Proposed side next round

[Rabbits20]

R20,Cartwright absolutely destroyed us. We had no answer. Deadset future International.

I know.

Currently we just don't gave back rowers who can do what Cartwright does.

Our back rowers don't make anywhere near enough metres.


Grevsmuhl needs to be getting more minutes and needs to start as he can make lots of metres, line breaks and offload the ball. Also Grevsmuhl is good at finding the try line.

 

[Rabbits20]

I expect to see the same 'almost first graders' getting a run. Running the same boring old game plan.

Guys like Lowe, McQueen, Reddy, Clarke. Someone passed the ball to Clarke coming on the burst, ten metres from the Penrith try line, gees I nearly fell off the lounge, no one should ever pass Clarke the ball ten metres from the opposition try line. He got tackled eight metres short. Christ I laughed, tried to replay the game so I could see who the fool was but the game was live.


I gotta think Reynolds' leg is not right and I think McGuire has Keary running all the attack because AR is just so 'out of it'.

Boy I'd like to see some one new in the team like maybe Carter.

When Johnston has filled in as fullback he hasn't scored a try for Souths or stopped a try being scored against Souths - some fullback.

Some said give McInnes a 'run on' start. I say give him the flick and give Cody Walker a start. Haven't ST George dodged a bullet with this guy Mcinnes.

Reddy won't be there when GI is back. Reddy was solid last night though.

When Clark kept getting the ball 10m out my reaction was completely different to yours. My face was going beetroot red and my ears. Also when Reynolds kept kicking the ball on the third tackle with grubbers straight to Penrith geez I was burning up with utter frustration.

For me that was just a painful game to watch, it felt unbearable and was so annoying but as always I watched the full 80mins regardless of how we are playing.

Good point on Adam I think he isn't running much attack as his knee isn't the best which makes him lack a bit of confidence and probably plays on his mind in matches.

As for Cody Walker let's bring him on the interchange and if Reynolds is not playing well hook him for Cody or if Issac isn't playing well move Keary to hooker and put Cody in the halves with Adam to show what he's got. Some of the guys in the team are too comfortable and putting Cody on the bench could get Reynolds and Issac playing better as they have to earn their spot in the run on team otherwise they know that they will start on the bench with Cody starting.

I was against us putting Cody on the interchange but now I think we need to do it. However Madge is conservative and I don't think he will do this unfortunately.

Apparently Cody is good in attack so give him a go as we are struggling to score tries. We need some X factor and Cody could provide that by playing 25-30mins off the bench to show what he's got.

 

[Mr Spock!]

We've been smashed by the Eels, Tigers and Panthers who have been more or less rubbish.

The fact is they're really lifting against Souths. The Tigers haven't come out like that against anyone all year.

Maybe we're not as switched on.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Reynolds was playing well before his injuries.

Give him time.

 

[doyen]

I think Keary is a halfback firstly rather than a 5/8 & he's a better prospect than AR in that posse,IMO!

He only needs to pick up his kicking game a bit.He's quick,smart,courageous & will take the line on.Cody Walker needs a go at 5/8,his preferred posse.

I'd send AR back to the Bears until he is fitter & more confident.

In the meantime the Walker/Keary combo could be a masterstroke--who knows!!

 

[Rabbits20]

I think Keary is a halfback firstly rather than a 5/8 & he's a better prospect than AR in that posse,IMO!

He only needs to pick up his kicking game a bit.He's quick,smart,courageous & will take the line on.Cody Walker needs a go at 5/8,his preferred posse.

I'd send AR back to the Bears until he is fitter & more confident.

In the meantime the Walker/Keary combo could be a masterstroke--who knows!!

Cody needs a go off the bench first. I've spoken about this a few posts above in depth.

Adam won't be dropped back to the Bears. Adam is a premiership winning halfback and without him we definitely wouldn't have won our 21st premiership.

Adam has had plenty of time out of the game so deserves a chance to find his feet.

To drop Adam out of the team altogether is ludicrous and if that happened I would say that Souths had completely lost the plot.

Every player goes through a form slump and Adam will come out the other side.

Talk of dropping Adam just angers me so much.

We play Adam at 7 and if he isn't performing you bring on Cody off the bench. I am fine with this but Adam must continue to be our starting halfback.

There is a zero percent chance that Madge will play Adam at Norths.

 

[DiegoNT]

The last 2 weeks George hasn't knocked the ball on and has made about 150m on both those weeks. George is lifting his game imo. George made 37 tackles last night with 0 missed.

Tom in comparison the last 3-4 weeks is really struggling compared to George. He is knocking the ball on too much. He made a couple of breaks last night but has been poor apart from that.

Clark making 5 for 41 m last night isn't good enough. In most games Clark plays he doesn't make more than 40m which is a big problem.

Tyrrell has been down on form and has been struggling to make more than 60m-70m a game.

McQueen just goes missing on the field too much. McQueen doesn't make enough metres. In most game McQueen only makes about 60-70m. McQueen keeps giving silly penalties away regularly too.

Lowe gets through a heap of work in defence but is slow in attack. Imo Madge has Lowe there to get through 30-35 tackles and knows Lowe won't offer anything in attack.

Imo McQueen, Tyrrell, Clark aren't doing enough of the shit work they are all under performing and making zero impact.

Actually on McQueen again he has 1 good game every 5 weeks which is unacceptable.

It's never a simple case of player A makes 100m, player b makes 70m therefore player A is better

tyrell makes more early tackle count hit ups, usually against a more compact defensive lines that are on the front foot. Even last year tyrell rarely ran for 100m+ But his shit work enabled the likes of George to get the ball as he liked it, and he was able to provide real punch. Even when when mcqueen was picked for origin he wasn't having many 100m+ games he is a role player, mainly for block plays. These guys are still doing their roles, the shit work, they aren't far off their peak level, the big difference this year is we have no teo or sam and George is way down on form. Last year he was bumping guys off, he'd make a surging 20m run to get us out of trouble, getting fast play the balls, physically intimidating the opposition, getting game breaking tries, none of this is happening this year, and the error rate is rising. He is on a lot of money to be our forward leader and his not there yet. He might be getting 150m a game, but it's a lot different to the 150m he was getting last year

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Cody won't play first grade at Souths this year. Or next.

 

[rabbitohs95]

I expect to see the same 'almost first graders' getting a run. Running the same boring old game plan.

Guys like Lowe, McQueen, Reddy, Clarke. Someone passed the ball to Clarke coming on the burst, ten metres from the Penrith try line, gees I nearly fell off the lounge, no one should ever pass Clarke the ball ten metres from the opposition try line. He got tackled eight metres short. Christ I laughed, tried to replay the game so I could see who the fool was but the game was live.


I gotta think Reynolds' leg is not right and I think McGuire has Keary running all the attack because AR is just so 'out of it'.

Boy I'd like to see some one new in the team like maybe Carter.

When Johnston has filled in as fullback he hasn't scored a try for Souths or stopped a try being scored against Souths - some fullback.

Some said give McInnes a 'run on' start. I say give him the flick and give Cody Walker a start. Haven't ST George dodged a bullet with this guy Mcinnes.

In the game against the Titans he scored the winning try and prevented one that would've drawn the game.

I think everyone's being too harsh on AJ. He's predominantly been playing on the wing (Yes I understand he's had his time in the juniors but it is so different compared to first grade) and all of a sudden everyone expects him to be a superstar every time he's put in the #1 jersey. Our expectations are way too high because we have GI there. I do agree he wasn't great last night but if you give AJ some time and he'll prove you doubters wrong.

 

[hurricane57]

We've been smashed by the Eels, Tigers and Panthers who have been more or less rubbish.

The fact is they're really lifting against Souths. The Tigers haven't come out like that against anyone all year.

Maybe we're not as switched on.

I can't remember but are the Eels, Tigers and Panthers games the games when GI wasn't playing for Souths because of SOO bullshit commitments.
I'm sure we have looked dismal in each game GI had to stand down, co incidentally haha, where these the games when Johnston filled in for GI.

 

[hurricane57]

In the game against the Titans he scored the winning try and prevented one that would've drawn the game.

I think everyone's being too harsh on AJ. He's predominantly been playing on the wing (Yes I understand he's had his time in the juniors but it is so different compared to first grade) and all of a sudden everyone expects him to be a superstar every time he's put in the #1 jersey. Our expectations are way too high because we have GI there. I do agree he wasn't great last night but if you give AJ some time and he'll prove you doubters wrong.

Don't remember the Titans incidents that you mention, I do remember something about Roberts' superior speed standing up Goodwin and Johnston.
I'm not arguing with you about your statement re Johnston scoring the winning try and saving a try that would have equaled the score - can't remember.

I do disagree about ' everyone's being too harsh on AJ'.
If AJ didn't play fullback people wouldn't point out his weaknesses as fullback.
If you recall I'm the guy who said 'wingers are a dime a dozen, if AJ wants more money let him go - we'll get another one'. I haven't changed my mind, with AJ or any other winger.

 

[rabbitohs95]

Don't remember the Titans incidents that you mention, I do remember something about Roberts' superior speed standing up Goodwin and Johnston.
I'm not arguing with you about your statement re Johnston scoring the winning try and saving a try that would have equaled the score - can't remember.

I do disagree about ' everyone's being too harsh on AJ'.
If AJ didn't play fullback people wouldn't point out his weaknesses as fullback.
If you recall I'm the guy who said 'wingers are a dime a dozen, if AJ wants more money let him go - we'll get another one'. I haven't changed my mind, with AJ or any other winger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lgR_RFoW0 - Here are the highlights mate.

I agree with you that he's a great winger, it's a simple position and he's a very smart footy player.

I think he's being a big overawed playing fullback at the moment. The only way to fix that is to start blooding him in slowly like the Roosters did with RTS and Minichiello....have them switch positions during games.

If I can recall during that period RTS wasn't crash hot at all at the back and it took him a couple of years to adjust. Look at him now, he is reaping the rewards. AJ will be the same, we just need to give him time.

 

[Rabbits20]

It's never a simple case of player A makes 100m, player b makes 70m therefore player A is better

tyrell makes more early tackle count hit ups, usually against a more compact defensive lines that are on the front foot. Even last year tyrell rarely ran for 100m+ But his shit work enabled the likes of George to get the ball as he liked it, and he was able to provide real punch. Even when when mcqueen was picked for origin he wasn't having many 100m+ games he is a role player, mainly for block plays. These guys are still doing their roles, the shit work, they aren't far off their peak level, the big difference this year is we have no teo or sam and George is way down on form. Last year he was bumping guys off, he'd make a surging 20m run to get us out of trouble, getting fast play the balls, physically intimidating the opposition, getting game breaking tries, none of this is happening this year, and the error rate is rising. He is on a lot of money to be our forward leader and his not there yet. He might be getting 150m a game, but it's a lot different to the 150m he was getting last year

Fair enough I do agree with you on some things.

George is more of a target for opposition teams to shut down this year therefore he hasn't been as effective. I do agree his form has been up and down but the last few weeks George is starting to improve his work rate but yes he is struggling to bust tackles like last year and play the ball more quickly.

McQueen was expected to lift his work rate and make more metres this year. In the off season McQueen said he was going to lift and become a senior member of the forward pack and set an example to our young guys coming through. McQueen has failed at this and hasn't raised his levels to what is needed. McQueen is also giving too many penalties away and missing too many tackles.

This year Tyrrell is getting pushed back a lot in tackles. But I can't fault his passion and he tries his best every week.

 

[Rabbits20]

I can't remember but are the Eels, Tigers and Panthers games the games when GI wasn't playing for Souths because of SOO bullshit commitments.
I'm sure we have looked dismal in each game GI had to stand down, co incidentally haha, where these the games when Johnston filled in for GI.

Yes hurri you are right there.

 

[doyen]

Cody needs a go off the bench first. I've spoken about this a few posts above in depth.

Adam won't be dropped back to the Bears. Adam is a premiership winning halfback and without him we definitely wouldn't have won our 21st premiership.

Adam has had plenty of time out of the game so deserves a chance to find his feet.

To drop Adam out of the team altogether is ludicrous and if that happened I would say that Souths had completely lost the plot.

Every player goes through a form slump and Adam will come out the other side.

Talk of dropping Adam just angers me so much.

We play Adam at 7 and if he isn't performing you bring on Cody off the bench. I am fine with this but Adam must continue to be our starting halfback.

There is a zero percent chance that Madge will play Adam at Norths.

We've dropped other very good players over the last couple of years, including Issac.

Adam is well below what I expect from a half at present.To me his saving grace is his goal-kicking & as I've said before this would be very hard to disregard.

Sths are not going well at all so I do believe Madge will be looking at under-performing players in 1st grade but also the strong performers in the NSW Cup.Cody is going great guns there!!

 

[souths_pride]

I think everyone's being too harsh on AJ. He's predominantly been playing on the wing (Yes I understand he's had his time in the juniors but it is so different compared to first grade) and all of a sudden everyone expects him to be a superstar every time he's put in the #1 jersey. Our expectations are way too high because we have GI there. I do agree he wasn't great last night but if you give AJ some time and he'll prove you doubters wrong.

I don't think we're being too harsh on him. I think the criticisms everyone had made of him have been reasonably fair and just. The thing is we can't just ignore the mistakes he is making in games and pretend they don't exist - we'd lose all credibility, particularly if we overlook some of the basic errors he is making. In saying that, I do still feel that he is talented and will improve.

 

[souths_pride]

Fair enough I do agree with you on some things.

George is more of a target for opposition teams to shut down this year therefore he hasn't been as effective. I do agree his form has been up and down but the last few weeks George is starting to improve his work rate but yes he is struggling to bust tackles like last year and play the ball more quickly.

McQueen was expected to lift his work rate and make more metres this year. In the off season McQueen said he was going to lift and become a senior member of the forward pack and set an example to our young guys coming through. McQueen has failed at this and hasn't raised his levels to what is needed. McQueen is also giving too many penalties away and missing too many tackles.

This year Tyrrell is getting pushed back a lot in tackles. But I can't fault his passion and he tries his best every week.

McQueen really hasn't been anything special since 2013. I can't remember the last time that I saw him leaping up to catch a high ball and score a try or get on the outside of someone and make a break down field. The Chris McQueen of 2012-2013 was one of the most dynamic back rowers in the competition with one of the most unique skill sets. This year, he plays one good game in every five and the rest are rubbish. I think he needs to be dropped.

The Burgess brothers haven't been bad this season but I don't think they are being used to effectively enough. Why do we not have them charging onto the ball close to the tryline like we have in previous seasons? Also, their biggest weakness is that they are as uncoordinated as hell! It has always been their weakness; even Sam had a tendency to drop the footy a bit! Tom's effort in playing the ball on Friday night almost gave me a heart attack! Both twins need to work on simply catching balls.

Tyrell is doing the best that he can! The poor bugger always seems to get smashed or concussed. He never complains though and gets on with the job. He is a workman like prop. I think he does a good job. I remember at the start of the season, Michael Hagan came out and said that he thought David was on the verge of representative honours should anything happen to Queensland's front rowers. I still think he is good enough to play for QLD. My one criticism of his game is that I would like to see him run the ball more; his carries are good, he just needs to do it a bit more often to take his game to the next level.

 

[hurricane57]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lgR_RFoW0 - Here are the highlights mate.

I agree with you that he's a great winger, it's a simple position and he's a very smart footy player.

I think he's being a big overawed playing fullback at the moment. The only way to fix that is to start blooding him in slowly like the Roosters did with RTS and Minichiello....have them switch positions during games.

If I can recall during that period RTS wasn't crash hot at all at the back and it took him a couple of years to adjust. Look at him now, he is reaping the rewards. AJ will be the same, we just need to give him time.

I don't recall ever saying Johnston is a great winger.

I would say, at this very early stage of his career he shows a lot of promise.

He could pick up a serious injury and be gone tomorrow, fingers crossed he doesn't of course.

He's not great yet mate, he has only played one and an half seasons.

 

[hurricane57]

We've dropped other very good players over the last couple of years, including Issac.

Adam is well below what I expect from a half at present.To me his saving grace is his goal-kicking & as I've said before this would be very hard to disregard.

Sths are not going well at all so I do believe Madge will be looking at under-performing players in 1st grade but also the strong performers in the NSW Cup.Cody is going great guns there!!

Maguire has no problem dropping Isaac Luke, problem is, Isaac's to important to the sides performance so Maguire has keep bringing Isaac back.
Think Maguire tried to turn Isaac into a worker ant, like Clarke, Tyrell, Lowe etc but Isaac's to important - must really piss Maguire off.

Sorts get the feeling that Isaac's not all that happy at the moment.

I don't think Reynolds is recovered from the leg injury he got from that pommy scumbag.
Give Cody Walker a run at 6 with Keary at 7.

 

[doyen]

McQueen really hasn't been anything special since 2013. I can't remember the last time that I saw him leaping up to catch a high ball and score a try or get on the outside of someone and make a break down field. The Chris McQueen of 2012-2013 was one of the most dynamic back rowers in the competition with one of the most unique skill sets. This year, he plays one good game in every five and the rest are rubbish. I think he needs to be dropped.

The Burgess brothers haven't been bad this season but I don't think they are being used to effectively enough. Why do we not have them charging onto the ball close to the tryline like we have in previous seasons? Also, their biggest weakness is that they are as uncoordinated as hell! It has always been their weakness; even Sam had a tendency to drop the footy a bit! Tom's effort in playing the ball on Friday night almost gave me a heart attack! Both twins need to work on simply catching balls.

Tyrell is doing the best that he can! The poor bugger always seems to get smashed or concussed. He never complains though and gets on with the job. He is a workman like prop. I think he does a good job. I remember at the start of the season, Michael Hagan came out and said that he thought David was on the verge of representative honours should anything happen to Queensland's front rowers. I still think he is good enough to play for QLD. My one criticism of his game is that I would like to see him run the ball more; his carries are good, he just needs to do it a bit more often to take his game to the next level.

I think McQueen is now suffering from the "Maguire Rein-in Syndrome."

He's been told to play a typical forward's game & hence his attacking game has"gone to Gowings."It's a bloody shame as he can be the dynamic type that a team needs to break a game open!

I think the Burgess boys are starting to feel the pinch of carrying a huge load now without the toughness of Sam & Teo to aid the cause---Tom particularly.

Tyrrell is the perfect Maguire clone & that's why he holds his place----head down,arse up,don't pass,& don't try a darn thing for fear of error--he's a robot--from a big,speedy winger to a robotic prop!!