Parra's captaincy part of the problem?

[Azkatro]

Currently, Parramatta runs hot and cold like no other team in the comp, and have done for years. When they're on, everything looks great because they have one of the most talented teams in the comp. But why they keep persisting with lazy, disinterested players is beyond my understanding.

Watching tonight's debacle got me wondering. Parramatta's only problem in my opinion is that they play like individuals. Finch might well be a good halfback but I don't think any of the players actually like him. Hayne is the laziest player I have ever seen on a football field. Mateo is a freak with the ball in his hand but just doesn't seem to want to get involved often enough. Hindmarsh never stops but he's a one man band. Fuifui does two unbelievable hitups a game and when he does, Parramatta start looking dangerous. Eric Grothe - no comment!

So my point is this. This all takes place on the field. I'm sure these guys train well, because they get picked by the coach. When you get this kind of disjointed play in the heat of battle, isn't it up to the captain to pull a team's heads together and sort sh*t out? Every time I see Parra concede, they get in their huddle and Brett Finch goes off his head. Nobody likes Brett Finch, so nobody cares.

Nathan Cayless has been Parramatta's captain for 10 odd years. Parramatta have had this problem for 10 odd years. Nobody ever looks at the captain as a potential source of weakness in rugby league. Why is that? I think if Parra had a good leader, none of this sh*t would be an issue for them. The players would rally together and follow him as a unit.

 

[gallagher]

I noticed tonight how much Hindmarsh doesnt really talk on the field, he doesnt seem to 'lead' the team at all, just happy to do his bit as a player but not as a leader. I know he's not the captain but he's a senior player no less.

 

[Eels Dude]

I noticed tonight how much Hindmarsh doesnt really talk on the field, he doesnt seem to 'lead' the team at all, just happy to do his bit as a player but not as a leader. I know he's not the captain but he's a senior player no less.

Wonderful point you utter fool. It takes more than being a "senior player" to make a good club captain. He doesn't talk on the field because he's not that type of player or person. He leads by example not by words. He's made it quite clear in the past that he has no interest in being club captain for the simple reason that he doesn't think he would make a good captain. Some people are born leaders, others aren't. Unlike a lot of blokes he has the guts and honesty to admit that so what's your reasoning for the criticism of him????

 

[Loudstrat]

Good points. Mateo has been asked to curb his flair and do more forward work. Good idea when others can handle the attack. Finch is a good 2nd playmaker - not a first reciever. He was at his best when Tim Smith was there to share the workload. Finch's biggest problem is carrying an ego at pivot. If Hayne is a pivot then Nathan Merit is a front rower. I've yet to see Hayne set up the attack like a proper playmaker.

Cayless may be part of the problem, but gee I'm sick of seeing him, Fiu and Hindy do 90% of the forwards work. Mannah tries hard, but he's young.

There were no decoy plays, either. Inu has no hope is things are not constructed inside him to give him room.

Fixing the problem? Dunno, but I'd give Hayne one more crack at pivot to show us he's a potential Brett Kenny, or it's off to the No. 3 jumper for him. Either that, or chuck him in at the deep end - halfback - where he HAS to set up play.

Leadership - I think Hindy and Cayless have been there so long that no one is willing to step up and take charge of the side if it isn't happening.

Grothe - second row.

 

[OVP]

I noticed tonight how much Hindmarsh doesnt really talk on the field, he doesnt seem to 'lead' the team at all, just happy to do his bit as a player but not as a leader. I know he's not the captain but he's a senior player no less.

I've noticed that for years. It's the ONLY thing anyone can hold against him. Hindy is such a legend week in week out he's just like a machine, he refuses to stop. Fitzy is like that too ... probably why Freddy changed the captaincy to Braith. Fitzy is too quiet, like Hindy. I'll tell you why that is exactly ... its because they do SOOOO much work week in week out, they simply dont have the time to waste energy on talking.

If thats a weakness, well bloody hell you'd have to be pretty harsh.

 

[lucablight]

Currently, Parramatta runs hot and cold like no other team in the comp, and have done for years. When they're on, everything looks great because they have one of the most talented teams in the comp. But why they keep persisting with lazy, disinterested players is beyond my understanding.

Watching tonight's debacle got me wondering. Parramatta's only problem in my opinion is that they play like individuals. Finch might well be a good halfback but I don't think any of the players actually like him. Hayne is the laziest player I have ever seen on a football field. Mateo is a freak with the ball in his hand but just doesn't seem to want to get involved often enough. Hindmarsh never stops but he's a one man band. Fuifui does two unbelievable hitups a game and when he does, Parramatta start looking dangerous. Eric Grothe - no comment!

So my point is this. This all takes place on the field. I'm sure these guys train well, because they get picked by the coach. When you get this kind of disjointed play in the heat of battle, isn't it up to the captain to pull a team's heads together and sort sh*t out? Every time I see Parra concede, they get in their huddle and Brett Finch goes off his head. Nobody likes Brett Finch, so nobody cares.

Nathan Cayless has been Parramatta's captain for 10 odd years. Parramatta have had this problem for 10 odd years. Nobody ever looks at the captain as a potential source of weakness in rugby league. Why is that? I think if Parra had a good leader, none of this sh*t would be an issue for them. The players would rally together and follow him as a unit.

He's actually pretty ineffective if you ask me.

 

[gallagher]

Wonderful point you utter fool. It takes more than being a "senior player" to make a good club captain. He doesn't talk on the field because he's not that type of player or person. He leads by example not by words. He's made it quite clear in the past that he has no interest in being club captain for the simple reason that he doesn't think he would make a good captain. Some people are born leaders, others aren't. Unlike a lot of blokes he has the guts and honesty to admit that so what's your reasoning for the criticism of him????

Wow you parra fans get narky.
I just think a player that parra fans rate as the best backrower ever to play the game should take on a bit more responsibilty. I'm sure the younger players look to him during a game for some guidance.

 

[OVP]

he's Actually Pretty Ineffective If You Ask Me.

Foff ?

 

[mickdo]

Cayless has to go. Just isn't worth the considerable $$$ he is on.

 

[Loudstrat]

Wow you parra fans get narky.
I just think a player that parra fans rate as the best backrower ever to play the game should take on a bit more responsibilty. I'm sure the younger players look to him during a game for some guidance.

Yes, of course. 50 tackles a game and 15 hitups. He is lazy and must do more.

FFS!

 

[gallagher]

Yes, of course. 50 tackles a game and 15 hitups. He is lazy and must do more.

FFS!

Never said he was lazy, just said he doesnt seem to be all that vocal on the field.

 

[Bazal]

Gallagher...Hindy has always been quiet. Prefers to lead by example.

As for the original question. Personally I reckon Cayless is a good enough captain (regardless of my opinion of him as a player in his current form). Our problem is a certain number 7, and how useless he is.

 

[Noa]

Good points. Mateo has been asked to curb his flair and do more forward work. Good idea when others can handle the attack. Finch is a good 2nd playmaker - not a first reciever. He was at his best when Tim Smith was there to share the workload. Finch's biggest problem is carrying an ego at pivot. If Hayne is a pivot then Nathan Merit is a front rower. I've yet to see Hayne set up the attack like a proper playmaker.

Cayless may be part of the problem, but gee I'm sick of seeing him, Fiu and Hindy do 90% of the forwards work. Mannah tries hard, but he's young.

There were no decoy plays, either. Inu has no hope is things are not constructed inside him to give him room.

Fixing the problem? Dunno, but I'd give Hayne one more crack at pivot to show us he's a potential Brett Kenny, or it's off to the No. 3 jumper for him. Either that, or chuck him in at the deep end - halfback - where he HAS to set up play.

Leadership - I think Hindy and Cayless have been there so long that no one is willing to step up and take charge of the side if it isn't happening.

Grothe - second row.

I was concerned about Hayne going to 5/8 and the effect it would have on Inu. With Hayne there, Inu is basically living off Haynes scraps rather then been giving good quality ball when he needs it. For the life of me I dont know why anderson didnt consider using Inu as the 6 and leave Hayne at center, imo Inus skills are more suited to 6 then Jarryds.

Doesnt help either that your 7 doesnt have the skill to complement Haynes athleticism.

 

[gallagher]

Gallagher...Hindy has always been quiet. Prefers to lead by example.
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Thats my whole point. I dont believe a senior player can just sit back and say ' well i did my tackles' and be happy with that. A club needs more than just the captain to lead the side.

 

[El Diablo]

Cayless has to go. Just isn't worth the considerable $$$ he is on.

agreed

passed his use by date

 

[Bazal]

Thats my whole point. I dont believe a senior player can just sit back and say ' well i did my tackles' and be happy with that. A club needs more than just the captain to lead the side.

I disagree. Hindy has always done it that way, why change what he does best?

Other senior guys can do the talking...Burt, for example, is brilliant at it.

 

[Tekken Lord]

Currently, Parramatta runs hot and cold like no other team in the comp, and have done for years. When they're on, everything looks great because they have one of the most talented teams in the comp. But why they keep persisting with lazy, disinterested players is beyond my understanding.

Watching tonight's debacle got me wondering. Parramatta's only problem in my opinion is that they play like individuals. Finch might well be a good halfback but I don't think any of the players actually like him. Hayne is the laziest player I have ever seen on a football field. Mateo is a freak with the ball in his hand but just doesn't seem to want to get involved often enough. Hindmarsh never stops but he's a one man band. Fuifui does two unbelievable hitups a game and when he does, Parramatta start looking dangerous. Eric Grothe - no comment!

So my point is this. This all takes place on the field. I'm sure these guys train well, because they get picked by the coach. When you get this kind of disjointed play in the heat of battle, isn't it up to the captain to pull a team's heads together and sort sh*t out? Every time I see Parra concede, they get in their huddle and Brett Finch goes off his head. Nobody likes Brett Finch, so nobody cares.

Nathan Cayless has been Parramatta's captain for 10 odd years. Parramatta have had this problem for 10 odd years. Nobody ever looks at the captain as a potential source of weakness in rugby league. Why is that? I think if Parra had a good leader, none of this sh*t would be an issue for them. The players would rally together and follow him as a unit.

We have more problems than playing like individuals, that's for certain.

Finch is not a good halfback. He can't even do a bullet pass, seriously wtf. Every kick downfield is straight down the fullbacks throat, so why is Finch taking every kick. Hayne, Burt, Keating brothers all have better kicking games.

There is an simple reason nobody likes Finch. He's sh*t. If i had somebody who is useless screaming at me all the time i would slay them.

Mateo is not disinterested. He's just following the role set out by the coach, and it limits him greatly as a player.

Finally, Cayless is a sh*t players. He constantly makes very few metres, and few hit ups, he can't break the line etc. He is even worse as a captain. Parra does need a new captain, just no idea who.

 

[gallagher]

I disagree. Hindy has always done it that way, why change what he does best?

Other senior guys can do the talking...Burt, for example, is brilliant at it.

Players that dont change dont improve. It could be a reason why NSW have given up on him. Parra and NSW need real leaders, not just good players.

 

[Danish]

Yes, of course. 50 tackles a game and 15 hitups. He is lazy and must do more.

FFS!

Thats just it.

Hindmarsh is, and has always been, a stats man.

He'll get you 40 tackles and 140m..... but very few of his tackles will be big hits or driving tackles getting the defence on the front foot, and even less of his runs will be anything other than 4th tackle "settlers".

He is not a gamebreaking player.

With a good team he'll be a nice toiler doing the scrappy work, but in a team that isn't performing he will never be the one to change that.

Pretty much exactly like fitzy.

 

[Kiki]

something is going on at Parra. but its been that way for a few yrs. and i think the problem lies within the management of the club