Punishment for poor nines squads

[Card Shark]

OP is based on the assumption that teams aren't meeting the criteria? How can that be proven?

And if either squad make the semis or final, what them? Fine gets reversed?

I'm sure they are meeting the criteria but let's face it, the criteria is very lenient.

1 of the top 5 paid players & then 12 of the 25 man first grade squad.

Certainly allows teams to pick weak squads.

 

[Perth Red]

Whoch of that storm squad is a top 5 paid player? On
Y chambers would be in the top 15 paid and near the middle of that!

 

[shiznit]

I'm sure they are meeting the criteria but let's face it, the criteria is very lenient.

1 of the top 5 paid players & then 12 of the 25 man first grade squad.

Certainly allows teams to pick weak squads.

Well actually the reason why I brought the topic up is because there's speculation the NRL are investigating the storm and the panthers because they aren't even meeting that base criteria

 

[Card Shark]

Well actually the reason why I brought the topic up is because there's speculation the NRL are investigating the storm and the panthers because they aren't even meeting that base criteria

Ok mate, I wasn't aware of that.

Surely Melbourne wouldn't have the audacity to deliberately break the rules?

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Don't the nines replace a trial? So injury risk isn't really an excuse IMO.

Having said that, most clubs play weak teams in their opening trial and gradually build up to their best team for their last trial.

Maybe the Nines should consider being played after the trials 2-3 weeks before the season. If it's the last possible hit out for teams before the start of the season I think their may be a different attitude towards it.

 

[unforgiven]

Don't the nines replace a trial? So injury risk isn't really an excuse IMO.

Having said that, most clubs play weak teams in their opening trial and gradually build up to their best team for their last trial.

Maybe the Nines should consider being played after the trials 2-3 weeks before the season. If it's the last possible hit out for teams before the start of the season I think their may be a different attitude towards it.

It may replace a trial, but doesn't benefit the preparation for the season near as much. So it may have the same risk, but the benefits are much lower.

 

[Cloudsurfer]

The NRL know the value of there contracts... They will know if they comply or not.
They'll face a fine?

If they make the semis they should still be punished... As they were contractually obliged to provide a certain squad...
See above...

If the kids they throw in do well,,. They good on them... But that will be down to luck not design.

You don't win the 9s or any other comp by 'luck'. If they win they deserved it...

You want to question coaches not putting players into games they should be playing, question the Kangaroos selections for the 4 Nations & the lack of support for the international game from some
clubs, coaches & management

Nines is a new concept - the game is NRL & why would anyone jeopardise that? Nines is a novelty comp...that's all. Like 7s in RU where they play players that may or may not have an ITM, Super rugby contract - it's a whole other game...
Since when does RL 9s become the be-all and end-all of RL? Early days mate & a long way from replacing or superceding the NRL comp...let's be real.
As for coaches et al not risking their NRL season best team - if some clubs want to that's their choice. Big purses may change that but I doubt it.

 

[Danish]

Im happy to cop the mark next to our name since we'll be undefeated all year

Well your draw IS extremely easy.... :sarcasm:

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

It may replace a trial, but doesn't benefit the preparation for the season near as much. So it may have the same risk, but the benefits are much lower.

Playing a 22 man squad half full of fringe first graders where you big guns play 20 minutes to "blow out the cobwebs" under unlimited interchange rules doesn't benefit either.

TBH we have trials because we're just used to having them rather than any long serving benefit. I doubt coaches learn much outside of what they already learn in house throughout pre season.

 

[unforgiven]

Playing a 22 man squad half full of fringe first graders where you big guns play 20 minutes to "blow out the cobwebs" under unlimited interchange rules doesn't benefit either.

TBH we have trials because we're just used to having them rather than any long serving benefit. I doubt coaches learn much outside of what they already learn in house throughout pre season.

Seriously you are kidding right? For different teams trials take on a different importance. For side with new coaches or players that are trying to implement new structures and playing styles than trials can be critically important. It is the 1st time to evaluate these structures and styles against a external opponent.

 

[Lambretta]

it is disappointing that teams arent taking the concept seriously, but hardly surprising
pre season tournaments or matches are rarely taken seriously

The minimum participation rules need to be enforced if the NRL is seriuos about the competition.

I would withold the money from the Nines altogether if they didnt meet the minimum requirement. That would make them take things seriously.

That said, a clubs strongest team in the thirteen man game might be nothing like a clubs strongest team for the nine man game. Nines is more a touch style of game, so outside backs will feature far more prominantly. This means your reserve grade full back or wingers are more valuable than your props for example.

A weak squad based on names that are known to regular viewers of NRL might not be the weakest squad for nines

 

[mxlegend99]

Panthers have left out players who are recovering from injury or surgery, and players involved in the four nations and yet to be back into the full swing of things in training. Pretty much all players left out have a legitimate reason to be.

The squad isnt going to be any better if they send over players only partially fit for footy. It only serves to jeopardise the NRL season.iwould love for us to field a stronger squad, but not at the expense of the NRL season.

 

[alien]

Fans of clubs who treat it like a joke should bombard their clubs with criticism. But they won't because most probably have the same attitude as the coaches and admin. A shit one.

actually it's an intelligent attitude. the main goal is to win the premiership and focusing on the main goal is what should happen, instead of getting sidetracked. winning the nines is about as significant as winning the charity shield.

i actually wish for the Nines to be scrapped because there will always be calls for the clubs to play alot of their stars and the nrl might give in to those demanding that. if you didnt have to use any of the best players and just use it to give some fringe first graders and under 20s players a run (which would still be entertaining) then i'd be all for it, but it's obviously not as easy as that.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Seriously you are kidding right? For different teams trials take on a different importance. For side with new coaches or players that are trying to implement new structures and playing styles than trials can be critically important. It is the 1st time to evaluate these structures and styles against a external opponent.

Yup. Nothing like beating up on a QLD/NSW cup team with your reserves to let the new coaches know they're on the right track.

 

[Someone]

Since when does RL 9s become the be-all and end-all of RL? Early days mate & a long way from replacing or superceding the NRL comp...let's be real.

nobody is saying any of this.

People just want clubs to take this seriously. I mean f**k me dead, its a 2 day, 108 minute (maximum) training run basically. And clubs have the potential to win 450k. And people have the audacity to complain.

Panthers have left out players who are recovering from injury or surgery, and players involved in the four nations and yet to be back into the full swing of things in training. Pretty much all players left out have a legitimate reason to be.

The squad isnt going to be any better if they send over players only partially fit for footy. It only serves to jeopardise the NRL season.iwould love for us to field a stronger squad, but not at the expense of the NRL season.

from memory the Panthers fielded a pretty strong team last year and made to the semis. I can understand naming a weak side every second year. If Bellemy isn't going to even bother, why not give a qld cup or nsw cup team a chance at the prize money. I bet they would appreciate 400 grand.

 

[Lambretta]

winning the nines is about as significant as winning the charity shield.

I can't believe you just said that. oh the irony

 

[alien]

I can't believe you just said that. oh the irony

haha well i tell it how it is. it's a glorified trial game, but it's good that some money goes to charity

 

[shiznit]

You don't win the 9s or any other comp by 'luck'. If they win they deserved it...

You want to question coaches not putting players into games they should be playing, question the Kangaroos selections for the 4 Nations & the lack of support for the international game from some
clubs, coaches & management

Nines is a new concept - the game is NRL & why would anyone jeopardise that? Nines is a novelty comp...that's all. Like 7s in RU where they play players that may or may not have an ITM, Super rugby contract - it's a whole other game...
Since when does RL 9s become the be-all and end-all of RL? Early days mate & a long way from replacing or superceding the NRL comp...let's be real.
As for coaches et al not risking their NRL season best team - if some clubs want to that's their choice. Big purses may change that but I doubt it.

You have to give the concept a change to grow.

No one is saying it's the be all and end all of football....

The NRL has stumbled on to a pre-season event that has the capacity to:
- brings in over 100,000 people over 2 days
- provides players with extra money
- make money for the actual game
- GROWS THE GAME!!!
- provide positive headlines for the game in a time when it traditionally doesn't provide positive news.

And you want to potentially throw that away because a bunch of self serving coaches can't look beyond there own situations??

And people wonder why guys like Sam Burgess and SBW leave the game to play in the RU World Cup.

 

[unforgiven]

Yup. Nothing like beating up on a QLD/NSW cup team with your reserves to let the new coaches know they're on the right track.

You do realise that not all trials are against QLD/NSW cup sides and in fact most of them are against other NRL opponents. The quality of those sides may change throughout the match but it gives a chance to access those players as well. I'd like to see a side start the season without those trials. There are a few clubs who have signed players to preseason contracts who I'm sure the coaches would like to see in a game.

 

[shiznit]

Panthers have left out players who are recovering from injury or surgery, and players involved in the four nations and yet to be back into the full swing of things in training. Pretty much all players left out have a legitimate reason to be.

The squad isnt going to be any better if they send over players only partially fit for footy. It only serves to jeopardise the NRL season.iwould love for us to field a stronger squad, but not at the expense of the NRL season.

Well you have to question Cleary and Gould...

There resting all the 4 Nations players??

Matt Moylan didn't play a single second in the 4 Nations... Why does he need to be rested when Shaun Johnson, Sam Tomkins, Kieran Foran & DCE all played every single minute of the tournament and have all been named to play in the nines.

Apologies if he's out injured...

I just don't see why guys from the Warriors or Manly can do it but there equivalents from certain clubs need to be rested.