Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Well inflation hasn't been a problem for the past decade. We are whinging about this year aren't we?

 

[Gronk]

Well inflation hasn't been a problem for the past decade. We are whinging about this year aren't we?

GFC and covid are termed "Black Swan" events by economists. Unforeseen speed humps.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Is it possible they are increasing in frequency? The author of the Black Swan seemed to think so and cited technology and globalisation as the drivers. Look at the very recent Crowdstrike outage. This cloud security product is considered best practice for businesses that want to outsource much of their risk management, and it's become a widespread single point of failure. Expect more of this in the future as things are increasingly centralised. In short, what is a 'black swan event' to the turkey is no surprise to the butcher. Don't be the turkey.

 

[Suitman]

Lol.

 

[Delboy]

Lol.


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The hypocrisy of Labor, open the metro and others with statements like a this is a wonderful game changing achievement for Sydney, at the time opposing all of the infrastructure projects whilst in opposition .Even now pulling back on some things.

Minns chosen to lead due to his smooth personae, unfortunately beneath the veneer it’s still the same party political machine .

 

[Suitman]

The hypocrisy of Labor, open the metro and others with statements like a this is a wonderful game changing achievement for Sydney, at the time opposing all of the infrastructure projects whilst in opposition .Even now pulling back on some things.

Minns chosen to lead due to his smooth personae, unfortunately beneath the veneer it’s still the same party political machine .

And no party is any better than the other tbh. "Your" party is no better. They are equally hypocritical.
For the majority of my life, I have been a Labor voter, but not always recently. I prefer to vote for the party that I think will do the best for the state or country.
However, I will always call out bullshit when I see it. This is one such case. This line would never have been built under Labor because it does not have drivers and guards. Simple. Yet it is the latest in railway technology, the likes of which world cities like Paris and London and others are building.
I'm glad the Libs saw the light (mainly Gladys) and brought Sydney into the 21st century for suburban rail infrastructure.

 

[Gronk]

 

[Gronk]

The underground link to the airport, Sydney Gateway, is opening soon. Locals are urged to use the virtual video thingy to familiarise themselves with routes.

We have been getting letterbox drops.

Date revealed for Sydney Airport 'gateway' opening, with drivers urged to practise

The Minns government releases animated virtual drive-through videos of the Sydney Gateway, which links the M8 and St Peters interchange with the domestic and international airport terminals.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Suitman]

The underground link to the airport, Sydney Gateway, is opening soon. Locals are urged to use the virtual video thingy to familiarise themselves with routes.

We have been getting letterbox drops.

Date revealed for Sydney Airport 'gateway' opening, with drivers urged to practise

The Minns government releases animated virtual drive-through videos of the Sydney Gateway, which links the M8 and St Peters interchange with the domestic and international airport terminals.

www.abc.net.au

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I'm pretty sure none of it is underground.

 

[Gronk]

I'm pretty sure none of it is underground.

All the more reason for idiots like me to drive it virtually?

 

[Suitman]

Unfortunately, Labor have already kyboshed the idea.
Minn's comments are curious because the proposer of this line, ALTRAC (who currently run L1, 2 and 3) were going to fund the whole project.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ng-light-rail-takes-root-20240627-p5jpd2.html

NSW Transport Minister Jo Haylen this week said the government was focused on delivering better bus priority on Parramatta Road – despite having rubbished a similar proposal from the previous government in a 2016 speech.

In that speech, she said Parramatta Road was the “perfect place” for light rail and dubbed rapid-transit bus services a mistake.

Similarly to the plan put forward this week, she suggested light rail could run from Strathfield to Central Station and connect with existing services in the inner west.

“If we want Parramatta Road to be more than a characterless, polluting, noisy, log-jammed road that divides the inner west in two, then light rail is the answer,” Haylen said at the time.

Labor did not take the Parramatta Road light rail proposal to the 2023 poll, nor was it an election commitment.

NSW Premier Chris Minns rejected the proposal at an Urban Development Institute of Australia luncheon on Thursday, citing the cost of transport infrastructure.


NSW Transport Minister Jo Haylen this week said the government was focused on delivering better bus priority on Parramatta Road – despite having rubbished a similar proposal from the previous government in a 2016 speech.

In that speech, she said Parramatta Road was the “perfect place” for light rail and dubbed rapid-transit bus services a mistake.

Similarly to the plan put forward this week, she suggested light rail could run from Strathfield to Central Station and connect with existing services in the inner west.

“If we want Parramatta Road to be more than a characterless, polluting, noisy, log-jammed road that divides the inner west in two, then light rail is the answer,” Haylen said at the time.

Labor did not take the Parramatta Road light rail proposal to the 2023 poll, nor was it an election commitment.

NSW Premier Chris Minns rejected the proposal at an Urban Development Institute of Australia luncheon on Thursday, citing the cost of transport infrastructure.

NSW Transport Minister Jo Haylen this week said the government was focused on delivering better bus priority on Parramatta Road – despite having rubbished a similar proposal from the previous government in a 2016 speech.

In that speech, she said Parramatta Road was the “perfect place” for light rail and dubbed rapid-transit bus services a mistake.

Similarly to the plan put forward this week, she suggested light rail could run from Strathfield to Central Station and connect with existing services in the inner west.

“If we want Parramatta Road to be more than a characterless, polluting, noisy, log-jammed road that divides the inner west in two, then light rail is the answer,” Haylen said at the time.

Labor did not take the Parramatta Road light rail proposal to the 2023 poll, nor was it an election commitment.

NSW Premier Chris Minns rejected the proposal at an Urban Development Institute of Australia luncheon on Thursday, citing the cost of transport infrastructure.

 

[Gronk]

Unfortunately, Labor have already kyboshed the idea.
Minn's comments are curious because the proposer of this line, ALTRAC (who currently run L1, 2 and 3) were going to fund the whole project.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ng-light-rail-takes-root-20240627-p5jpd2.html

NSW Transport Minister Jo Haylen this week said the government was focused on delivering better bus priority on Parramatta Road – despite having rubbished a similar proposal from the previous government in a 2016 speech.

In that speech, she said Parramatta Road was the “perfect place” for light rail and dubbed rapid-transit bus services a mistake.

Similarly to the plan put forward this week, she suggested light rail could run from Strathfield to Central Station and connect with existing services in the inner west.

“If we want Parramatta Road to be more than a characterless, polluting, noisy, log-jammed road that divides the inner west in two, then light rail is the answer,” Haylen said at the time.

Labor did not take the Parramatta Road light rail proposal to the 2023 poll, nor was it an election commitment.

NSW Premier Chris Minns rejected the proposal at an Urban Development Institute of Australia luncheon on Thursday, citing the cost of transport infrastructure.


NSW Transport Minister Jo Haylen this week said the government was focused on delivering better bus priority on Parramatta Road – despite having rubbished a similar proposal from the previous government in a 2016 speech.

In that speech, she said Parramatta Road was the “perfect place” for light rail and dubbed rapid-transit bus services a mistake.

Similarly to the plan put forward this week, she suggested light rail could run from Strathfield to Central Station and connect with existing services in the inner west.

“If we want Parramatta Road to be more than a characterless, polluting, noisy, log-jammed road that divides the inner west in two, then light rail is the answer,” Haylen said at the time.

Labor did not take the Parramatta Road light rail proposal to the 2023 poll, nor was it an election commitment.

NSW Premier Chris Minns rejected the proposal at an Urban Development Institute of Australia luncheon on Thursday, citing the cost of transport infrastructure.

NSW Transport Minister Jo Haylen this week said the government was focused on delivering better bus priority on Parramatta Road – despite having rubbished a similar proposal from the previous government in a 2016 speech.

In that speech, she said Parramatta Road was the “perfect place” for light rail and dubbed rapid-transit bus services a mistake.

Similarly to the plan put forward this week, she suggested light rail could run from Strathfield to Central Station and connect with existing services in the inner west.

“If we want Parramatta Road to be more than a characterless, polluting, noisy, log-jammed road that divides the inner west in two, then light rail is the answer,” Haylen said at the time.

Labor did not take the Parramatta Road light rail proposal to the 2023 poll, nor was it an election commitment.

NSW Premier Chris Minns rejected the proposal at an Urban Development Institute of Australia luncheon on Thursday, citing the cost of transport infrastructure.

TBH the only concerns I had for the Parramatta Road proposal from Petersham to Central, is how would Parramatta Road cope with trams down the centre. Out my way, Anzac Parade is fine because it never really took much traffic anyway and it seems quite wider than Parramatta Rd. Parramatta Road Ashfield through to Broadway is always super busy.

 

[Suitman]

TBH the only concerns I had for the Parramatta Road proposal from Petersham to Central, is how would Parramatta Road cope with trams down the centre. Out my way, Anzac Parade is fine because it never really took much traffic anyway and it seems quite wider than Parramatta Rd. Parramatta Road Ashfield through to Broadway is always super busy.

They are fair concerns, and that is what many of the opponents to this project are claiming. (not saying you are one of them)

Just a few points though.

- L2 and L3 have been a raging success and are predicted to reach forecast patronage levels years ahead of schedule. So, light rail is indeed popular.
- Pretty much all of George st is now traffic free and what an amazing transformation that has been for the city centre. It too used to be a traffic sewer. We can already also see the benefits of removing traffic from Church st in Parramatta.
- Parramatta rd is an embarrassment to this city. Its revitalisation has been discussed for decades, yet nothing has ever been done to improve it. I'm sure you've seen how many dilapidated buildings are along there, not to mention the multitude of "For Lease" signs and empty businesses. Having polluted 6 lanes of traffic has actually been detrimental for Parramatta Rd and is primarily the reason why it is still in its current state.
- Along all the new Light Rail lines, the transformation has been extraordinary. Wider well paved footpaths with an abundance of street planting and new lighting providing a safer and more pleasant environment for pedestrians. On the whole, businesses are thriving due to the increased pedestrian traffic.
- With Westconnex now completed, there is an alternative to Parramatta Rd for travel to the city. If you don't like paying tolls, then reconsider your travel options and maybe take public transport. It's environmentally far cleaner than 6 lanes of exhaust emitting vehicles, generally reliable and pretty cheap tbh, particularly with the weekly cap on opal fares.
- Taverners Hill to Broadway is arguably the worst part of Parramatta Rd, although Burwood to Church St is pretty shite as well. Developers would be jumping on board to provide the housing to meet Chris Minns targets for housing supply along this stretch of road if there was Light Rail.
- At the other end of this proposed line, Green Square and Zetland would also benefit. The population density is crazy at the moment and still increasing at an amazing rate with high rise developments going up everywhere. Current transport during peak periods is already at crush capacity on the airport rail line and buses.


There would be and are so many positives that would come from this proposal. It is quite disappointing that it was dismissed so quickly by Minns and Haylen in the article I posted above.
If ever there was ever a corridor ripe for another light rail line, this one is it.

The next priority would be something up Oxford St, then along Syd Einfield Drive to Bondi Junction and then down Bondi Rd to the beach. It's pretty shameful that access to one of Australia's most iconic big city tourist destinations via public transport is only by a slow bus.

 

[bazza]

TBH the only concerns I had for the Parramatta Road proposal from Petersham to Central, is how would Parramatta Road cope with trams down the centre. Out my way, Anzac Parade is fine because it never really took much traffic anyway and it seems quite wider than Parramatta Rd. Parramatta Road Ashfield through to Broadway is always super busy.

they have just built a motorway that means less cars should have to use parramatta road

George Street used to be super busy before they put the tram in. Usually with buses and cars going nowhere

 

[EelEtric]

It is way more shameful that in the 60's they removed what they are now needing to implement.

 

[Suitman]

It is way more shameful that in the 60's they removed what they are now needing to implement.

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Indeed.
Labor removed our whole tram system, one of the largest in the world, in favour of cars and buses.
Now that we know how beneficial it can be, they are refusing to restore it. In favour of more cars and buses.
Go figure!
If only we had that tram system now. Wow!

 

[Suitman]

All the more reason for idiots like me to drive it virtually?

And, here you go dude. The virtual videos.
They are pretty cool!
Forget the tunnel segments, they are not part of the Sydney Gateway project.
Scoll down to see the vids, although I assume from your location you'd only ever get an Uber to the airport or drive and park.

Opening and Traffic Changes | Sydney Gateway | Transport for NSW (RMS)

NSW - About the Sydney Gateway - Your toll-free connection from St Peters Interchange to the International and Domestic Terminals and beyond.

caportal.com.au

 

[Suitman]

8 Phillip st will be the most stunning tower in Parra when complete. Some recent photos.

 

[the phantom menace]

Indeed.
Labor removed our whole tram system, one of the largest in the world, in favour of cars and buses.
Now that we know how beneficial it can be, they are refusing to restore it. In favour of more cars and buses.
Go figure!
If only we had that tram system now. Wow!

Just a question, for my historical education... were the Liberal Party of NSW in agreement with the decisions of the 1950 while in opposition, or where they actively saying the trams should be retained?

Labor were in power in NSW for 24 years from the middle of WW2, just wondering whether there are any sources that the Liberal policy re trams would have been any different at the time?

 

[the phantom menace]

Here's the only source I could (quickly) find, which suggests the view on trams at the time was commonly held and not "politicised"...

Erased from history: how Sydney destroyed its trams for love of the car

As the city prepares to open a new line built at vast expense, the decision to get rid of trams in the 1950s looks more questionable than ever

www.theguardian.com