Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[The_Wookie]

314m - the 80m+ government grant for renovations.

Its a lot close than your letting on.

I didnt let on anything. The annual reports did, but I see your point.

Hasn’t afl had billions more in revenue than the nrl Like 3 or 4 billion over the past ten years or so ?

where’s is gone

Where its meant to: on the sport it runs, leagues it operates, stadiums it owns and operates, teams that play in its competitions and their facilities.

a stadium is generally a poor investment

Depends on the stadium. This one is home to 5 AFL clubs and 1 BBL club and the headquarters of the league. Waverly served the AFL well for about 25 years before that.

Its profitable for the league most years since they took over. And if they decide to sell they'll more than make back the 300m cost on land value alone - Seven years ago it was reported that the land - in the middle of the Melbourne CBD - was worth 900m on its own.

it’s an old stadium who funds the upgrade in ten or so years

Its been 20 years since it was built, and it competes with the MCG for crowds in a very attendance driven market. The Victorian Government will contribute as it has this time until the stadium gets demolished. Its part of the states major stadium strategy - MCG > Docklands > Aami Park. These three stadiums are also home to 15 professional clubs in five leagues.

the fact vlandys will have similar net assets over such a short time is really stunning

its very good, No doubt about

 

[Wb1234]

I didnt let on anything. The annual reports did, but I see your point.



Where its meant to: on the sport it runs, leagues it operates, stadiums it owns and operates, teams that play in its competitions and their facilities.



Depends on the stadium. This one is home to 5 AFL clubs and 1 BBL club and the headquarters of the league. Waverly served the AFL well for about 25 years before that.

Its profitable for the league most years since they took over. And if they decide to sell they'll more than make back the 300m cost on land value alone - Seven years ago it was reported that the land - in the middle of the Melbourne CBD - was worth 900m on its own.



Its been 20 years since it was built, and it competes with the MCG for crowds in a very attendance driven market. The Victorian Government will contribute as it has this time until the stadium gets demolished. Its part of the states major stadium strategy - MCG > Docklands > Aami Park. These three stadiums are also home to 15 professional clubs in five leagues.



its very good, No doubt about

But it’s not the gambaro hotel is it lol

Reality is AFL have many more add spaces, 40% longer game time and 4 Qtrs + 9 games a week.

If we get a comparable cash deal then its a huge win for the game in my eyes.

what you know about super league in Australia could fit on a postage stamp

arko made comments about this

 

[The_Wookie]

It’s probably one of them urban myths that isn’t provable as we dont have annual reports from back then. If the ARL was so flush with cash why would they put two of their new clubs in a difficult position by making them pay all travel costs?

we should be able to get the annual reports for this period.

 

[Wb1234]

“Super League broke the NSWRL. When the war began, the NSWRL had net assets of $16.4 million. When the smoke cleared, that figure was down to $2 million, barely enough to run the game for a week.”

Lachlan's legacy: $560m lost on Super League

Ten years after Rupert Murdoch set out to conquer rugby league, News Corporation has finally revealed the bill for its unhappy Super League adventure a staggering $560 million.

www.afr.com

 

[BlueandGold]

But it’s not the gambaro hotel is it lol

what you know about super league in Australia could fit on a postage stamp

arko made comments about this

You have just gotten schooled the last couple pages.

What you know about the health of the game in 1995 as oposed to today i could fit on the back of a 5c coin. hahaha

Run along now chap. hahaha

 

[Wb1234]

You have just gotten schooled the last couple pages.

What you know about the health of the game in 1995 as oposed to today i could fit on the back of a 5c coin. hahaha

Run along now chap. hahaha

Sure buddy

I was around in 95 actually following the game

i remember how afl was viewed at the time and hstrong rugby league was

heck you don’t even think the nrl can match the afl tv deal now that’s pathetic

are you David gallop in disguise

 

[taipan]

Whats the source for the 25m. given the revenue totals of the day, that seems unlikely

Based on reports/ rumours around the traps ATT which I understand sketchy. However the only way I can get closer to the mark. Packer stated to the ARL when the money fight was on with ch9/Optus and Fox,they(ARL) had to use their money to pay inflated figures to ARL players to match the Fox player figures, before he was going to put anymore in.Also Optus were involved in helping finance wise.

After all Packer stated he had the Rugby league rights for 9. And no one was going to take it from him.
I can also tell you people like Gould a non player earned again reportedly (you know the media LOL $800k) to stay on board with the ARL.If the ARL didn'tt compete with Fox paying figures the ARL was done and dusted.
Some 2nd grade players(one from the Tigers) were reportedly getting $600k.You have to have an idea the ARL comp had to match Fox, and Fox was paying a king's ransom for the likes of Meninga,ET,Daley,Stuart,Broncos players.
The guys who went to SL were still being paid by Fox after the two comps came together into the 2000s.

Now if you believe and I attended the Shark's going to SL meeting at the club, when Meninga made the statement "what has the ARL done for me" and you think the ARL didn't have a decent amount on hand to pay players/top up from St George,Parramatta,Souths,Manly,Newcastle,Roosters etc to compete with Fox then good luck.
The money being thrown around during SL war was like confetti.
eg Wendell sailor stated he was offered by Packer to go to Manly ARL ,he would receive $500k instantly to his account.Sailor stayed with the Broncos who went to SL.
Some who signed SL deals went back to the ARL for better deal : Dymock,Pay for starters.
The Johns Bros (ARL) reportedly received $700k each Harragon about the same.Allan Langer(SL) $900k.
There were 300 players contracted to SL plus 10 coaches plus refs/linesmen.And one has to guess similar numbers in the ARL.
Now tell me if $5-10m is going to fit the bill for the ARL.The money the ARL had in the bank whatever the actual figure was a build up of reserves.They sure as hell ended up with zilch when it was all over in 1997.

 

[taipan]

If my maths is correct, $25m in 1995 is about the equivalent of, or to put it another way, would have the purchasing power of $100m in today`s money, not $50m.

I just worked on the google inflationary figures chart from 95 to present day.If the purchasing power is $100m all the better.
I explained to Wookie that the reported est" $25m" has not been publicised to the public to my knowledge ,but reports swirling around ATT indicated a figure around the mark.It could have been $23m.I remember before the Olympic Stadium was built the RL was looking at a stadium at the St Peters tip area.
But as explained if the ARL had SFA they could not have assisted Packer & Optus to fend off Fox from taking the bets players and killing the comp.

 

[Wb1234]

I just worked on the google inflationary figures chart from 95 to present day.If the purchasing power is $100m all the better.
I explained to Wookie that the $25m has not been publicised to the public ,but reports swirling around ATT indicated a figure around the mark.It could have been $23m.I remember before the Olympic Stadium was built the RL was looking at a stadium at the St Peters tip area.
But as explained if the ARL had SFA they could not have assisted Packer & Optus to fend off Fox from taking the bets players and killing the comp.

£8m stadium. Plan for St Peters. The NSW Rugby League plans to build a 120,000 seat stadium at St

Date: 2nd January 1964 | Series: Newsclippings Books | Format: Newscutting | Read the full record details for Item: £8m stadium. Plan for St Peters. The NSW Rugby League plans to build a 120,000 seat stadium at St

archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au

Ground at St Peter’s was in the 60s

Wasn’t there talk that the arl almost bought ten when they were in receivership in the early 90s

 

[taipan]

£8m stadium. Plan for St Peters. The NSW Rugby League plans to build a 120,000 seat stadium at St

Date: 2nd January 1964 | Series: Newsclippings Books | Format: Newscutting | Read the full record details for Item: £8m stadium. Plan for St Peters. The NSW Rugby League plans to build a 120,000 seat stadium at St

archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au

Ground at St Peter’s was in the 60s

Yeah you are correct time wise, but wasn't there at some point talk of the ARL contributing toward the Olympic stadium early on..It may have been just that ,any case after the SL war no way Jose.

Wasn’t there talk that the arl almost bought ten when they were in receivership in the early 90s

A lot of rumours ,but I do know the Winfield sponsorship was a lucrative deal going from 1982-1994.After all it was during the sponsorship years they got Tina Turner involved in promotion.

 

[taipan]

A story by Zac Nissen for the Knights 6/3/20' "going into the 1995 season ,the ARL had never been stronger.Tina Turner ad campaigns, growing crowds booming SPONSORSHIP and largely successful expansions to Perth ,Nth Qldand NZ had rugby league in better shape than ever".
He mentions figures the Knight's players who stayed with ARL got.

 

[Iamback]

Based on reports/ rumours around the traps ATT which I understand sketchy. However the only way I can get closer to the mark. Packer stated to the ARL when the money fight was on with ch9/Optus and Fox,they(ARL) had to use their money to pay inflated figures to ARL players to match the Fox player figures, before he was going to put anymore in.Also Optus were involved in helping finance wise.

After all Packer stated he had the Rugby league rights for 9. And no one was going to take it from him.
I can also tell you people like Gould a non player earned again reportedly (you know the media LOL $800k) to stay on board with the ARL.If the ARL didn'tt compete with Fox paying figures the ARL was done and dusted.
Some 2nd grade players(one from the Tigers) were reportedly getting $600k.You have to have an idea the ARL comp had to match Fox, and Fox was paying a king's ransom for the likes of Meninga,ET,Daley,Stuart,Broncos players.
The guys who went to SL were still being paid by Fox after the two comps came together into the 2000s.

Now if you believe and I attended the Shark's going to SL meeting at the club, when Meninga made the statement "what has the ARL done for me" and you think the ARL didn't have a decent amount on hand to pay players/top up from St George,Parramatta,Souths,Manly,Newcastle,Roosters etc to compete with Fox then good luck.
The money being thrown around during SL war was like confetti.
eg Wendell sailor stated he was offered by Packer to go to Manly ARL ,he would receive $500k instantly to his account.Sailor stayed with the Broncos who went to SL.
Some who signed SL deals went back to the ARL for better deal : Dymock,Pay for starters.
The Johns Bros (ARL) reportedly received $700k each Harragon about the same.Allan Langer(SL) $900k.
There were 300 players contracted to SL plus 10 coaches plus refs/linesmen.And one has to guess similar numbers in the ARL.
Now tell me if $5-10m is going to fit the bill for the ARL.The money the ARL had in the bank whatever the actual figure was a build up of reserves.They sure as hell ended up with zilch when it was all over in 1997.

Plenty of players on both sides have publicly said the sort of money thrown around.

But just working with $100k per player comes in at $30m for 300 players

 

[The_Wookie]

Yeah you are correct time wise, but wasn't there at some point talk of the ARL contributing toward the Olympic stadium early on..It may have been just that ,any case after the SL war no way Jose.

A lot of rumours ,but I do know the Winfield sponsorship was a lucrative deal going from 1982-1994.After all it was during the sponsorship years they got Tina Turner involved in promotion.

• 23.02.1982 - NSWRL announces three year sponsorship deal worth 2 million with Winfield

The Winfield sponsorship was initially a three year deal worth 2 million for the NSWRL premiership. (The Swans received a million for their club alone over the same period)

Interesting enough, the Winfield deal in 1989 possibly killed off an early Melbourne bid to join the league as the Victorian Government banned cigarette sponsorship - I mean the early 90s Winfield sponsorship was almost hilarious with Norths and Raiders getting in some strife over the sponsorship.

• 13.07.1989 – VRL officials say Winfield sponsorship of the NSWRL jeopardises a bid to establish a premiership team in Melbourne
• 31.08.1989 – The WA Government says a rugby league club might be exempt from Cigarette advertising bans.
• 22.03.1991 – Ken Arthurson warns North Sydney he had the legal right to expel the club if it did not declare support for major sponsor WInfield.
• 27.03.1992 – John Quayle threatens to withdraw $900,000 in development funds for Bruce Stadium, and cancel tv coverage of games at the ground if the ACT Government replaced Winfield Cup signs with Quit for Life.

 

[taipan]

• 23.02.1982 - NSWRL announces three year sponsorship deal worth 2 million with Winfield

The Winfield sponsorship was initially a three year deal worth 2 million for the NSWRL premiership. (The Swans received a million for their club alone over the same period)

Interesting enough, the Winfield deal in 1989 possibly killed off an early Melbourne bid to join the league as the Victorian Government banned cigarette sponsorship - I mean the early 90s Winfield sponsorship was almost hilarious with Norths and Raiders getting in some strife over the sponsorship.

• 13.07.1989 – VRL officials say Winfield sponsorship of the NSWRL jeopardises a bid to establish a premiership team in Melbourne
• 31.08.1989 – The WA Government says a rugby league club might be exempt from Cigarette advertising bans.
• 22.03.1991 – Ken Arthurson warns North Sydney he had the legal right to expel the club if it did not declare support for major sponsor WInfield.
• 27.03.1992 – John Quayle threatens to withdraw $900,000 in development funds for Bruce Stadium, and cancel tv coverage of games at the ground if the ACT Government replaced Winfield Cup signs with Quit for Life.

Yeah I know the start and many rl fans including myself were not happy with cig ads, even though I was a smoker. Yep a lot of controversy over the sponsor.But the Tina Turner promotion with no doubt Winfield money helped push the game to a level, where more women became involved.
The Swans received not only sponsorship, but during the SL war ,the Sydney Morning Herald (a non Murdoch paper) pushed the Swans with so much free advertising/news ,plus the war itself was a massive boon to the Swans.that has been admitted by officials ATT.
They had the Swans running around the opera house with Barry Round & Costa party at Lady Fairfax homestead in the Eastern Suburbs.The Storm would kill fro 1/10 of that now.
Then they decided to sack Souths and that assisted the Swans.More leg ups than a can can dancer.

The only good thing from a selfish point of view, the SL war and the Sharks going to that comp, saved the club.

I'd sure like to know the Winfield deal from the 3 year initial one up to 1995.
Any case it's not going to change anything now, the NRL is going gangbusters, looking at expansion to 18 teams and a leader who is prepared to tread on toes to protect his code if need betas he did ripping into ch9 with their poor promotional efforts.

 

[taipan]

Plenty of players on both sides have publicly said the sort of money thrown around.

But just working with $100k per player comes in at $30m for 300 players

Mate trust me the average was a lot more than that.

 

[Wb1234]

Mate trust me the average was a lot more than that.

It was like 300 to 400k

bums were getting triple their wages

 

[Captain Apollo]

I heard it was 100 million

fair but we smash afl in ratings terms

nine and stan bid 500 million pa for the afl so we know they have the money

fox can’t afford to lose its top rating sport it couldn’t survive imo if a rival got nrl

even with 18 teams afl still had an extra team to sell so the comparison still isn’t on an even basis but it’s closing

In relation to Fox that's very true. With the rise in streaming services, a lot of content they used to have is no longer available to them so without live sport, especially NRL, it would see a lot of subscribers to Foxtel and Kayo end their susbscriptions.

 

[Captain Apollo]

It was like 300 to 400k

bums were getting triple their wages

Very true. Mike Colman's book The Super League War gives a very good account of the kind of money players received. Who can forget Phil Gould talking about the money that was thrown at Steve Edmed.

This article from the AFR published in 1995 gives you an idea of the amounts throw about -

Footballers in a league of their own

This year the not-so-humble footballer moved into the realms of the chief executive. The captain of the Australian rugby league team, Brad Fittler, would hardly have noticed the moment in history. For "Freddy", the past few weeks have been a comfortable embarrassment: one of this week's rugby...

www.afr.com

 

[Pneuma]

Yeah I know the start and many rl fans including myself were not happy with cig ads, even though I was a smoker. Yep a lot of controversy over the sponsor.But the Tina Turner promotion with no doubt Winfield money helped push the game to a level, where more women became involved.
The Swans received not only sponsorship, but during the SL war ,the Sydney Morning Herald (a non Murdoch paper) pushed the Swans with so much free advertising/news ,plus the war itself was a massive boon to the Swans.that has been admitted by officials ATT.
They had the Swans running around the opera house with Barry Round & Costa party at Lady Fairfax homestead in the Eastern Suburbs.The Storm would kill fro 1/10 of that now.
Then they decided to sack Souths and that assisted the Swans.More leg ups than a can can dancer.

The only good thing from a selfish point of view, the SL war and the Sharks going to that comp, saved the club.

I'd sure like to know the Winfield deal from the 3 year initial one up to 1995.
Any case it's not going to change anything now, the NRL is going gangbusters, looking at expansion to 18 teams and a leader who is prepared to tread on toes to protect his code if need betas he did ripping into ch9 with their poor promotional efforts.

My most distinct memory of super league was the massive salaries being reported for average players and the low quality of much of the football. I remember being in the Canberra casino around this time and watching a young bloke throwing thousands at the black Jack table. He was about 20 and was a relative nobody footballer. I saw him lose a huge amount of money. Super league was a dark time for the great game.

 

[Pneuma]

Very true. Mike Colman's book The Super League War gives a very good account of the kind of money players received. Who can forget Phil Gould talking about the money that was thrown at Steve Edmed.

This article from the AFR published in 1995 gives you an idea of the amounts throw about -

Footballers in a league of their own

This year the not-so-humble footballer moved into the realms of the chief executive. The captain of the Australian rugby league team, Brad Fittler, would hardly have noticed the moment in history. For "Freddy", the past few weeks have been a comfortable embarrassment: one of this week's rugby...

www.afr.com

I still remember the Edmed story. $600,000.