Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[SirPies&Beers]

They’ve both said they have intentions to enter their own sides.

dolphins already have a side.....and they pay through their entire structure down to u-6's and junior clubs.
you got rocks in ya head? perth wrongs, ding dong

broncos wont pay for mm or cc sides. they just wanna take and not give anything back.

 

[siv]

It's more the NRL clubs who do not want national reserve grade and NYC competitions due to logistics and costs.

Only the Broncos & Newtown

All NSW based clubs, Warriors & Melbourne, now have the structure in place
While Qld based clubs are running a QU20 comp and will be stand alone RG next year

Merge Newtown Ipswich as Brisbane 3 and all oposition should be removed

 

[siv]

the point is who pays for the grades below say mal meninga cup?

No change, still comes via the QRL

No one is saying to change the basics of Qld Cup (Part time league) or U19s U17s this can stay at State level

NRL clubs just operate the full time professional structures of NRL RG and NYC

 

[siv]

Clubs only spend on their selected juniors
- which is limited in numbers and limited in financial investment.

The QLD NRL clubs do not spend money on regional juniors or any club that’s not associated with that NRL club and here’s a hit tip - there’s a bucket load. It’s the QRL clubs that’s spend on the networks of clubs which feed into that specific representative club.

QRL gets its part-funding from ARLC. That is the business transaction from the return of interest of managing and facilitating junior clubs, those pathways, the infrastructures and resources ie game day officials that naturally progress through the grades to be scooped by the NRL clubs and NRL management.

NRL clubs (specific to QLD) will spend the cash on U-21s but they won’t spend it on the grades below that. Therein lies an issue - the national tiers will still not be aligned. There will still be discrepancy between NRL club vs. the real pathways below it which is the QRL clubs that’s actually produce the talent.

This gravy train is made up. It doesn’t exist. The money that’s going into the state bodies is going there because they are facilitating and managing clubs.

Arguing this point is as I said - you are far from an expert here mate.

Do you realuse with a NRL RG and ir NYC

This will not change

You seem to think NRL RG means Qld Cup, and junior comps get shutdown

That will be far from the case

Lets remember EVERY year 250 players graduate from juniors to seniors. Some will go to professional RL careers ie NRL. Some will go to part time RL careers ie Qld Cup

AND today NRL already clubs pay for 30+6 players and the Qld U20 25 players

QRL grants have not dropped in this model, they continue to increase from the ARLC

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Do ypu realuse with a NRL RG and ir NYC

This will not change

You seem to think NRL RG means Qld Cup, and junior comps get shutdown

That will be far from the case

Lets remember EVERY year 250 players graduate from juniors to seniors. Some will go to professional RL careers ie NRL. Some will go to part time RL careers ie Qld Cup

AND today NRL already clubs pay for 30+6 players and the Qld U20 25 players

QRL grants have not dropped in this model, they continue to increase from the ARLC

No, I don’t think that at all. But through our own investment we know how things stands.

If we are creating 2 extra tiers of football across the board then that extra money needs to come from somewhere without it impacting the existing structures and tiers - this includes officials as well as players.

This is where the issue lies. Everyone wants a piece of more pie, however the investment back to the source is critical and currently not enough. Something has to give.

NRL paying for a top 30 + development players and another 25 U20’s is great but what about the rest? You think the player pool stops there?

QRL grants haven’t dropped but they also aren’t adequately increased to keep up with the demands of junior and regional footy.

Your posts don’t reflect how things actually are.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

No change, still comes via the QRL

No one is saying to change the basics of Qld Cup (Part time league) or U19s U17s this can stay at State level

NRL clubs just operate the full time professional structures of NRL RG and NYC

qrl will be outputting more players then.
you need the numbers and qrl in queenlands case provide the numbers.

you have reserves ok, so that means more seniors need to play the game to fill the gaps in q-cup, which means more seniors need to play to fill the gaps in localised district leagues.
same with juniors.

i dont think red&blakcbear is saying funding will be cut, he is saying if you increase the nrl clubs rosters by including reserve and u-21s it means you need to increase the money to pay nrl clubs to be able to have that increase of club roster and if you increase those grades you need to increase the qrl/nswrl grants because they'll need to go harder to get players and juniors signed on to meet demand and keep the localised groups/districts alive or those groups/districts clubs go bust.

where is money coming from to pay for full national reserve and -21 but also increase state bodies grants to ensure they keep the furnace burning

to me its fairly simple.

there's a symbiotic structure. nswrl is different because nrl teams filter down to harold matts and then groups below that. but qrl is unique, you cannt tamper with it to align like nswrl because it wasnt created like nswrl. and it seems most of us nswelshmen and the ding dong pom cannot understand that simple fact.

 

[Wb1234]

What happens to the qrl cup when the four qlnd nrl clubs have their own sides in stacked with the best talent?
Are the rest of the teams sans nrl players going to be whipping boys?

It will remain as it is as a valuable third tier comp

Or they could merge it with the nswrl

 

[Wb1234]

Maybe that's why the Broncos and Dolphins have multiple feeders club where they spread the talent around. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

That’s a disadvantage not having all your players in one team building cohesiveness

 

[siv]

qrl will be outputting more players then.
you need the numbers and qrl in queenlands case provide the numbers.

you have reserves ok, so that means more seniors need to play the game to fill the gaps in q-cup, which means more seniors need to play to fill the gaps in localised district leagues.
same with juniors.

i dont think red&blakcbear is saying funding will be cut, he is saying if you increase the nrl clubs rosters by including reserve and u-21s it means you need to increase the money to pay nrl clubs to be able to have that increase of club roster and if you increase those grades you need to increase the qrl/nswrl grants because they'll need to go harder to get players and juniors signed on to meet demand and keep the localised groups/districts alive or those groups/districts clubs go bust.

where is money coming from to pay for full national reserve and -21 but also increase state bodies grants to ensure they keep the furnace burning

to me its fairly simple.

there's a symbiotic structure. nswrl is different because nrl teams filter down to harold matts and then groups below that. but qrl is unique, you cannt tamper with it to align like nswrl because it wasnt created like nswrl. and it seems most of us nswelshmen and the ding dong pom cannot understand that simple fact.

Next TV deal will increase ARLC finances

250 players graduate every season

As only 2 to 4 NRL players play in those Qld Cup clubs today even less in SOO period.

I cannot see any impact

 

[siv]

No, I don’t think that at all. But through our own investment we know how things stands.

If we are creating 2 extra tiers of football across the board then that extra money needs to come from somewhere without it impacting the existing structures and tiers - this includes officials as well as players.

This is where the issue lies. Everyone wants a piece of more pie, however the investment back to the source is critical and currently not enough. Something has to give.

NRL paying for a top 30 + development players and another 25 U20’s is great but what about the rest? You think the player pool stops there?

QRL grants haven’t dropped but they also aren’t adequately increased to keep up with the demands of junior and regional footy.

Your posts don’t reflect how things actually are.

New TV deal will address any finance concerns

Lets remember the last TV deal jumped over 50%

 

[siv]

but what about the rest? You think the player pool stops there?

They will get paid in the same part time manner they do today

 

[siv]

you need to increase the money to pay nrl clubs to be able to have that increase of club roster

The NRL clubs are already paying for these players today and ARL finances are increasing

 

[siv]

qrl/nswrl grants because they'll need to go harder to get players and juniors signed on to meet deman

Disagree - these are the part time player pool. Any one time issue will settle after 2 seasons

There is no way a $1-2 mil part time organisation can EVER compete for a full time professional player from a $40-50 mil(and growing) organistion

Thats the new reality

Thats why there us a clear split between full-time professional pathways and the part-time pathway

 

[siv]

there's a symbiotic structure. nswrl is different because nrl teams filter down to harold matts and then groups below that. but qrl is unique, you cannt tamper with it to align like nswrl because it wasnt created like nswrl. and it seems most of us nswelshmen and the ding dong pom cannot understand that simple fact.

You do not change the QRL structure

The professional NRL structure sits on top of this

The Broncos already did this to the BRL back in 1988

 

[siv]

What happens to the qrl cup when the four qlnd nrl clubs have their own sides in stacked with the best talent?
Are the rest of the teams sans nrl players going to be whipping boys?

Thats why these NRL RG teams should be in the NRL RG not in the Qld Cup

 

[siv]

broncos wont pay for mm or cc sides. they just wanna take and not give anything back.

Broncos were setup as the regional club that sits above the A grade comp

You will see the same happening in Nth Qld and the Gold Coast

The NRL club doesnt need to run the U19 or U17 structure in Qld but they could if they wanted to too

 

[Red&BlackBear]

New TV deal will address any finance concerns

Lets remember the last TV deal jumped over 50%

Everything increases along with the tv deal jump. On top of this you’re looking at adding an additional 2 grades worth of footy.

This is after an increase of teams by 3 with a 4th coming.

Let’s do the math. Club squads would need to increase to a top 40 to sufficiently cover 2 grades worth of seniors (NRL & Reserves) and then an additional 20 spots for U21’s.

So you’re asking for an increase of 30 club spots per club x 19 teams. Thats an additional 570 spots to be covered by a rising club grant - even if they are all on minimum that’s a significant uplift p/season.

Unless you specifically mean for just QLD - so then you’re only asking 120 spots between the 4 clubs.

These additional costs will include accomodation and travel plus additional medicos, coaching staff, game day officials.

This is still while raising the portion towards the QRL and NSWRL so they can adequately manage dozens of groups and districts and keep rugby league ticking along regionally.

Your solution here banking on this TV rights deal to cover all rising costs while adding to it with more tiers isn’t it. I don’t think you fully understand what you’re actually implying.

The game isn’t in a position for that - irrespective of what the next tv deal is.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Only the Broncos & Newtown

All NSW based clubs, Warriors & Melbourne, now have the structure in place
While Qld based clubs are running a QU20 comp and will be stand alone RG next year

Merge Newtown Ipswich as Brisbane 3 and all oposition should be removed

The U20s comp (NRLQ) is run by the QRL using the NRL clubs branding.

I can see that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.

 

[siv]

Let’s do the math. Club squads would need to increase to a top 40 to sufficiently cover 2 grades worth of seniors (NRL & Reserves) and then an additional 20 spots for U21’s.

So you’re asking for an increase of 30 club spots per club x 19 teams. Thats an additional 570 spots to be covered by a rising club grant - even if they are all on minimum that’s a significant uplift p/season.

Unless you specifically mean for just QLD - so then you’re only asking 120 spots between the 4 clubs

Lets do the correct maths

1 - ALL NRL clubs already run a U21/20 structure. So no extra funding needed

2 - squads to grow to 40 from 30+6. The NRL clubs already run up to 10 train and trial players outside of the 30+6 and call upon them during times of injury etc

Lets say you have 4 train and trial players playing on average 4 games. Thats $12k bonus each today plus say a $40k base salary salary

You could set player 37 to 40 to be on $50k contracts without much change

 

[siv]

additional medicos, coaching staff, game day officials.

These already exist and you can blood a few extra referees if needed. We are overdue to do this