Question to Management: Why Souths Logan?

[Mr Angry]

The storm have severed their ties with Norths Devils (QLD Cup). They now run thier reggies out of the Central Coast.

 

[Bay56]

So as per usual we are a couple of steps behind the leaders.

As I said previously I'll be more than happy to be convinced that a team up north is to our advantage ... other than "it worked back in 1985".

 

[(KW)]

I am fence sitting on this one.

I can see positives from forging links with a QLD Cup side, but if we simply let the players leave the club and return to QLD once their established ala Zillman, then what is the point? Having said that, I am sick of the "I want to go home to my family" cop out as well. grow a pair, have a can of solo and harden the #$%^ up.

BUT, when the souths logan idea was first aired, I was (and remain) a fan of entering a canberra side in the sydney comp. Our fringe first graders, playing alongside the best players from group 9 would go well IMO. Would also provide an outlet for star players from the south coast and riverina to come to canberra and prove their worth. These players wont cry about moving home either.

KW

 

[Paullyboy]

Bay you seem more agitated than normal in this thread. I'm not trying to make this personal, I just want to re-phrase what a few other posters tried saying in the first page:

You have all of these idea's and suggestions (and I agree with quite a lot of them - not all however), but you flat out refuse to even try and contact the club. It would seem to me that either it's you just taking the lazy option or you are scared of a confrontation that may occur should you actually take the initiative and try and make some real suggestions rather than making a few threads a day to critisize them.

I'm assuming it's not because you are lazy.

 

[Lime_Green]

Bay just thinks he'll be fobbed off.

If you want to engender change you'll rarely achieve it by attacking the bloke who is making the mistakes. He will be committed to his own approach, confident that he is in a better position to make these judgement calls than you (often true, but still...).

You need to go higher up the chain. I've been researching the Raiders ownership structure and am planning on getting involved in the Queanbeyan Leagues Club, personally.

 

[paulquinn49]

Thanks Mr Angry, Have you seen any of the NSW comp? Whats the quality like.

By the way, I love the idea of the Fyshwick Ferrats

 

[dolphinboy]

DB it might be working well for the Storm atm ... this will have to be tested over a period of time when the Storm might not be travelling to well ... the option for young qld talent will then be to play for the Broncs/GC/TV, close to family and friends, or move down south to a struggling club where exposure to league comes a distant last behind AFL.

I think it would have been almost impossible to have gained the services of Mal and Belch in 1985 had there been the three choices they could have now.

The added problem imo is that we are also exposing our own to what qld can offer them ... the talent scouts of the three qld clubs would be saying "thankyou" ... imo we are on a hiding to nothing.

They have already proven beyond any realm of doubt that the Norths Devils experiment has been a success beyond their wildest dreams.

Cam Smith made his debut under sacked coach Mark Murray who left the club well and truly in the sh*t, Johnson and Slater who joined in Bellamy’s rookie year (2003), Slater (2003), Folau, Inglis, Chambers, and Kaufusi have been products of this on going venture, and needless to say they would stroll into our side at a fair premium.

From 10th in 2002 to dropping rep players out of the sky at will in 5 years.

Just like the ad says “It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen”

As for Badge and Mal that is hypothetical and carries zero weight

We are exposing our "own" to what Qld can offer - gees you really are clutching at straws buddy. Can't see what a game or two in the Qld Cup would sway a player to join the Tits and the Cowboys . The Broncos will have drawing power based solely on their history of success.

We have recruited from Qld and have lost players of ability, yet we retain the less able (eg Chalk) and there is a very simple explanation for this - good players will be attractive to other clubs whether they are in Qld, NSW, NZ, Melbourne or Europe. Players of little ability are not.

 

[Mr Angry]

Thanks Mr Angry, Have you seen any of the NSW comp? Whats the quality like.

It is Premier League quality.

By the way, I love the idea of the Fyshwick Ferrats

lol

 

[Paullyboy]

Bay just thinks he'll be fobbed off.

If you want to engender change you'll rarely achieve it by attacking the bloke who is making the mistakes. He will be committed to his own approach, confident that he is in a better position to make these judgement calls than you (often true, but still...).

You need to go higher up the chain. I've been researching the Raiders ownership structure and am planning on getting involved in the Queanbeyan Leagues Club, personally.

My point is that it's easy to criticise people from behind a keyboard because you never have to take responsibility (which is what bay is insisting of the Raiders management).

I'm particularly baffled by his flat out refusal to even try and contact the club, if he does get fobbed off then I'll understand, but untill he makes a genuine effort to get his message across he'll be nothing more than a keyboard hero.

Once again I'm not trying to have a personal attack at you Bay, so I apologise if it comes across in that way.

 

[Bay56]

Bay you seem more agitated than normal in this thread. I'm not trying to make this personal, I just want to re-phrase what a few other posters tried saying in the first page:

You have all of these idea's and suggestions (and I agree with quite a lot of them - not all however), but you flat out refuse to even try and contact the club. It would seem to me that either it's you just taking the lazy option or you are scared of a confrontation that may occur should you actually take the initiative and try and make some real suggestions rather than making a few threads a day to critisize them.

I'm assuming it's not because you are lazy.

Paully no offense taken mate.

I will admit to being an armchair critic ... but in saying that I'm am also aware that Raiders Management are fully aware of this forum and GH.

 

[Bay56]

Btw I did email the club on one occassion highlighting my views on playing away games in NZ ... I can remember getting a call from Donny at work ... he told me that the club had cavassed supporters, I replied I was was a season ticket holder and was not asked for my opinion .... we didnt play an away game in NZ after that ...

... you have me to thank for that :lol:

As I said before lads it is not my performance that is under question here ... management are those that are under the spotlight

 

[Bay56]

They have already proven beyond any realm of doubt that the Norths Devils experiment has been a success beyond their wildest dreams.

Cam Smith made his debut under sacked coach Mark Murray who left the club well and truly in the sh*t, Johnson and Slater who joined in Bellamy’s rookie year (2003), Slater (2003), Folau, Inglis, Chambers, and Kaufusi have been products of this on going venture, and needless to say they would stroll into our side at a fair premium.

From 10th in 2002 to dropping rep players out of the sky at will in 5 years.

Just like the ad says “It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen”

Imo or Badge and Mal that is hypothetical and carries zero weight

We are exposing our "own" to what Qld can offer - gees you really are clutching at straws buddy. Can't see what a game or two in the Qld Cup would sway a player to join the Tits and the Cowboys . The Broncos will have drawing power based solely on their history of success.

We have recruited from Qld and have lost players of ability, yet we retain the less able (eg Chalk) and there is a very simple explanation for this - good players will be attractive to other clubs whether they are in Qld, NSW, NZ, Melbourne or Europe. Players of little ability are not.

I'm sorry DB but you havent convinced me (yet :lol.

Imo all the points you raise could be achieved with a team a bit closer to home ... the storm had to search far as they do not have a nursery/competition close by ... Qld was prob a good option for them as they would be competing with 2 Qld teams rather than 12 NSW teams.

Imo we have a vast talent pool around us who would jump at the opportunity to compete in a Sydney based competition ... imo they would be less inclined to crave the qld lifestyle and return home to family.

 

[PRKLCD]

Bay - I totally agree with you on this.

1. I have two mates who played PL for the raiders last season (forwards) who would baiscally have to move up to QLD to continue to try and make first grade - with both going to Uni, they quit the raiders and play in the local comp - it's shame.

2. I also think it's dumb sending guys to QLD. When it's cold down here and you're sending these 23 year olds to sunny queensland - it won't be long before tehy are saying - hey, why don't I live up here? f**k, I do that everytime I go away!

the Local comp may not be that strong, but with the injection of Raiders players it would be great for the game of RL. The comp would only get stronger!

 

[Mr Angry]

FTR I think it is a mistake not to have a team in the NSW Cup.

By all means have ties with a QLD club, but not to have a local team in the NSW Cup is a strategic error IMO. Then again I am unsure of the financials of the Canberra club and perhaps it is not an option.

That said Canberra having a team in the NSW Cup should be a priority.

 

[Bay56]

Bay - I totally agree with you on this.

1. I have two mates who played PL for the raiders last season (forwards) who would baiscally have to move up to QLD to continue to try and make first grade - with both going to Uni, they quit the raiders and play in the local comp - it's shame.

My brother-in-law is an assistant coach for for one of the local teams and has told me similar stories ... I cant remember the names but he has a couple under his control that used to play for the Raiders ... also has BJ Lawrence at the club.

Management have their reasons ... now come on Donny, I know you read these forums, hanging on to every word I type ... how about an explanation ... here is your chance to make me look like an absolute amateur :lol:

 

[Bay56]

FTR I think it is a mistake not to have a team in the NSW Cup.

By all means have ties with a QLD club, but not to have a local team in the NSW Cup is a strategic error IMO. Then again I am unsure of the financials of the Canberra club and perhaps it is not an option.

That said Canberra having a team in the NSW Cup should be a priority.

I dont think finances are a problem with the Raiders ... all reports indicate we are doing very well with minimal assistance from the Leagues club ... reading between the lines (but never having seen a balance sheet) we are in a far better position than most of the Sydney clubs.

 

[dolphinboy]

Bay - I totally agree with you on this.

Theres a first time for everything

 

[Lime_Green]

Bay - I totally agree with you on this.

1. I have two mates who played PL for the raiders last season (forwards) who would baiscally have to move up to QLD to continue to try and make first grade - with both going to Uni, they quit the raiders and play in the local comp - it's shame.

2. I also think it's dumb sending guys to QLD. When it's cold down here and you're sending these 23 year olds to sunny queensland - it won't be long before tehy are saying - hey, why don't I live up here? f**k, I do that everytime I go away!

the Local comp may not be that strong, but with the injection of Raiders players it would be great for the game of RL. The comp would only get stronger!

That's a shame. Means we're losing the guys that are actually likely to have been loyal (the Canberrans) and keeping the QLDers who bugger off as soon as they hit their peak and a QLD team wants them.

Makes you wonder about someone like Josh Dugan, who is a Canberran. He's a gun but he's 17/18. Let's say he develops slowly. Will he be willing to move to QLD, or to commute every week to play QC for the Raiders? Do we just hope that he can make the move from TC to FG with nothing in between!?!

And is it good to be exposing our local players to the warm climate of QLD on a regular basis...might give them ideas! :lol:

 

[Raidersrawesome]

Bay - I totally agree with you on this.

1. I have two mates who played PL for the raiders last season (forwards) who would baiscally have to move up to QLD to continue to try and make first grade - with both going to Uni, they quit the raiders and play in the local comp - it's shame.

2. I also think it's dumb sending guys to QLD. When it's cold down here and you're sending these 23 year olds to sunny queensland - it won't be long before tehy are saying - hey, why don't I live up here? f**k, I do that everytime I go away!

the Local comp may not be that strong, but with the injection of Raiders players it would be great for the game of RL. The comp would only get stronger!

It hasnt been sunny up here for 6 months , bout the time I moved here.

 

[Edwahu]

They bought the club for business reasons didnt they? I think the league side is just a sideline to that. If we get some players out of it then its an advantage and it gives us somewhere to put our players now anyway.