Pirates potential team

[Panfas]

Try not reading things that aren't there. I didn't say it's a bad place to live. In fact I said poms are a route they could and should go because they'd have no reason to preference the east coast over the west coast.

But for Aussies, it's a huge life decision to cross the continent. Way diffferent from going just up or down the coast a couple of hours. These people have friends, family, lives, possibly young children, they're not going to be lining up to turn all that upside down.

For the vast majority of players worth buying, they will have offers where they are, if you're getting one offer to play in the next suburb or the same offer to move to Perth. The vast majority will not choose Perth.

For every top talent player worth buying they will have to offer overs to lure them that far away.

And the precedence is there with the Cowboys. I've heard them say they find it tough to recruit players from Sydney and even Brisbane. Thurston was a bench player in 2004 and was offered star money which is the only reason he went. He could have done a Sandow and been a bust. It worked out for them that he turned into the player that earned that wage.

They're going to have to gamble like that and hope it pays off.

I disagree. It is just a big of a change as going from country QLD to the big smoke of Sydney, from the little towns of NZ to Brisbane. It is a big move for the tens of thousands of NSW/QLD expats that work on the mines and live in Perth, but that has not stopped them. There are also 10+ flights per day from east to west, and it is only a ~4hr flight home to Sydney, a town they will be playing in 5-10 times per year anyway.

Your argument is poor and has no substance

 

[Patorick]

Sydney to Darwin flight is five hours, how is a flight to Perth four?

 

[Panfas]

Sydney to Darwin flight is five hours, how is a flight to Perth four?

From Qantas website
05:45 Perth 11:50 Sydney
Duration: 4h 05m

Going from Sydey to Perth adds about 1hr to the trip
06:00 Sydney 09:10 Perth
Duration: 5h 10m

Going west > east is always faster than east > west

 

[BunniesMan]

I disagree. It is just a big of a change as going from country QLD to the big smoke of Sydney, from the little towns of NZ to Brisbane. It is a big move for the tens of thousands of NSW/QLD expats that work on the mines and live in Perth, but that has not stopped them. There are also 10+ flights per day from east to west, and it is only a ~4hr flight home to Sydney, a town they will be playing in 5-10 times per year anyway.

Your argument is poor and has no substance

Has no substance? The Cowboys struggle to recruit players from Sydney and SEQLD clubs. If they struggle Perth will have an even harder time.

P.S. A quick google search tells me it is a 5 hour 20 minute flight approx.

 

[Panfas]

P.S. A quick google search tells me it is a 5 hour 20 minute flight approx.

:crazy:

 

[dangerousdave]

Ignore him panfas...there's no use trying

 

[natheel]

Has no substance? The Cowboys struggle to recruit players from Sydney and SEQLD clubs. If they struggle Perth will have an even harder time.

P.S. A quick google search tells me it is a 5 hour 20 minute flight approx.

They didn't seem to have a hard time recruiting the likes of thurston, simsx2, ash graham, cooper, tonga(from dogs, Anthony Mitchell, plus more who were based in nsw or brissy.

They have alot of good juniors hence why they don't recruit much at the moment.

Plus nz recruit well and they're their own bloody country!

Also every club who goes for a player from another club will usually pay overs to some degree so I don't think it's going to be an issue

If I was a Sydney player the opportunity to play in a new franchise and over in an unknown league area would be a good opportunity

Less media
Opportunity to spread league across the country
Tight playing group
Surround yourself with footy and not worry about other things that Sydney guys have to worry about

 

[beads6]

Stuffs me why the Bears are not reinstated at the central coast. Facilities...huge junior base.

Because it isn't the best thing for the game. It also isn't going to help with getting a bigger tv deal. :crazy:

 

[Panfas]

They didn't seem to have a hard time recruiting the likes of thurston, simsx2, ash graham, cooper, tonga(from dogs, Anthony Mitchell, plus more who were based in nsw or brissy.

They have alot of good juniors hence why they don't recruit much at the moment.

Plus nz recruit well and they're their own bloody country!

Also every club who goes for a player from another club will usually pay overs to some degree so I don't think it's going to be an issue

If I was a Sydney player the opportunity to play in a new franchise and over in an unknown league area would be a good opportunity

Less media
Opportunity to spread league across the country
Tight playing group
Surround yourself with footy and not worry about other things that Sydney guys have to worry about

Exactly this ^^^

 

[dimitri]

...and back in 1995 the REDS didnt have any issues recruiting internationals such as Brad Mackay and Mark Geyer, or a dual DALLY M Winner like Mick Potter

and that was back in 1995!!!


:crazy:

 

[Perth Red]

plus as mentioned the opportunity for 3rd party deals in WA will be huge, especially for indigenous players (hear that Twiggy Forest is interested in a link up through his Wirapunda foundation). A weekend in our fair city will sell the Pirates to any potential player, especially if we can get a centre of excellence of the Govt like RU did.

 

[ellskimore]

They didn't seem to have a hard time recruiting the likes of thurston, simsx2, ash graham, cooper, tonga(from dogs, Anthony Mitchell, plus more who were based in nsw or brissy.

They have alot of good juniors hence why they don't recruit much at the moment.

Plus nz recruit well and they're their own bloody country!

Also every club who goes for a player from another club will usually pay overs to some degree so I don't think it's going to be an issue

If I was a Sydney player the opportunity to play in a new franchise and over in an unknown league area would be a good opportunity

Less media
Opportunity to spread league across the country
Tight playing group
Surround yourself with footy and not worry about other things that Sydney guys have to worry about

You have vanquished the idiot..... For now.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

They didn't seem to have a hard time recruiting the likes of thurston, simsx2, ash graham, cooper, tonga(from dogs, Anthony Mitchell, plus more who were based in nsw or brissy.

To be fair to bunniesman, Thurston had only played 29 games for the Dogs before being offered a fairly large contract from the Cows. Ash Graham was born in Cairns, so he had family reasons. The Broncos didn't want either Sims and the Cows offered both of them a contract (no other club did). Cooper started his career at the Cows. Tonga I conceed but by that time Thurston was there and both had played beside eachother... While players like Hall and Johnson were ones returning from uk super league.

So in reality it's been a combination of family and return home reasons for the majority of the players you mentioned going to the Cows. Bunnies man has a point. Still I love the cows

 

[gyallop]

The Cows do struggle to get the big names to head up there so the point I think is well made and I dont know that the 1995 signings support the argument.

The players were signed to Super League contracts and if your club wasnt SL the players didnt get much of say as to where they played and for the then money didnt much care. Mick Potter had retired, Brad Mackay had quit Saints as he was pissed with one B Smith ...fast track to the Roosters in 2012!!.....he got a release at the start of 1996 when they Reds juiced their players and Mark Geyer had been punted from the NSWRL and was playing in the bush when he signed as I recall those three players.

They will have to pay overs to get players at every level of player and like the Cows they need to get lucky with a JT early.

 

[natheel]

To be fair to bunniesman, Thurston had only played 29 games for the Dogs before being offered a fairly large contract from the Cows. Ash Graham was born in Cairns, so he had family reasons. The Broncos didn't want either Sims and the Cows offered both of them a contract (no other club did). Cooper started his career at the Cows. Tonga I conceed but by that time Thurston was there and both had played beside eachother... While players like Hall and Johnson were ones returning from uk super league.

So in reality it's been a combination of family and return home reasons for the majority of the players you mentioned going to the Cows. Bunnies man has a point. Still I love the cows

I know all those guys were qlders etc but my point was they still were able to get players away from Sydney/sth qld/brissy where BM was saying they struggle

Thurston was a massive up and comer though.

My point is all teams appeal to different players for different reasons. Hell we managed to get tahu all those years ago where he was settled in a quiet Newcastle but moved to the hustle and bustle of parra.

I just think Perth won't have a problem recruiting promising young players and a few big name ones like titans did

 

[BunniesMan]

The vast majority of those players were people going CLOSER to home like Prince. If the Tits were in Perth I bet they wouldn't have been able to sign the same amount of quality.

 

[Perth Red]

Think I'll worry about us getting the nod before I worry too much about who we'll sign!

 

[ellskimore]

The comparisons to North Queensland just seem irrelevant. I don't think I am stepping out of line at all here by suggesting that Perth would be considered a more livable place than Townsville. And I think it can easily be argued that this would weigh into the considerations of players signing elsewhere.
As Nath already said, outside clubs trying to stray players away from their team will for the most part have to pay overs anyway to lure them. In the long run I don't think Perth will struggle to lure players any more than New Zealand.

 

[Perth Red]

Looking at the Storm team that is our model but with more home grown players. Not one of the Storm squad is a big name signing from another club, majority are cast offs or players that have come through the Storm system or been scouted at a young age.

Would like to see us link up with PNG, wealth of talent there to be tapped into and would multiply our jnr pool ten fold overnight. We should offer 4 scholarships a year to the best png under 18's to join our SG Ball set up.

 

[Perth Red]

Possible starting line up, nice smattering of WA players, wouldn't drain current clubs talents too much and "dilute" the comp and could finish around 5th-8th imo.

1. Tomkins (Eng, SL)
2. Goodwin (Bulldogs, WA)
3. Charnley (Eng, SL)
4. Jennings (Panthers)
5. Briscoe (Eng, SL)
6. Holdsworth (Aus, SL, WA)
7. Dobson (Aus, SL)
8. Saffy (RU)
9. Roby (Eng, SL)
10. Taylor (Eng, SL)
11. Green (Cronulla, WA)
12. Paterson (Aus, SL, WA)
13. Bird (Titans)

These are our WA Jnrs playing Toyota Cup. Within 3-4 years some of these players may also be ready to come home to play first grade.

Joseph Napoletano, Justin Lemalu and Pat Murphy have gone into the Manly Sea Eagles' Toyota Cup squad, Jaline Graham and Dylan Rintoul to the Bulldogs, Curtis Rona is at the Roosters, while Halvor Harris is signed with North Queensland and Waqa Blake with Penrith.

Jake Busby, from North Beach juniors, made the WA under-18 and Combined Affiliated States teams and is now playing full-back in Manly's Toyota Cup side.

And the latest WA jnr to step up: Matt Boyce north beach to souths Logan magpies