel was going to be over at Eels Place ?

The Gatehouse is quite an unremarkable little property TBH compared to much of the heritage buildings in the immediate precinct. She just looks like a typical 40’s house they knock down every day in West Ryde.

I'm not the merkin (this time) but originally the hotel was earmarked for Eels Place. There was also talk of demolishing the two unit blocks on the corner which the club owns to create more space for it.
 

Delboy

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Wests Leagues in Newcastle runs a hotel onsite, it has proved to be very attractive and a big source of income. If it is run correctly it will attract a lot of reps and business travellers as they will have plenty of facilities close by.

I used it at least once a month on business trips, and it was regularly full. Hosted a number of business meals and training functions there, mind you it's only 3 levels and around 140 rooms, handily called The Executive Inn. Should be a valuable asset.
 

Gronk

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Id say the little house/gatehouse block would be used for future club expansion.

FYI it’s known as Ross Street Gatehouse and is noted in the Ministers SEPP for North Parramatta.

“Within the Sports and Leisure Precinct the only standing building of particular heritage significance is the Ross Street Gatehouse, which replaced the original gatehouse known as ‘Mud Lodge’ in 1935.”

https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/-/m...rea-assessment-report-appendicies-a-to-d.ashx

It is owned by the Trust who are noted as the Lesses in their Annual Report.

https://www.parrapark.com.au/assets.../Parra-Park-Trust-Annual-Report-2011-2012.pdf

This is a good read about the History of Parramatta Park. Ping @Suitman

https://parrapark.com.au/assets/Upl.../PPT-s170-Heritage-and-Con-Register-FINAL.pdf
 

hindy111

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Cool. I thought some merkin on here said that the Hotel was going to be over at Eels Place ?

The Gatehouse is quite an unremarkable little property TBH compared to much of the heritage buildings in the immediate precinct. She just looks like a typical 40’s house they knock down every day in West Ryde.

Find some tradie Gronk? Another tip leave for cooler months. Tradies will charge more in hot weather
 

hindy111

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Parra Leagues Hotel development has been submitted.
The little house stays!!

Parramatta Leagues Club Hotel

DA on exhibition..

Construction of a 17 storey hotel comprising 209 hotel rooms, one basement level for services,
ancillary uses including a pool, gym, cafe, bars and function room on lower 4 levels.
Pool/Fitness and Wellness Centre.

Vehicular access from Connell Street.

Architecture, Urban Design, Landscape HASSELL

No additional parking is proposed, with parking to be accommodated in the adjoining large carpark, which provides parking for 773 cars.

The 4-star equivalent hotel is intended to be run and managed by the Parramatta Leagues Club (PLC).

However, this will obviously be reviewed over time, and if not the PLC, the entity will report to PLC.

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.go...ob&job_id=8800

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Which one is Avengers house?
 

Gronk

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New hotel gets a mention in this Opal Tower spray.

Welcome to the Faulty Towers state, where any mug's an engineer

I’m sorry, run that by me again? We don’t require engineers to be licensed, qualified or registered? So the hundreds of shonky-looking resi-towers newly metastasising across our city don’t just look like slums-in-waiting but may have no structural or fire integrity to speak of because anyone, including my great aunt Cecily’s dog Tozer, can sign their engineering certificates. Seriously?

Tuesday’s interim report on the twice-evacuated Opal tower, by engineering professors Hoffman, Cart and Foster, tells us the building is structurally sound, in that it (probably) won’t fall down, but has major damage. Two causes are pinpointed: faulty design, using lower-than-required safety factors, and poor construction, deviating from both design and good practice.

The building, as you know, is pretty ornery to look at. A green glass faceted triangle far taller than any neighbours, its look of soulless oppression is relieved only by a number of tall “slots” or “vertical gardens”, walled in six-storey pre-cast load-bearing concrete. It’s in these walls, and the beams supporting them, that the damage has principally occurred.

But what’s fascinating about this appalling concatenation of errors and deceits is the degree to which it is systemic. We don’t know how widespread building disasters are because no-one is collecting data, but as the UNSW City Futures Research Institute recently wrote, our “system allowing defective apartment buildings” creates huge social and economic risks for the new compact city.

In our world, building is driven by profit. Beneath that, three systems intersect: legal, planning and engineering. If I owned a new Sydney apartment – which thank God I don’t – all three would be keeping me awake at night.

One, the legal situation. Although Opal may not collapse, the hundreds of owners currently embarking on a “no win no fee” class action may yet wish it had. At least then they’d be covered.

You buy an apartment trusting it to be sound, waterproof and safe. But the odds heavily are against you. Not only do studies show that almost three-quarters of apartment buildings have owner-reported defects (the figure rises to 85 per cent for buildings built after 2000) but the owners’ capacity to claim against the builder/developer is restricted to near-futility.

In 2015, amendments to the NSW Home Building Act reduced the standard seven-year liability period to six years for “major” defects – defined as a fault in a major element such as a roof or load-bearing structure that prevents a building being lived in – and a mere two years for everything else. Ostensibly, this was about reducing red tape, but those with a mere hundred-litre stormwater dam in their living room or a rotting front door had better be quick.

Any boom encourages fly-by-night developers, tempting them with quick bucks to employ underqualified and inexperienced architects, builders and subbies, who are more available and cheaper. Look around. Anyone with half an architectural eye can see defects everywhere – roof, window, balustrade and wall-capping details that invite water entry; structural sizings that are self-evidently inadequate; stuck-on plastic claddings. Such defects are often "latent" – which is to say they may not
present for years and may take further years to diagnose. At least if your building collapses you have six years, not two.

Even so, your chances of legal remedy are remote. The 2014 High Court finding in the case of Brookfield Multiplex v Owners Corporation Strata Plan followed serious defects in a Chatswood resi-tower. The High Court found that, even with a building rendered uninhabitable, the developer-builder owed no duty of care to purchasers, who apparently should have been able to negotiate protections into their original contract. This, combined with the excruciating cost of litigation, helps explain why so few such cases go to court and why, although it’s manifestly unfair, most owners end up footing ongoing rectification costs themselves.

Then there’s the planning system. Opal Tower, designed by Bates Smart, looks cheap. It wasn’t, a one-bedroom apartment selling off the plan for $720K, but it has the mean, undernourished look of the badly detailed and existentially insecure. So I was staggered to learn both that it had been approved as a State Significant Development and had achieved several storeys over the local height limit due to “design excellence”.

State Significant? Design Excellence? How could a private residential tower amid a record building boom be state significant? And how could a nasty concoction of green glass and faceted spandrels be “design excellence”? The answer lies wedged into the chasm between rhetoric and motive.

SSD pretends to stop cowboy councils playing silly buggers with development but actually delivers the unfettered ministerial discretion necessary for rampant cronyism. With no requirement for ministers to justify the “state significant” designation, SSD enables an asset-stripping government to slide all crown and public lands under its own jurisdiction, then frantically up-zone for maximum profit.

Right now, this includes the Bays Precinct, Darling Harbour, Honeysuckle, Luna Park, Fox Studios, Taronga, Redfern-Waterloo, Barangaroo, the Rocks, the 17-storey Parramatta Eels hotel now proposed on crown land at Parramatta Park and – surprise – Olympic Park.


A developer need only propose something sufficiently gargantuan on public land and, presto! – straight to Minister Lunchalot. Said minister, if questioned, will likely point to the “Design Excellence” process that purports to ensure such outsize buildings are at least well designed. Except, well, Opal.

But by far the scariest of this week’s Opal revelations is the fact that – excepting Queensland – Australia’s engineers are entirely unregulated. Engineers Australia is the professional body. “Anyone can claim to be an engineer, provide engineering services and use it in their marketing without any regulation,” its website says. The only register is voluntary. If EA strikes someone off for shonky practice, they can self-resurrect the next day, no questions asked.

This is nuts. Engineers – fire, structural and civil – we trust with our lives. In boom situations, where local firms are routinely swallowed by international conglomerates (such as WSP which engineered Opal), where the market is flooded with shonky materials and practices are self-certified, unregulated engineering makes sense like unregulated brain surgery. Welcome to Faulty Towers.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/wel...re-any-mug-s-an-engineer-20190117-p50s14.html
 

Twizzle

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well that guy has an agenda, should have done more research before blowing his trumpet

criticising the appearance is subjective but not a reason to criticise its development approval
 

amitropo

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Was told today that by the 3rd week of February, the stadium has to be “Practically operational”.
That means Turf, sprinklers, drainage, roof, amenities, corporate facilities, eating outlets etc up and running ready for testing etc.
Rest of time before hand over is for fine tuning, touch ups etc.
No doubt there will be plenty on F’ups to fine tune and fix.
Many 7 day 12 hour shifts coming up. For those on site.
A lot of work still to be done by the above deadline.
 

Suitman

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well that guy has an agenda, should have done more research before blowing his trumpet

criticising the appearance is subjective but not a reason to criticise its development approval


It's actually Elizabeth Farrelly. She is a regular columnist in the SMH and is anti f**king everything development wise.
In real life, Opal Tower is actually quite a stunning looking building - IMO.
The same developers of Opal Tower are currently building another tower just up the street.
Boomerang is equally impressive.

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Suitman

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Was told today that by the 3rd week of February, the stadium has to be “Practically operational”.
That means Turf, sprinklers, drainage, roof, amenities, corporate facilities, eating outlets etc up and running ready for testing etc.
Rest of time before hand over is for fine tuning, touch ups etc.
No doubt there will be plenty on F’ups to fine tune and fix.
Many 7 day 12 hour shifts coming up. For those on site.
A lot of work still to be done by the above deadline.

Cheers @amitropo
I was down there a couple of Sundays ago and I was amazed at how much work still has to be done externally, although, landscaping etc..... can happen very quickly, as I've noticed locally with the metro stations around the Hills District.
 

ash411

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Cheers @amitropo
I was down there a couple of Sundays ago and I was amazed at how much work still has to be done externally, although, landscaping etc..... can happen very quickly, as I've noticed locally with the metro stations around the Hills District.
I imagine all the exterior landscaping and "decorative" stuff will be last on the list, as they will want to have all the heavy machinery out of the way before making the joint all pretty, otherwise when they move all that out they'll wreck the grass & stuff...
 
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