Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

[Suitman]

Got to have an early look into WSI recently. Terminal largely done. Quite an impressive building.

Lucky you!
I have a question.
From videos I've seen, the departures and check-in area looks rather small.
Is this the case, or do videos not do it justice?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Lucky you!
I have a question.
From videos I've seen, the departures and check-in area looks rather small.
Is this the case, or do videos not do it justice?

Videos are pretty accurate. They are on the smallish side.

I really like the sandstone finishes, but it’s probably overdone and they could have had a few other areas that were a bit different in style.

Feels premium though and much nicer than all of the outdated capital city airports.

 

[Suitman]

Videos are pretty accurate. They are on the smallish side.

I really like the sandstone finishes, but it’s probably overdone and they could have had a few other areas that were a bit different in style.

Feels premium though and much nicer than all of the outdated capital city airports.

I figured as much from the vids.
I just hope that in 5 - 10 years' time it's not struggling, where just another billion or so now could have already solved that. It'll cost so much more to fix it in the future.
Just like the M7, that is now costing a bomb to add extra lanes due to short-sightedness in planning. The M2, M4 and M5 all suffered the same fate and went through the same costly upgrades.
Thank goodness the underground WestConnex was built with decades of capacity - 5 lanes wide in parts.

 

[hindy111]

SYD (Kingsford Smith) is always increasing flights and still has capacity to do so. It certainly won't mean a reduction in flights to there.
As Gary said, its capacity is limited due to no further room for expansion and the overnight curfew.
SYD will always be Sydney's major international AP, however, what WSI does is open up so much more opportunity for western Sydney (population 2 million+) to travel. There will absolutely be increased demand for travel.
For example, if the bro's in Penrith want to visit family in Auckland, via Jetstar, they aren't going to travel all the way to SYD when they can catch a train a short distance Badgery's Creek.
What WSI (Western Sydney International - aka Nancy Bird-Walton) will do is initially offer competitively priced flights to SE Asia and the South Pacific/NZ, a large market from the local demographic. It will then expand from there into other markets like the Sub-Continent and China/Philippine's etc.

The long-term advantage that WSI has over SYD is that there is major room for massive expansion and the fact is has 24 hour operations.
Expansion to up to 80 million passengers a year, which SYD doesn't have the opportunity or capability.
This is why we needed a 2nd airport.

As you said in another post, freight will certainly be a huge part of the success of the initial opening.
It will take time - maybe 50 years - for this airport to reach its massive potential.
That is why it was so important to get the transport infrastructure (well, some of it) built now. That will massively help the development of Bradfield and surrounding areas.

Lastly, the most important three projects that should be in the pipeline are metro extensions to the City West Metro, from Westmead to the WSI Airport, the extension of the current WSI Metro line to Leppington and Campbelltown, and the extension of the current M1 Metro line from Tallawong to Schofields and then on to St Mary's to link with the WSI line.
Those 3 lines would connect all parts of Sydney to the new airport and were in current planning 3 years ago.
Unfortunately, they have all been cancelled as per the table above.

There is a station going in near my parents. It's all farmland. We aren't happy about it at all tbh. They are going to ruin the area unfortunately. It's one of the nicest area in Western Sydney. Beautiful hills, wildlife, 2mins from m4 ramp, 5 mins from Nepean hospital.
I think developing places like Schofields is fine. It is kind of ugly land.
Makes me sick to think they are going to turn it into units and ugly Oran Park style housing.

 

[Suitman]

There is a station going in near my parents. It's all farmland. We aren't happy about it at all tbh. They are going to ruin the area unfortunately. It's one of the nicest area in Western Sydney. Beautiful hills, wildlife, 2mins from m4 ramp, 5 mins from Nepean hospital.
I think developing places like Schofields is fine. It is kind of ugly land.
Makes me sick to think they are going to turn it into units and ugly Oran Park style housing.

It's all farmland at the moment as you say. I agree. Beautiful farmland. I'm sure your family is not happy and I get it.
However, so was Schofields and places like Oakville and Box Hill. Even Rouse Hill. I'm not sure why you think the latter was ugly and ripe for development, yet your parents' area should be untouched?
It's sad that they cannot live out their lives on their family land and reach the M4 in 2 minutes (lol) yet it will absolutely be developed eventually, probably sooner rather than later. It might not be their choice, but they will and should do very well out of it.
I completely feel their plight; however, we live in a big city and things change and grow over time.
An airport has just been built nearby. It has been on the agenda as a possibility for decades and now it is a reality.

PS. It's weird that your reply did not address one issue of my reply to your original post. You just went on a strange rant about your family. Oh well.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I figured as much from the vids.
I just hope that in 5 - 10 years' time it's not struggling, where just another billion or so now could have already solved that. It'll cost so much more to fix it in the future.
Just like the M7, that is now costing a bomb to add extra lanes due to short-sightedness in planning. The M2, M4 and M5 all suffered the same fate and went through the same costly upgrades.
Thank goodness the underground WestConnex was built with decades of capacity - 5 lanes wide in parts.

I think that's quite possible tbh.

I get that budget is an issue but I feel that they could have lowered the spec and focused on ensuring it has capacity. Also, if it becomes private at some stage I don't see a future operator developing additional buildings with the same costly materials (unless Government stipulate it as part of a transfer). That sandstone would have cost a fortune!

I think most people want shit that is reliable and works rather than something that is nice to look at. Ideally, you get both but that isn't always possible.

I found it interesting that there is no control tower at the airport which is a first in Australia. It will all be done remotely from a data centre in Eastern Creek.

Western Sydney International won't have an air traffic control tower. Here's how it'll operate

Air traffic controllers at Western Sydney Airport won't look out a control tower window to a busy tarmac. Instead, 20-high resolution cameras will beam real-time vision of each aeroplane to a digitised control centre 20 kilometres away from the action.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Gary Gutful]

There is a station going in near my parents. It's all farmland. We aren't happy about it at all tbh. They are going to ruin the area unfortunately. It's one of the nicest area in Western Sydney. Beautiful hills, wildlife, 2mins from m4 ramp, 5 mins from Nepean hospital.
I think developing places like Schofields is fine. It is kind of ugly land.
Makes me sick to think they are going to turn it into units and ugly Oran Park style housing.

Plenty of nice farmland outside of Sydney that's probably a lot cheaper. I'd rather see a growing city build the infrastructure it needs. Most people living in the greater Sydney area want good transport, hospitals, schools etc and don't really care about farmland.

 

[hindy111]

Plenty of nice farmland outside of Sydney that's probably a lot cheaper. I'd rather see a growing city build the infrastructure it needs. Most people living in the greater Sydney area want good transport, hospitals, schools etc and don't really care about farmland.

What about the prickly pears ffs.

 

[Gary Gutful]

What about the prickly pears ffs.

Bulldoze the lot of 'em.

 

[Suitman]

I think that's quite possible tbh.

I get that budget is an issue but I feel that they could have lowered the spec and focused on ensuring it has capacity. Also, if it becomes private at some stage I don't see a future operator developing additional buildings with the same costly materials (unless Government stipulate it as part of a transfer). That sandstone would have cost a fortune!

I think most people want shit that is reliable and works rather than something that is nice to look at. Ideally, you get both but that isn't always possible.

I found it interesting that there is no control tower at the airport which is a first in Australia. It will all be done remotely from a data centre in Eastern Creek.

Western Sydney International won't have an air traffic control tower. Here's how it'll operate

Air traffic controllers at Western Sydney Airport won't look out a control tower window to a busy tarmac. Instead, 20-high resolution cameras will beam real-time vision of each aeroplane to a digitised control centre 20 kilometres away from the action.

www.abc.net.au

Fog is a massive issue in Western Sydney. It occasionally closes SYD in the east.
This won't be an issue with the new remote control tower at WSI.

 

[the phantom menace]

Plenty of nice farmland outside of Sydney that's probably a lot cheaper. I'd rather see a growing city build the infrastructure it needs. Most people living in the greater Sydney area want good transport, hospitals, schools etc and don't really care about farmland.

I'd agree and even say good transport, hospitals and schools are a need for a city of Sydney's size and growth, rather than a want.

And that's coming from someone who moved away from the growing megalopolis and personally enjoys being surrounded by space and land more than by infrastructure.

 

[bazza]

There is a station going in near my parents. It's all farmland. We aren't happy about it at all tbh. They are going to ruin the area unfortunately. It's one of the nicest area in Western Sydney. Beautiful hills, wildlife, 2mins from m4 ramp, 5 mins from Nepean hospital.
I think developing places like Schofields is fine. It is kind of ugly land.
Makes me sick to think they are going to turn it into units and ugly Oran Park style housing.

should keep farmland close to amenities like rail, roads and hospitals and build more houses in places like Oran Park that have nothing

 

[hindy111]

should keep farmland close to amenities like rail, roads and hospitals and build more houses in places like Oran Park that have nothing

Nobody mentioned they/ I don't agree with it.
You can not be happy about something but also agree it is the correct decision and makes sense which is the case.

 

[Avenger]

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[T.S Quint]

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That looks fantastic.
Would be interested to see what it’s like inside the club as well.

 

[Suitman]

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Hi mate, there's a separate thread for the Leagues Club renovations.

https://forums.leagueunlimited.com/threads/parramatta-leagues-club-proposed-redevelopment.494519/

 

[Avenger]

Apologies

 

[Suitman]

Apologies

All good.

 

[Suitman]

Wow!
Labor - champions of the environment eh?
Zero $$ planned for rail infrastructure but let's keep building pollution inducing road infrastructure.
Sure, there needs to be improvements in road infrastructure in the south-west, particularly with the amount of development planned, yet there should at least be a balance or better still, investment in favour of better public transport.
Well, nope. Not on their watch.

The magnificent seven: Plan for widening of the seven key road arteries in Sydney’s expanding south west revealed

Seven major road corridors in Sydney’s rapidly growing south-west have been identified for future upgrades under a $65 million joint planning initiative by the Australian and New South Wales governments.

www.nsw.gov.au

 

[RealdEel]

I figured as much from the vids.
I just hope that in 5 - 10 years' time it's not struggling, where just another billion or so now could have already solved that. It'll cost so much more to fix it in the future.
Just like the M7, that is now costing a bomb to add extra lanes due to short-sightedness in planning. The M2, M4 and M5 all suffered the same fate and went through the same costly upgrades.
Thank goodness the underground WestConnex was built with decades of capacity - 5 lanes wide in parts.

It's very small compared to even Sydney airport because both International and domestic are in the same location.. The thing is though it's not an airport like Dubai or Singapore where you will spend hours waiting for the next international flight. It's a turn up get on and go airport.

The plan is/was in another 20 years to build a second terminal and runway basically a mirror of the first. Which as you have said will probably be triple the price it is now..

It's also going to be sold off as all airports do.