Populations in RL areas

[langpark]

Here is a little something I put together a little while back, out of boredom, curiosity and procrastination. I used wiki and sometimes didn't know which figure to use (ie, city population and greater metropolitan area etc). I tried to cover every place that has a team in SL, CL and C1 divisions, but maybe forgot some...



Barrow – 59,182
Batley – 49,448
Bradford – 293,717
Castleford – 37,525
Doncaster – 67,977
Featherstone – 14,175
Gateshead – 78,403
Halifax – 82,056
Huddersfield – 146,234
Hunslet – 59,877
Keighley – 74,098
Kingston (Hull) – 258,700
Leeds – 787,700
Leigh – 43,006
Rochdale – 95,796
Salford – 221,300
Sheffield – 534,500
St Helens – 102,629
Swinton –
York - 195,400
Warrington – 196,200
Wakefield – 76,886
Whitehaven – 25,032
Widnes – 53,410
Wigan – 81,203
Workington – 24,298
Wrexham - 42,576

 

[hutch]

London?

 

[Evil Homer]

You've also missed a couple of others such as Oldham and Neath. The thing about this is that it's difficult to make the distinction between metropolitan boroughs, cities and whatever, it varies from place to place because of history so it's pretty difficult to make a standardised list like that. For example, there's no way that Hunslet is comparable to Doncaster, Hunslet is an area in Leeds whereas Doncaster is a large town, and there are quite a few similar anomalies on that list.

 

[PacificCoastRL]

LP, What are you hoping to accomplish with this list? I'm not trying to be glib - just wondering what you are using this list for. I do this type of thing from time-to-time for a variety of reasons.

 

[langpark]

didn't bother with London...

Swinton and Oldham were difficult to get figures, Neath I guess I forgot...

 

[bazza]

didn't bother with London...

Swinton and Oldham were difficult to get figures, Neath I guess I forgot...

Oldham borough has population of about 219k
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Borough_of_Oldham

Swinton is within Salford

 

[Evil Homer]

Oldham borough has population of about 219k
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Borough_of_Oldham

Swinton is within Salford

There's no way Oldham is bigger than Wigan or Doncaster, but it looks that way here because you've used the borough population rather than the town proper. It's probably better in most cases to use the borough population, but equally these often reflect a region rather than a specific town or city so you end up with stupid results like Manchester being smaller than Bradford. There's no standardized way of measuring the populations of English places.

 

[WireMan]

Oldham borough has population of about 219k
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Borough_of_Oldham

Swinton is within Salford

With the proposed new boundary changes isn't Swinton going into Leigh or something?

The nice parts of Salford are moving into Manchester (Manchester Quays, Manchester Media City etc.).


I also don't see Warrington being two and a half times the size of Wigan, nearly twice as big as St Helens and nearly 4 times the size of Widnes. It would explain why those places still resemble small pit villages with no prospects, but i still don't think they are right.

 

[roughyedspud]

There's no way Oldham is bigger than Wigan or Doncaster, but it looks that way here because you've used the borough population rather than the town proper. It's probably better in most cases to use the borough population, but equally these often reflect a region rather than a specific town or city so you end up with stupid results like Manchester being smaller than Bradford. There's no standardized way of measuring the populations of English places.

according to the 2001 census - town & borough

oldham - 103,544 & 219,700
wigan - 81,203 & 309,000
doncaster - 67,977 & 286,886


so oldham is technically bigger...but the metropolitan borough is smaller

 

[VictoryFC]

Here's a tip: don't bother trying to do any kind of population based list on England. Its a total waste of time. Reason being is because the data are so varied that it ruins the continuity of any list. Conurbation, urban, metro, city, borough...too much wanking around. Any there is no one set for any of those. For example, you stated there that Wigan has 81k. In reality its more like 200k. Their boundaries are a nightmare.

And why isn't London included? Ex-Quins and Skolars count surely? They are as relevant as many of those towns you named.

 

[Johnny_L_O]

Leeds is spot on. Hopefully a win on Saturday will boost the attendances back above the 15.5k it's at now.

 

[deluded pom?]

But does the Leeds number include Hunslet? If it does then Hunslet's figure should be the same as Leeds'.

 

[bobmar28]

What's a borough?

 

[WireMan]

What's a borough?

There are lots of small towns and villages in the UK. These are in boroughs of larger towns or cities. Therefore it inflates the population of a town.

For example, Newton-Le-Willows is a seperate town but is not big enough to have its own council so is run from St Helens. Hence its in the borough of St Helens. So St Helens population looks bigger than it really is. But when looking at size of rugby towns to get fan potential, if your Newton your not from St Helens so its misleading.
(Worse thing to ever happen to that town btw. Earlstown has been run down a stupid amount by St Helens council, but thats a different story and probably involves a rant about council leaders, but hey ho.)

So basically a Borough is a 'greater town'. Gtr St Helens (The borough of St Helens) includes Newton, Earlstown and a few other places, Gtr Wigan has Haydock, Lowton, Leigh etc.

A bigger (and probaly easier) example is Gtr Manchester. That has Manchesters pop. including Salford, Wigan, Oldham etc. So its massive, but also a bit misleading to where loyalties of its people are and the actual pop of Manc).


Just to make it more fun you get places like Lowton which was part of Warrington, but then switches to Wigan, and Golbourne which goes the other way. Its all on geography and population levels, meaning the populations quoted are probably wrong and cannot be compared ot any other point in history. Plus no one really knows (or cares) where they are. and it changes all the time.

 

[nadera78]

Also, in London and other cities, a borough is an administrative part of the city as a whole. So London is organised into 32 boroughs, each with an elected local authority. And then there is the Greater London Authority on top of that.

Effectively a borough is a local authority unit. It just varies in different parts of the country.

 

[roughyedspud]

What's a borough?

a town and the suburbs around it

anyone else think oldham looks like australia? lol



if only lol



oh hang on i'm racist towards australia apparently so i should'nt wish that lol

 

[RedVee]

Q on London.
The team(s) has been "placed" in various places over the years from the Fulham start. What is/was the "best" London locale for a ESL Rugby League team in London?

 

[Evil Homer]

Q on London.
The team(s) has been "placed" in various places over the years from the Fulham start. What is/was the "best" London locale for a ESL Rugby League team in London?

They haven't really found a successful one yet, partially because they have moved so much but also because prior to about 2003 the club didn't really make any attempt to engage the local people for some reason. The current area is probably one of the worst possible, since it's the only part of London that can really be considered RU heartland. To be honest, the best thing would probably be if the RL club could get their own stadium in an area with relatively little local sporting representation. The fact that they have moved so much and not really set down roots anywhere means it's difficult to say really which particular area would be the best.

 

[nadera78]

They haven't really found a successful one yet, partially because they have moved so much but also because prior to about 2003 the club didn't really make any attempt to engage the local people for some reason. The current area is probably one of the worst possible, since it's the only part of London that can really be considered RU heartland. To be honest, the best thing would probably be if the RL club could get their own stadium in an area with relatively little local sporting representation. The fact that they have moved so much and not really set down roots anywhere means it's difficult to say really which particular area would be the best.

Pretty much. London is a very difficult nut to crack. The only sport here that counts at all is soccer. The club has consistently made mistakes but then a lot of things have happened to it that weren't their fault. Bottom line is, the club needs big financial input and consistency of approach, and it's never really had them both at the same time. Richard Branson chucked money at it and expected people to just turn up. Dave Hughes has worked hard at development but without the money Branson spent. It needs both. And a lot of patience.

 

[bobmar28]

There are lots of small towns and villages in the UK. These are in boroughs of larger towns or cities. Therefore it inflates the population of a town.

For example, Newton-Le-Willows is a seperate town but is not big enough to have its own council so is run from St Helens. Hence its in the borough of St Helens. So St Helens population looks bigger than it really is. But when looking at size of rugby towns to get fan potential, if your Newton your not from St Helens so its misleading.
(Worse thing to ever happen to that town btw. Earlstown has been run down a stupid amount by St Helens council, but thats a different story and probably involves a rant about council leaders, but hey ho.)

So basically a Borough is a 'greater town'. Gtr St Helens (The borough of St Helens) includes Newton, Earlstown and a few other places, Gtr Wigan has Haydock, Lowton, Leigh etc.

A bigger (and probaly easier) example is Gtr Manchester. That has Manchesters pop. including Salford, Wigan, Oldham etc. So its massive, but also a bit misleading to where loyalties of its people are and the actual pop of Manc).


Just to make it more fun you get places like Lowton which was part of Warrington, but then switches to Wigan, and Golbourne which goes the other way. Its all on geography and population levels, meaning the populations quoted are probably wrong and cannot be compared ot any other point in history. Plus no one really knows (or cares) where they are. and it changes all the time.

Sounds a bit like what we call suburbs.

For instance Liverpool is a suburb of Sydney but Liverpool city council area has many suburbs.