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Phil Gould and Golden Point

hunters

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24 games x 80 minutes = 1,920 minutes
22 games x 80 minutes and 2 games x 83 minutes = 1,926 mins.
Teams are getting extra game time to score extra points, it only takes 1 point to put one team ahead of another on f/a
Would be a small issue every 15 years or so.
 

Eels Dude

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.I would scrap points for the Bye. It give a false impression where your team is at. But three points for a win and 1 point for a loss in golden point and 2 points for the victor is a good one.

Take away the 2 points and it would be the same as teams that haven't played as many games would automatically be lower on the ladder.
 

innsaneink

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Would be a small issue every 15 years or so.
Or easier to make it a NON-issue EVERY year by not adding points scored in extra time/golden point

Are you David Gallop?

This is the problem with NRL....we sit on our hands until probs arise, dont look to prevent them before hand
 

hunters

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Even if it were to ever happen, I doubt more than a handful of people would really see the fact that one team had an additional 3 minutes across the entire season to score a couple of points as a real problem.
 

Mr Spock!

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Found it very ironic last night that he was whinging about teams walking away with nothing from Golden Point.
He was the dickhead who lobbied so hard to get it put in in the first place.

He only cares now that he is involved with a club again, and that club lost in Golden Point a few weeks back.

We were always happy with walking from the game as a draw Gould, you were the muppet who wanted Golden Point.
I've been waiting for the day when the idiot started whinging about it.

Like the obstruction rule. Noticed he was very quiet when the Hodges try was being looked at in SOO3. The reason it was changed and botched was thanks to Phil.
 

Danish

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Golden try and any other "first to x points" type systems are stupid. If a field goal is good enough to win a game in the 79th minute, it's good enough to win one in the 81st.

All we need is an NHL-style point system with 3 for win, 2 for golden point win, 1 for golden point loss and 0 for loss. Byes should not accumulate points as they are guaranteed to all teams so whether they are 1 point or 1000000 points makes no difference. Might as well leave them at zero so that a team's position on the ladder at any given round is the correct one and not influenced by whose had a bye yet and who hasnt
 

t-ba

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Golden try and any other "first to x points" type systems are stupid. If a field goal is good enough to win a game in the 79th minute, it's good enough to win one in the 81st.

All we need is an NHL-style point system with 3 for win, 2 for golden point win, 1 for golden point loss and 0 for loss. Byes should not accumulate points as they are guaranteed to all teams so whether they are 1 point or 1000000 points makes no difference. Might as well leave them at zero so that a team's position on the ladder at any given round is the correct one and not influenced by whose had a bye yet and who hasnt


Yep.

3 for an outright win.
2 for an ET Win.
1 for an ET loss or outright draw.
0 for an outright loss.

Teams shouldn't be punished for drawing level on 80 minutes. Rather, there should be a bonus for winning in ET.
 
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Gould is so arrogant he can't see straight anymore. Too Precious to come back and coach NSW even though tactically he knows how to beat Qld. Too concerned about telling the entire league world how to run the game. The caps a joke blah blah. Gallop has no idea blah blah. He talks over the top of everyone in the commentary box. Sterling is a far better analyst. He sees it before anyone else. Joey is the same but all he gets is a sideline eye two setence input while we suffer Gould's biased dribble on a weekly basis.
 

fourplay

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Getting points for losing is the dumbest thing I've heard.

What makes golden point exciting is it's all or nothing, where the slightest play or a missed tackle can make or break the game.
 

Nightward

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Too Precious to come back and coach NSW even though tactically he knows how to beat Qld.

I really don't think he does. The "if I could do it right" stuff he drags out whenever he is asked if he'll coach NSW again is a smokescreen; by now, the NSWRL should be beating down the door of anyone with half an idea as to how to run an Origin campaign. When Wayne Bennet took over and redeveloped the Queensland program, the cattle weren't there... yet. His system ensured they would be in the future.

Gould is not willing to take on the job because he doesn't know how to fix the system and the players he would need to make an immediate impact are not there. If NSW had a team of world-class superstars at their disposal, you would need to pry the coaching position from Gould's cold, dead hands.

So far as the rest goes, complete agreement. Sterlo loves his Eels and is obviously in favour of NSW, but he doesn't let it get away from him in commentary. Ray Warren can no longer tell Anglo-Saxon/Caucasian/Etc players apart from Islanders and Indigenous players, and was never that great to begin with. Wally tries hard, but lacks the talent to commentate. Fatty and Fittler are usually good for a laugh, but expecting sensible commentary from them is a lost cause. Johns is worse still. Andrew Voss is a complete dribbler, and while Hadley has potential he needs to realise that we can see the action for ourselves too.

That they needed to bring in a cricket commentator to restore some vague semblence of dignity to the NRL Footy Show pretty much says it all about the commentary team. I can't blame Sterlo for not wanting to be back there either; he was the only one actually interested in talking about the football instead of clowning around.
 

innsaneink

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Even if it were to ever happen, I doubt more than a handful of people would really see the fact that one team had an additional 3 minutes across the entire season to score a couple of points as a real problem.
If it cost a 9th placed team 8th spot after rd 26....it'd be much more than a handful of people.

As you say, its only a couple of points....why the urgency to keep them?

The competition is uneven enough as it is. We should be doing everything to make it as even as possible
 

Mr Fourex

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Like the obstruction rule. Noticed he was very quiet when the Hodges try was being looked at in SOO3. The reason it was changed and botched was thanks to Phil.

You're kidding......Gould squealed like the proverbial fat pig he is about the Hodges try.
 

The Engineers Room

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The answer is simple:

If the scores are level then they play extra time (5 mins each way). A field goal or penalty goal doesn't end the game. If they score a try they win. Then whoever is in front at the end of the extra time period wins or if they are still level it is called a draw.

The winner gets 2 points (1 for the draw and a bonus point for the extra time victory) the loser gets a point for the draw only.
 

thommo4pm

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Draws in the regular season, 10 minutes each way in Origin and finals, followed by Golden Point if still level.

Agree, it's not that hard really.

That's half the problem with our game, people keep changing things that didn't or don't need to be changed.....like Gould screaming for Golden Point when it first came in.
 

Dogs Of War

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Golden try and any other "first to x points" type systems are stupid. If a field goal is good enough to win a game in the 79th minute, it's good enough to win one in the 81st.

In a golden try situation field goals still are, as long as the 10minutes is played out. We want to put the emphasis on guys trying to score a try in extra time to win the game immediately, rather than watch 10 minutes of teams just taking shots at field goal. Teams would throw the ball around a lot, especially if they are behind and stuck in their own half. They have nothing to lose at that point. Extra time should be more exciting than watching field goal practice.
 

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