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In my opinion the game needs to double and even treble in some cases its junior development programs
How does that address eveyones concerns exactly?Development is the biggest concern
Not player depth
Since 2000 we have been in a RG v State Cups argument which is hurting development
Rather than saying it needs to leavee or needs to right
I suggest we need both answers
- NRL RG for professional players
and State Cups for part-time players
This addresses everyone's concerns
I think we should look to bringing back a 4 week U15s comp below Matts
Or return to the original trophies named
U21 Presidents Cup
U19 Flegg
U17 Ball
U15 Matts
Agreed, the millions it would cost the NRL for reserve are better spent getting more kids playing the game and increasing the depth of the pool so the cream at the top becomes deeper. HAving said that they are effectively already contributing to the current pseudo reserve grade as they are funding NSW and Qlnd cup teams a lot of money.How does that address eveyones concerns exactly?
A national RG is an unnecessary, expencive undertaking that is no longer relevant.
The issue is not # of player but development of playersHow does that address eveyones concerns exactly?
A national RG is an unnecessary, expencive undertaking that is no longer relevant.
This... this mainly the reason why bronx have been shit the past 3 years... most clubs have one or two feeder teams, where the reserves can combine as a team, but if your lower tier players are stretched over 6 different clubs, getting any fluency in your team is goingto take a whileThe issue is not # of player but development of players
Part time development pathway where one team shares its players across 3 to 4 clubs has caused the demise in Qld
It is better that NRL contracted players 19 to 36 play in the same team
This is best achieved by playing a NRL RG on game day
Addresses a lot of development issues
Interesting when you look at NFL there are only 6,500 kids playing Div1 college football of which around 250 a year get drafted into the NFL. I wonder how many 17-20 year old kids are playing RL in Australia and NZ? How many players make their 1st grade debut each year? Maybe rather than a reserve grade we really need to relook at what happens to 17-21 year old players as that is where it seems critical talent development is needed.
So going by NFL, and the fact they can service the needs of 32 clubs with just 6500 in that age group and 1500-2000 eligible for draft each year of which 256 get picked (only about 6% make it long term), it is clear the problem is not numbers but development. Add in another few '000's from NZ, PNG and UK options for players and it looks even more like the real problem lies in the current quality development systems, scouting and coaching.17-20 year olds fall into 2 grade levels U18 and U20
So in NSW and Qld there are around 24 clubs with around 20 man squads
So thats - 1000 before you start including hundreds of clubs across Australua who also field juniors teams at this level
So if its 200 teams by 2 grades at 20 players thats 8000 more
So going by NFL, and the fact they can service the needs of 32 clubs with just 6500 in that age group and 1500-2000 eligible for draft each year of which 256 get picked (only about 6% make it long term), it is clear the problem is not numbers but development. Add in another few '000's from NZ, PNG and UK options for players and it looks even more like the real problem lies in the current quality development systems, scouting and coaching.
Not in player depth due to registration numbers.
I'd suggest about 3-5 players a year graduate into a first grade squad. Across soon to be 17 teams thats only a max of 85 players a year we need to find. Depth really shouldn't be a problem!
Well it's not "best achieved by playing a national RG" at all. It's cons far out weigh the pros and what you contribute to the downfall of the Broncos is countered by what the Storm have achieved while also having multiple feeder clubs.The issue is not # of player but development of players
Part time development pathway where one team shares its players across 3 to 4 clubs has caused the demise in Qld
It is better that NRL contracted players 19 to 36 play in the same team
This is best achieved by playing a NRL RG on game day
Addresses a lot of development issues
What do you suggest be done with players who aren't first grade ready by 21? Show them the door? Players like Damien Cook, Cody Walker, Kurt Capewell and Scott Sorensen (to name a few) didn't hit their straps until well past their 25th birthday.Interesting when you look at NFL there are only 6,500 kids playing Div1 college football of which around 250 a year get drafted into the NFL. I wonder how many 17-20 year old kids are playing RL in Australia and NZ? How many players make their 1st grade debut each year? Maybe rather than a reserve grade we really need to relook at what happens to 17-21 year old players as that is where it seems critical talent development is needed.
I guess they would go into Intrust or nsw cup to keep developing and hope to be scouted. Reality is majority of players are in an nrl system by 19 If they look good enough for first grade potential.What do you suggest be done with players who aren't first grade ready by 21? Show them the door? Players like Damien Cook, Cody Walker, Kurt Capewell and Scott Sorensen (to name a few) didn't hit their straps until well past their 25th birthday.
The thing is putting full-time professional players in part-time pathways has been proven to not workWell it's not "best achieved by playing a national RG" at all. It's cons far out weigh the pros and what you contribute to the downfall of the Broncos is countered by what the Storm have achieved while also having multiple feeder clubs.
Brisbane and Nth Qlds issue is not having their 19-30 spread across different feeder clubs, it's not keeping the good ones and letting them walk. Their recruitment and retainment teams are in question
Maybe its because most of them floated around from club to club trying to nail down a 1st grade spot, and until they did, thats when those guys you have mentioned flourished, cody walker is a perfect example, Jamaal Fogarty is another, kurt Capewell, Sorenson.What do you suggest be done with players who aren't first grade ready by 21? Show them the door? Players like Damien Cook, Cody Walker, Kurt Capewell and Scott Sorensen (to name a few) didn't hit their straps until well past their 25th birthday.
None of what youve just said has any truth to it at allThe thing is putting full-time professional players in part-time pathways has been proven to not work
Also by doing this the feeder arrangement you also create the mentality that players will leave your club. As staying loyal with your club/district is broken. So you find these players club hop much sooner
Sounds like you dont watch player development and movements muchNone of what youve just said has any truth to it at all
No i do and i think you have it very wrongSounds like you dont watch player development and movements much