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PS4 Vs Xbox One

Firey_Dragon

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Listen to the giantbomb cast and they will effectively tell you that all devs they have spoken to would rather not create content related to the Kinect if they dont have to.

Market saturation sure but if the machine architecture doesnt REQUIRE it to work like they first announced then built in dashboard and OS software and operations are redundant now seeing as it is no longer actually required to run your xbox like first announced.

With the back flipping that they have done to this point i wouldnt be suprised if they do remove it from the box or at the very least release a boxed version without it for cheaper.

They are already including headsets in the box now, something they werent doing on first announcing it.

Removing kinect isn't an option. It negates their endgame. Sure, being able to disconnect it is great, but realistically are many people going to do it? Not likely.

Firstly, the cable box integration won't work without kinect, the kinect sensor has the IR blaster, so much of that value proposition is removed without it. This plays significantly into the marketing strategy of Microsoft, they have a sophisticated tool capable of reading a heart rate whilst knowing what you're watching on TV. This is a gold mine for marketers. The gameplay capability is ancillary to the potential targeted advertising the system is capable of.

It's a smart play really, removing the kinect will do nothing but stimulate short term sales, keeping it there ensures they get a far more detailed idea of what the consumer is in the long term. Microsoft has even spoken in the past about analysing skype conversations (both voice and text) to deliver content relevant to the conversation.

Kinect is a fantastic bit of hardware, and it engages casual gamers but there is no doubt what it's capable of and what value that gives microsoft. They'd be crazy to give that up just for some launch window sales.

Good news about Fifa being in the package though.
 

Allstar Knights

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Very happy about getting FIFA 14 with my pre-ordered Xbox One. I just ordered the game on 360 and I really didn't want to pay for another copy.

I wonder how big the digital download will be? I'm guessing it will be between 15gb-20gb.
 

Special K

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I pre ordered an xbox one but they were out of "day one" editions but I was told I would get it one day one. Do I still get fifa? This part confuses me

Pre-orders for the Xbox One are unprecedented, with the Xbox One Day One Edition Console already sold out in Australia. Fans who pre-order an Xbox One now will benefit from the value of the Xbox One FIFA 14 Pre-Order Bundle, which will include a digital version of the blockbuster title.
I assume this is back dated


If so awesome as I was planning on buying it!
 
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jargan83

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I just got an email from EB games stating that the XBone wil be released on the 22nd of November
 

canberra_raiders2k2

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Whether you get the xboxone or the ps4, they seem like similar consoles. Whilst I have a preorder for the ps4, I am still debating the xbox for Titanfall.

Some top games coming out on next gen during the release period. I might hold off on GTA and hope it gets ported to next gen soon.
 

Firey_Dragon

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Whilst I don't buy into the whole specs debate and graphics will mostly look and play the same unless they're built from the ground up for a specific platform... Man, Microsoft have had guys say some stupid stuff... Here is the latest gem from Alberta Penello on neogaf.

I see my statements the other day caused more of a stir than I had intended. I saw threads locking down as fast as they pop up, so I apologize for the delayed response.

I was hoping my comments would lead the discussion to be more about the games (and the fact that games on both systems look great) as a sign of my point about performance, but unfortunately I saw more discussion of my credibility.

So I thought I would add more detail to what I said the other day, that perhaps people can debate those individual merits instead of making personal attacks. This should hopefully dismiss the notion I’m simply creating FUD or spin.

I do want to be super clear: I’m not disparaging Sony. I’m not trying to diminish them, or their launch or what they have said. But I do need to draw comparisons since I am trying to explain that the way people are calculating the differences between the two machines isn’t completely accurate. I think I’ve been upfront I have nothing but respect for those guys, but I’m not a fan of the mis-information about our performance.

So, here are couple of points about some of the individual parts for people to consider:

18 CU’s vs. 12 CU’s =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU’s, so it’s simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU.

Adding to that, each of our CU’s is running 6% faster. It’s not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall.

We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted.

We have at least 10% more CPU. Not only a faster processor, but a better audio chip also offloading CPU cycles.

We understand GPGPU and its importance very well. Microsoft invented Direct Compute, and have been using GPGPU in a shipping product since 2010 – it’s called Kinect.

Speaking of GPGPU – we have 3X the coherent bandwidth for GPGPU at 30gb/sec which significantly improves our ability for the CPU to efficiently read data generated by the GPU.

Hopefully with some of those more specific points people will understand where we have reduced bottlenecks in the system. I’m sure this will get debated endlessly but at least you can see I’m backing up my points.

I still I believe that we get little credit for the fact that, as a SW company, the people designing our system are some of the smartest graphics engineers around – they understand how to architect and balance a system for graphics performance. Each company has their strengths, and I feel that our strength is overlooked when evaluating both boxes.

Given this continued belief of a significant gap, we’re working with our most senior graphics and silicon engineers to get into more depth on this topic. They will be more credible then I am, and can talk in detail about some of the benchmarking we’ve done and how we balanced our system."

Thanks again for letting my participate. Hope this gives people more background on my claims.

18 CU’s vs. 12 CU’s =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU’s, so it’s simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU.
Unfortunately this holds true for CPU's, in the case of GPU's its incorrect because the processing is inherently parallel.

Adding to that, each of our CU’s is running 6% faster. It’s not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall.
6% increase over 1 core or a million cores still means a 6% increase. He also contradicts his first gem in that if a 6% increase across multiple cores does not equal 6% increase overall because of inefficiencies between them. Mathemagic at its finest.

We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted.
Apparently you can now add bandwidth to calculate your maximum theoretical speed. Not just take the higher speed and accept that it falls somewhere below that based on a range of factors.

Maybe its because this is the first launch in the truly digital age with social media, but I cannot remember a single console launch that has had so many marketing and technical gaffes. Anyone who has any technical knowledge, or knowledge of math in general can shred the post to pieces. I really don't understand why they're trying to fan the flames, unless something can't be rebuked they're better off saying nothing at all.
 
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Slackboy72

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Yeah Penello is a massive PR fraud.
If you want good info look for sebbbi on beyond3D forums, not some corporate shill on NeoGAF.

The word coming from developers according to EDGE is that the PS4 is ~50% more powerful. We won't really see it manifest it's advantage for awhile as final PS4 devkits only got delivered in August. xbone devkits are still in beta. Naughty Dog just got their final PS4 devkits too (120 of them).
 

I Bleed Maroon

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I have been a full on Xbox person since I traded my N64 for the original Xbox, and it is staggering to me how much Microsoft have dropped the ball with this. Sony have so much momentum now, it's frightening.

The consoles will finish up this gen comfortably in these positions:

1. PS4
2. XBone



3.Wii U

And once again, PC will be out on its own as a unique platform that the consoles can't even begin to compete with.
 

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