Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Iamback]

No lift in the broadcast deal, doesnt mean there wasnt a rise in broadcast income. They are structured to increase annually.

Making this being year 2 at $400m cash looking more and more likely as the reports said

 

[Iamback]

For mine the GF is an event, it doesn't matter who is playing.

Stadium members isn't relevant either, as obviously you adjust that years fees accordingly.

Why would bush footy teams travel to Sydney but not other cities?

Sounds like you don't have much faith in the GF to appeal to an audience outside of Sydney

Cost.

They can hire a bus and come to Sydney or Brisbane in that case.

Not sure many footy clubs could raise the money needed for flights etc.

As for the last line, throw Brisbane in that too. Outside of those 2 cities the GF wouldn't work there are examples such as Origin.

Perth for example had 59k for their last game, Less than Sydney and not much more than Brisbane holds and you can charge more in those cities.

 

[Perth Red]

40 million increase when it’s all from non broadcast sources

Some would be revenues from hotels and the rest the gate from Vegas

Nrl has 320 million in net assets mostly accumulated since after Covid

Incremental accounting would mean around $8-10mill of that increase was from the broadcast deal.

Inflation adjusted increased ticket prices for nrl events + Vegas

maybe the wa deal for buying origin and double header games (not sure if they got that revenue last year when deal done or its accounted for this year when played?)

the hotel revenue they added to the asset list

some of the areas you’d think contributed

 

[BlueandGold]

NRL 62m surplus.
Operating surplus 75m+ depending on how much those Hotels cost.

AFL 23m surplus.
Operating surplus 45m, increased spending from the AFL.

NRL is in rude health, now if we can get the money the correct area's of the game.

Bringing back the under 20's is a good start.

 

[siv]

40 million increase when it’s all from non broadcast sources

Some would be revenues from hotels and the rest the gate from Vegas

Nrl has 320 million in net assets mostly accumulated since after Covid

RLPA says hi

 

[Iamback]

NRL 62m surplus.
Operating surplus 75m+ depending on how much those Hotels cost.

AFL 23m surplus.
Operating surplus 45m, increased spending from the AFL.

NRL is in rude health, now if we can get the money the correct area's of the game.

Bringing back the under 20's is a good start.

Still have the NRLW way under it's potential and Vegas would of lost a few million.

So still some areas that can improve

 

[Jetka100]

Still have the NRLW way under it's potential and Vegas would of lost a few million.

So still some areas that can improve

Certainly a lot more growth potential for NRL than the AFL. Where can the AFL go from here? Tasmania? Darwin? Both would be costing more money than they bring in. No chance of international expansion. AFLW has already been expanded too much and is a crap product and none of the clubs want to bring back Origin. Even their indigenous all stars was against a mediocre club who couldn’t even be half arsed to play well. Next 10 years will see a much improved broadcast deal for NRL and the domination of the Pacific at the expense of Union.

 

[Perth Red]

Certainly a lot more growth potential for NRL than the AFL. Where can the AFL go from here? Tasmania? Darwin? Both would be costing more money than they bring in. No chance of international expansion. AFLW has already been expanded too much and is a crap product and none of the clubs want to bring back Origin. Even their indigenous all stars was against a mediocre club who couldn’t even be half arsed to play well. Next 10 years will see a much improved broadcast deal for NRL and the domination of the Pacific at the expense of Union.

We are still $200mill ish revenue behind and they are about to get an extra $150 mill a year media revenue. Our next tv deal will be crucial if we are to ever close that gap.

 

[Wb1234]

We are still $200mill ish revenue behind and they are about to get an extra $150 mill a year media revenue. Our next tv deal will be crucial if we are to ever close that gap.

Nah your fumbler mates didn’t reveal the revenue in their release which if you take out the 120 million in govt grant money on marvel stadium would leave a huge hole in their finances

But don’t worry once that Telstra contra for marvel stadium kicks in it will look good again

 

[Wb1234]

We are still $200mill ish revenue behind and they are about to get an extra $150 mill a year media revenue. Our next tv deal will be crucial if we are to ever close that gap.

Told you their revenue went down

When they didn’t mention it in the press release it was obvious

 

[Jetka100]

We are still $200mill ish revenue behind and they are about to get an extra $150 mill a year media revenue. Our next tv deal will be crucial if we are to ever close that gap.

I would agree that at the moment, the AFL is a high dividend paying stock, but if you were looking for high capital growth going forward, NRL has all the potential. The biggest loser will ultimately be Union in this country. Once they have burnt through any extra money from the Lions tour and the Rugby World Cup, where do they go from there and what carrot can you dangle in front of players to keep them in the code or the country. Most of the country wouldn’t have realised Super Rugby kicked off last weekend.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Told you their revenue went down

When they didn’t mention it in the press release it was obvious

Can someone advise why the AFL’s profit and revenue is going down ? Wouldn’t their TV deal be increasing each year ?

 

[Perth Red]

Told you their revenue went down

When they didn’t mention it in the press release it was obvious

lol need to see the details but probably due to the stadium grant in 2023 not being there in 2024. Without the grant in 2023 their revenue was $961mill.

 

[Captain Apollo]

RLPA says hi

Especially if for the NRLW, they follow what the WNBA Players Association has done earlier this year.

 

[Wb1234]

There’s a revenue sharing agreement with the rlpa and clubs whereby any profits over budget are split 50 percent nrl and 25 percent each to the clubs

Think the budget was around 45 to 50 million

Only way he’s managed to get the expansion happening is feeding the many mouths of rugby league from players clubs to nswrl and qrl

 

[Perth Red]

Can someone advise why the AFL’s profit and revenue is going down ? Wouldn’t their TV deal be increasing each year ?

2023 revenue included a $102 mill grant from vic govt to upgrade marvel. 2024 probably doesn’t. So if you take that out from that year (as Wb screams to do every time their revenue gets mentioned lol) they’ve gone from $961mill in 23 to $1bill 32mill. A revenue increase, sans grant, of $61mill. Their big tv deal kicks in this year so we wont see that big revenue increase until the 2025 report in 2026.

 

[Perth Red]

I would agree that at the moment, the AFL is a high dividend paying stock, but if you were looking for high capital growth going forward, NRL has all the potential. The biggest loser will ultimately be Union in this country. Once they have burnt through any extra money from the Lions tour and the Rugby World Cup, where do they go from there and what carrot can you dangle in front of players to keep them in the code or the country. Most of the country wouldn’t have realised Super Rugby kicked off last weekend.

For sure. A 20 club comp, full nrlwa comp and increased international focus is all great potential revenue growth for nrl n years to come.
The next tv deal is critical though. Afl revenue this year is likely to be around 1bill 200mill. Nrl‘s optimistically around $800mill.
That’s a bigger gap than ever before And wont close until 2028 and only then if we land a mega tv deal.

 

[Wb1234]

2023 revenue included a $102 mill grant from vic govt to upgrade marvel. 2024 probably doesn’t. So if you take that out from that year (as Wb screams to do every time their revenue gets mentioned lol) they’ve gone from $961mill in 23 to $1bill 32mill. A revenue increase, sans grant, of $61mill. Their big tv deal kicks in this year so we wont see that big revenue increase until the 2025 report in 2026.

lol you were bragging about how the fumblers cracked a billion in revenue now it’s going down you are saying including the grant wasn’t the true picture

 

[Wb1234]

For sure. A 20 club comp, full nrlwa comp and increased international focus is all great potential revenue growth for nrl n years to come.
The next tv deal is critical though. Afl revenue this year is likely to be around 1bill 200mill. Nrl‘s optimistically around $800mill.
That’s a bigger gap than ever before And wont close until 2028 and only then if we land a mega tv deal.

It’s not critical

Afl at one stage had double the revenue nrl had

Afl has to spend over 100 million a year on juniors which the arl saves a lot of by having leagues clubs across nsw qld and Canberra paying for it

And afl squad sizes are almost double nrl ones so the grants to each fumbler club need to be higher to cover

 

[Wb1234]

Can someone advise why the AFL’s profit and revenue is going down ? Wouldn’t their TV deal be increasing each year ?

Afl last year included a govt grant of 125 million to fix up marvel stadium last year as income when it really wasn’t

Same with the new tv deal they will include hundreds of millions Telstra is spending on marvel as revenue

Enron would be proud