Pre Season Game 2 V West Tigers Game Assessment

[hindy111]

I thought Penisini was crap. I’ve never really rated him. Russell was exceptional. He would be my winger in round 1. I won’t say anything yet because I haven’t seen him play with Moses but there will be calls for Lomax to play on the wing before round 10.

Greig was crap. Loved how Williams played. Ryles Smith should get a top 30
Spot. He deserves it. The less said about Lussick the better. Volkman crashed down back to earth. Kelma is a lazy merkin around the edges.

Iongi will be our rookie of the year if not the entire NRL.

I agree with most except Penisini. I thought he was our best back. Yes Iongi had 2 magic moments but Will was a powerhouse carting it up with tough carries. Lomax did nothing. Not that its a big deal. Just a fitness run for him.

 

[the phantom menace]

I'm usually critical of Penisini (when he's had so much smoke blown up his arse during his brief career), but I had no problem with his efforts in defence or attack (however limited we were) last night.

I too thought he was our best back alongside/just behind Iongi, and was quite reassured he'll be back to bringing his best this season.

 

[hindy111]

Possitives for me -

Iongi - Has more class then I expected. I didn't know he could pass like that.

Peninisi - Power house and made so many tough carries.

Morretti - Ran hard and has developed a nice offload

R.Smith - I mean he looks like a genuine NRL prospect in a position we need.

W.Latu - Short stint but he has enough to work with

J.Williams - Hits like a hammer

Tuivati - Much closer to NRL then I imagined. He could debut later this year.


Negatives -

Guymer - Defense was ok but he got belted to often hitting it up. Impossible to know what his ceiling is at this stage or if he is ready for week in week out NRL.

Kelma - Terrible game. For me he is nothing more then a bench impact player.

J.Tago - Thought he was better. Awfully game

Grieg - Still slow in defense.


It's hard to gauge seasoned players like Matto,Lomax etc. For them it is a training/ fitness run. They know how to get their bodies right for the season.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Gee I reckon some are being way to critical on the players, just improving our completion rate goes a long way to fixing a lot of the issues mentioned. We completed at 63% had 43% of the ball.

We won't have trouble scoring points this year - even this game showed we wouldn't, when ever we held the ball attacking the tigers line, we scored. We looked pretty good.

The key was defence, and apart from a couple of individual misses, I thought it showed signs of improvement.

Interesting stat, our run metres were 1343 m / 142 runs, 9.46 m per run. While the tigers were 1680 / 191, 8.8 m per run. Good signs.

Overall , the boys will be better for the hit out. And we will improve/learn from it.

 

[Pazza]

Gee I reckon some are being way to critical on the players, just improving our completion rate goes a long way to fixing a lot of the issues mentioned. We completed at 63% had 43% of the ball.

We won't have trouble scoring points this year - even this game showed we wouldn't, when ever we held the ball attacking the tigers line, we scored. We looked pretty good.

The key was defence, and apart from a couple of individual misses, I thought it showed signs of improvement.

Interesting stat, our run metres were 1343 m / 142 runs, 9.46 m per run. While the tigers were 1680 / 191, 8.8 m per run. Good signs.

Overall , the boys will be better for the hit out. And we will improve/learn from it.

i do like that the edges didnt looked panicked facing an overlap like they have over the course of the last few years

 

[Sensei Cobra]

Harsh on Will, thought he made some really tough carries early out of trouble.

Bit of a make or break year for him but I thought it was a solid start.

Agree thought Will was strong along with Russell

 

[84 Baby]

They’ve just been trial games so the only things I think can gauge where we are at fundamentals and effort.

Spine is 3/4 obvious with Hands likely the hooker. Of the 3 weve seen in trials (and I don’t think we can doubt Moses either), fundamentals and effort are fine. Will be interesting to see who we carry on bench.

Backline is likely obvious for round 1. Russell and Simonsson will duke it out at full strength. Basics and effort were fine for Russell, Wenisini & Lomax. Fundamentals were ok from Tago but I found his effort lacking. His likely competition in Samrani, AMS & Renisini were the reverse with good effort but lacking in some fundamentals. With two higher choice backs missing, this is just the reality of squad make up/back ups. We just need whoever to do a job for 2-4 weeks.

Middle forwards there is heaps of competition. Most of players had good fundamentals and effort. I’d expect Paulo to still be first choice, along with Hopgood, Ofahengaue, Williams. Matterson too but there was some laziness the other night from him. Everyone else will come down to actual skill and fitness but from trials there is a lot of pressure for those other five to perform.

Edge forward has always been my biggest concern. I don’t think we have a definite starter. Based purely on trials, Latu is the best but starting him with already so many newcomers and rookies in side is a lot of pressure. Moretti is probably distant second but mental effort was bit lacking and he’s more a combo forward so best case he’s a bit part edge forward. Tualagi & Kautoga can be beasts with the ball but they’ve got the Penis Torpedos and their efforts in defence weren’t good enough. Based on trials Cartwright is behind them and Doorey I think unfortunately is done as an NRL player. I think the starters will probably be Tualagi & Cartwright, they may not be great defenders but we may be able to squeeze some good offence out of them, with Moretti on bench, he may not be better defensively on edge but he’ll at least try.
That last bench spot is completely up for grabs. Smith I think has probably done the most. Either him or any of the other middle forwards and then Williams is also rotated on the edge.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

They’ve just been trial games so the only things I think can gauge where we are at fundamentals and effort.

Spine is 3/4 obvious with Hands likely the hooker. Of the 3 weve seen in trials (and I don’t think we can doubt Moses either), fundamentals and effort are fine. Will be interesting to see who we carry on bench.

Backline is likely obvious for round 1. Russell and Simonsson will duke it out at full strength. Basics and effort were fine for Russell, Wenisini & Lomax. Fundamentals were ok from Tago but I found his effort lacking. His likely competition in Samrani, AMS & Renisini were the reverse with good effort but lacking in some fundamentals. With two higher choice backs missing, this is just the reality of squad make up/back ups. We just need whoever to do a job for 2-4 weeks.

Middle forwards there is heaps of competition. Most of players had good fundamentals and effort. I’d expect Paulo to still be first choice, along with Hopgood, Ofahengaue, Williams. Matterson too but there was some laziness the other night from him. Everyone else will come down to actual skill and fitness but from trials there is a lot of pressure for those other five to perform.

Edge forward has always been my biggest concern. I don’t think we have a definite starter. Based purely on trials, Latu is the best but starting him with already so many newcomers and rookies in side is a lot of pressure. Moretti is probably distant second but mental effort was bit lacking and he’s more a combo forward so best case he’s a bit part edge forward. Tualagi & Kautoga can be beasts with the ball but they’ve got the Penis Torpedos and their efforts in defence weren’t good enough. Based on trials Cartwright is behind them and Doorey I think unfortunately is done as an NRL player. I think the starters will probably be Tualagi & Cartwright, they may not be great defenders but we may be able to squeeze some good offence out of them, with Moretti on bench, he may not be better defensively on edge but he’ll at least try.
That last bench spot is completely up for grabs. Smith I think has probably done the most. Either him or any of the other middle forwards and then Williams is also rotated on the edge.

I think Doorey will surprise this year, I thought he did ok. And will improve, with his move into the middle.

I know he missed a tackle for a try, and he needs to make it, to be a regular NRL player. But he was the only middle there, to even attempt a tackle.

He is probably fighting with Moretti for a spot. Moretti had 2 nice offloads, and no missed tackles, so is being rated as having a decent trial.

But as suggested, doesn't work hard enough.

Looking at the stats, Moretti/Doorey played similar mins it appears, Doorey was the harder worker.

Doorey 11 runs / 115 m (3rd best/most of the forwards), 28 Tackles (5th best for the night) at 93% (better then Williams/Matterson, just behind Hopgood at 94%)

Moretti 9 runs / 86 m, 13 Tackles at 100%

Moretti didn't even make half the tackles Doorey did.

stats wise, Doorey was close to our best.

Doorey always made good metres on the edge but did have some defensive problems (more mobility). But in the middle, it's less of an issue.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Doorey is a reserve grader at best if he plays more then 5 games we are in massive trouble.

Got no idea why we gave him another 2 years another puzzling extension that didn't make sense at the time.

I assume he took a pay cut for the extra year but that's not the point.

It clogs up top 30 spots with garbage you dont want to be using

 

[Pazza]

Doorey always made good metres on the edge but did have some defensive problems (more mobility). But in the middle, it's less of an issue.

he could work as a turnstile at parramatta station

 

[King-Gutho94]

Trial results mean jack shit.

There were some concerns for mine heading into the season

But i reckon we will put a number on the tigers in round 2 in front of a sold out Commbank stadium.

That performance has just given us extra motivation and a chance for Ryles to rip into the lads and make them accountable

Bryce Cartwright looks like a man that may be ready to go to Leeds and try his luck in the Super League.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

he could work as a turnstile at parramatta station

He missed 2 tackles, Williams missed 3 tackles, Hopgood/Matterson 2 each, all 3 have shit load more experience in the middle at NRL level then Doorey, who is only just moving into the middle position.

 

[King-Gutho94]

he could work as a turnstile at parramatta station

We've had plenty over the years no wonder we are building a metro station in parramatta now for some extra ones we have run out of them for the main station.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Doorey is a reserve grader at best if he plays more then 5 games we are in massive trouble.

Got no idea why we gave him another 2 years another puzzling extension that didn't make sense at the time.

I assume he took a pay cut for the extra year but that's not the point.

It clogs up top 30 spots with garbage you dont want to be using

Let's bookmark this, and see how he does after 26 rounds. I reckon he will surprise, if can remain injury free.

 

[JokerEel]

Doorey is a reserve grader at best if he plays more then 5 games we are in massive trouble.

Got no idea why we gave him another 2 years another puzzling extension that didn't make sense at the time.

I assume he took a pay cut for the extra year but that's not the point.

It clogs up top 30 spots with garbage you dont want to be using

100% this Doorey isn't playing first grade unless we have alot of injuries.

If he is in the middle even Toni Mateale is better than him.

 

[JokerEel]

He missed 2 tackles, Williams missed 3 tackles, Hopgood/Matterson 2 each, all 3 have shit load more experience in the middle at NRL level then Doorey, who is only just moving into the middle position.

Where and when were these tackles missed though. Missed tackles is the most meaningless stat unless you watched that game.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Where and when were these tackles missed though. Missed tackles is the most meaningless stat unless you watched that game.

Of course, also the harder a player works the more chance of a missed tackle.

Applying more context to missed tackles - The Rugby League Eye Test

In addition to the work shown last week for Expected Run Metres version 2.0, I also put some work during the off season around finding a way to evaluating players defensively. For quite some time I’ve wanted to find a better way to measure defensive performance beyond just missed and made...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

"as you must be in a position to make a tackle to miss one"

go back and watch the actual try, tell me how many middles there were, supporting Doorey for the try? He was the only middle from the back dot, on his side. He pushed up. Yes he should have stopped it, but he was the only one working hard enough to be in position.

Anyhow, my point is his work rate for a middle appears to be pretty good after one game. His attack has always been decent. He will get better with more games.

 

[JokerEel]

Of course, also the harder a player works the more chance of a missed tackle.

Applying more context to missed tackles - The Rugby League Eye Test

In addition to the work shown last week for Expected Run Metres version 2.0, I also put some work during the off season around finding a way to evaluating players defensively. For quite some time I’ve wanted to find a better way to measure defensive performance beyond just missed and made...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

"as you must be in a position to make a tackle to miss one"

go back and watch the actual try, tell me how many middles there were, supporting Doorey for the try? He was the only middle from the back dot, on his side. He pushed up. Yes he should have stopped, but he was the only one working hard enough to be in position.

Not generally..

His missed tackle was pretty poor especially the initial contact. Though the Kelman Matto missed tackles were worse

But I am not going to hand him out because of that missed tackle though it's the years of playing in reserves.amd never taking his chance or improving enough to get a look in.

 

[the phantom menace]

Doorey's missed tackle for the try was a bad miss, you just have to make those tackles in first grade NRL.

I was dirty on him for that. an the rest of his effort/contribution in the game probably brought him back to a neutral ("meh") rating for mine. I think he's a Cup starter, as he was last year.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think Doorey will surprise this year, I thought he did ok. And will improve, with his move into the middle.

I know he missed a tackle for a try, and he needs to make it, to be a regular NRL player. But he was the only middle there, to even attempt a tackle.

He is probably fighting with Moretti for a spot. Moretti had 2 nice offloads, and no missed tackles, so is being rated as having a decent trial.

But as suggested, doesn't work hard enough.

Looking at the stats, Moretti/Doorey played similar mins it appears, Doorey was the harder worker.

Doorey 11 runs / 115 m (3rd best/most of the forwards), 28 Tackles (5th best for the night) at 93% (better then Williams/Matterson, just behind Hopgood at 94%)

Moretti 9 runs / 86 m, 13 Tackles at 100%

Moretti didn't even make half the tackles Doorey did.

stats wise, Doorey was close to our best.

Doorey always made good metres on the edge but did have some defensive problems (more mobility). But in the middle, it's less of an issue.

Yeah I reckon Doorey is a smokey to be a regular off the bench. He’s always been powerful but just lacked the agility for edge defence. I assumed he didn’t work hard enough for the middle but he went hard in this last trial. If he can play like that every week he might become a first grader.