Player Depth

[RL The greatest game]

In my opinion the game needs to double and even treble in some cases its junior development programs

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Development is the biggest concern

Not player depth

Since 2000 we have been in a RG v State Cups argument which is hurting development

Rather than saying it needs to leavee or needs to right

I suggest we need both answers
- NRL RG for professional players

and State Cups for part-time players

This addresses everyone's concerns

I think we should look to bringing back a 4 week U15s comp below Matts

Or return to the original trophies named

U21 Presidents Cup
U19 Flegg
U17 Ball
U15 Matts

How does that address eveyones concerns exactly?

A national RG is an unnecessary, expencive undertaking that is no longer relevant.

 

[Perth Red]

How does that address eveyones concerns exactly?

A national RG is an unnecessary, expencive undertaking that is no longer relevant.

Agreed, the millions it would cost the NRL for reserve are better spent getting more kids playing the game and increasing the depth of the pool so the cream at the top becomes deeper. HAving said that they are effectively already contributing to the current pseudo reserve grade as they are funding NSW and Qlnd cup teams a lot of money.

Problem as I see it is not every club has a pokie den so cant find $2-3mill a year to fund jnr programs, the model is flawed at the moment as responsibility is spread between clubs, pokie dens, state bodies and nrl with seemingly little cohesion or overall strategy. Better if clubs focused on 16 years and upwards and seriously funded elite programs in those age groups and left everything below that to the state bodies adequately funded by the ARLC with KPI's.

Also get rid of this reporting 'participation' nonsense. We don't care how many kids had a 1hour session at their school with a DO, we care about how many registered players there are playing in a comp week in and week out. Lets have some transparency around the stats.

 

[siv]

How does that address eveyones concerns exactly?

A national RG is an unnecessary, expencive undertaking that is no longer relevant.

The issue is not # of player but development of players

Part time development pathway where one team shares its players across 3 to 4 clubs has caused the demise in Qld

It is better that NRL contracted players 19 to 36 play in the same team

This is best achieved by playing a NRL RG on game day

Addresses a lot of development issues

 

[MugaB]

The issue is not # of player but development of players

Part time development pathway where one team shares its players across 3 to 4 clubs has caused the demise in Qld

It is better that NRL contracted players 19 to 36 play in the same team

This is best achieved by playing a NRL RG on game day

Addresses a lot of development issues

This... this mainly the reason why bronx have been shit the past 3 years... most clubs have one or two feeder teams, where the reserves can combine as a team, but if your lower tier players are stretched over 6 different clubs, getting any fluency in your team is goingto take a while

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting when you look at NFL there are only 6,500 kids playing Div1 college football of which around 250 a year get drafted into the NFL. I wonder how many 17-20 year old kids are playing RL in Australia and NZ? How many players make their 1st grade debut each year? Maybe rather than a reserve grade we really need to relook at what happens to 17-21 year old players as that is where it seems critical talent development is needed.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

If you’re not famous by fourteen, you’re finished.

 

[siv]

Interesting when you look at NFL there are only 6,500 kids playing Div1 college football of which around 250 a year get drafted into the NFL. I wonder how many 17-20 year old kids are playing RL in Australia and NZ? How many players make their 1st grade debut each year? Maybe rather than a reserve grade we really need to relook at what happens to 17-21 year old players as that is where it seems critical talent development is needed.

17-20 year olds fall into 2 grade levels U18 and U20

So in NSW and Qld there are around 24 clubs with around 20 man squads

So thats - 1000 before you start including hundreds of clubs across Australua who also field juniors teams at this level

So if its 200 teams by 2 grades at 20 players thats 8000 more

 

[Perth Red]

17-20 year olds fall into 2 grade levels U18 and U20

So in NSW and Qld there are around 24 clubs with around 20 man squads

So thats - 1000 before you start including hundreds of clubs across Australua who also field juniors teams at this level

So if its 200 teams by 2 grades at 20 players thats 8000 more

So going by NFL, and the fact they can service the needs of 32 clubs with just 6500 in that age group and 1500-2000 eligible for draft each year of which 256 get picked (only about 6% make it long term), it is clear the problem is not numbers but development. Add in another few '000's from NZ, PNG and UK options for players and it looks even more like the real problem lies in the current quality development systems, scouting and coaching.
Not in player depth due to registration numbers.

I'd suggest about 3-5 players a year graduate into a first grade squad. Across soon to be 17 teams thats only a max of 85 players a year we need to find. Depth really shouldn't be a problem!

 

[siv]

So going by NFL, and the fact they can service the needs of 32 clubs with just 6500 in that age group and 1500-2000 eligible for draft each year of which 256 get picked (only about 6% make it long term), it is clear the problem is not numbers but development. Add in another few '000's from NZ, PNG and UK options for players and it looks even more like the real problem lies in the current quality development systems, scouting and coaching.
Not in player depth due to registration numbers.

I'd suggest about 3-5 players a year graduate into a first grade squad. Across soon to be 17 teams thats only a max of 85 players a year we need to find. Depth really shouldn't be a problem!

Thats what I have saying

Development is the #1 issue

You see this with players and coaching

Everyone knows backs develop faster than forwards

There is a need for two development pathways. Professional which is 1 to 1 aligned with a NRL club

And partime player development aligned with State Cup clubs for late bloomers

 

[The Axe of Druss]

The issue is not # of player but development of players

Part time development pathway where one team shares its players across 3 to 4 clubs has caused the demise in Qld

It is better that NRL contracted players 19 to 36 play in the same team

This is best achieved by playing a NRL RG on game day

Addresses a lot of development issues

Well it's not "best achieved by playing a national RG" at all. It's cons far out weigh the pros and what you contribute to the downfall of the Broncos is countered by what the Storm have achieved while also having multiple feeder clubs.

Brisbane and Nth Qlds issue is not having their 19-30 spread across different feeder clubs, it's not keeping the good ones and letting them walk. Their recruitment and retainment teams are in question

 

[The_Frog]

Interesting when you look at NFL there are only 6,500 kids playing Div1 college football of which around 250 a year get drafted into the NFL. I wonder how many 17-20 year old kids are playing RL in Australia and NZ? How many players make their 1st grade debut each year? Maybe rather than a reserve grade we really need to relook at what happens to 17-21 year old players as that is where it seems critical talent development is needed.

What do you suggest be done with players who aren't first grade ready by 21? Show them the door? Players like Damien Cook, Cody Walker, Kurt Capewell and Scott Sorensen (to name a few) didn't hit their straps until well past their 25th birthday.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

bring back presidents cup, make it under 23s with a number of overage players allowed

 

[Perth Red]

What do you suggest be done with players who aren't first grade ready by 21? Show them the door? Players like Damien Cook, Cody Walker, Kurt Capewell and Scott Sorensen (to name a few) didn't hit their straps until well past their 25th birthday.

I guess they would go into Intrust or nsw cup to keep developing and hope to be scouted. Reality is majority of players are in an nrl system by 19 If they look good enough for first grade potential.

 

[siv]

Well it's not "best achieved by playing a national RG" at all. It's cons far out weigh the pros and what you contribute to the downfall of the Broncos is countered by what the Storm have achieved while also having multiple feeder clubs.

Brisbane and Nth Qlds issue is not having their 19-30 spread across different feeder clubs, it's not keeping the good ones and letting them walk. Their recruitment and retainment teams are in question

The thing is putting full-time professional players in part-time pathways has been proven to not work

Also by doing this the feeder arrangement you also create the mentality that players will leave your club. As staying loyal with your club/district is broken. So you find these players club hop much sooner

 

[MugaB]

What do you suggest be done with players who aren't first grade ready by 21? Show them the door? Players like Damien Cook, Cody Walker, Kurt Capewell and Scott Sorensen (to name a few) didn't hit their straps until well past their 25th birthday.

Maybe its because most of them floated around from club to club trying to nail down a 1st grade spot, and until they did, thats when those guys you have mentioned flourished, cody walker is a perfect example, Jamaal Fogarty is another, kurt Capewell, Sorenson.
Maybe more clubs thru expansion will see more quality players given a chance, at a younger age

 

[The Axe of Druss]

The thing is putting full-time professional players in part-time pathways has been proven to not work

Also by doing this the feeder arrangement you also create the mentality that players will leave your club. As staying loyal with your club/district is broken. So you find these players club hop much sooner

None of what youve just said has any truth to it at all

 

[siv]

None of what youve just said has any truth to it at all

Sounds like you dont watch player development and movements much

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Sounds like you dont watch player development and movements much

No i do and i think you have it very wrong

This isnt the 80s and 90s anymore. Clubs dont want to run a reggies system that costs them a packet and is no more effective than a feeder club in a statecup comp. The state teams, moreso in Qld, are very motivated to make this work as it keeps their brands alive as a comp wide reggie system would relegate them to 3rd teir.

The system works well when the NRL clubs work closely with their feeders. Just look at the Storm and how they have the Falcons and Tigers coaches regularly working with Bellamy and his guys. This is what is needed to develop good footballers

 

[jim_57]

Perfect opportunity for Dolphins to link with PNG Hunters as a “feeder” team and sign a few PNG players to the NRL squad.

PNG and Fiji have the potential to provide enough talent for another 3-4 NRL teams if they had decent pathways in place, not just an ad-hoc signing here and there.