R 19 v Feather dusters

[maple_69]

Soward had a bad day, 19 rounds and this was probably his first bad game, not much you can do about that. Our go forward was 2nd best for 80 mins, without Mansour to paper over the cracks it becomes really obvious. That's my real concern, and the only real chance of fixing that this year the coach has decided he doesn't want in the team.

We're probably 1 or maybe 2 impact props away from being contenders, we've basically got 4 workhorses playing 40-50mins each, hopefully there's a pick up or 2 in the front row in the offseason.

Agree we need to bring a big name prop in, preferably an impact sort. Grant isn't our only option though. Anderson and BMM are also there and RCG should be ready next year for a few bench games.
I'd say with Peachey and Cartwright showing positive signs, we can afford to move Manu into that impact prop role but the other 3 I mentioned certainly deserve a go.

 

[Pomoz]

Soward had a bad day, 19 rounds and this was probably his first bad game, not much you can do about that. Our go forward was 2nd best for 80 mins, without Mansour to paper over the cracks it becomes really obvious. That's my real concern, and the only real chance of fixing that this year the coach has decided he doesn't want in the team.

We're probably 1 or maybe 2 impact props away from being contenders, we've basically got 4 workhorses playing 40-50mins each, hopefully there's a pick up or 2 in the front row in the offseason.

I watched Grant in NSW Cup. He is not all that. He certainly isn't playing better than anybody already in first grade. He looked deadset ordinary.

 

[umina panther]

We probably have the worst pack in the comp when Mansour isn't carrying their peaheart arses around. We badly need to buy some props

 

[darkbloom]

We probably have the worst pack in the comp when Mansour isn't carrying their peaheart arses around. We badly need to buy some props

Really?

 

[mxlegend99]

Tim Grant would atheist take on a bigger workload then our other forwards if picked. Might not be firing up in NSW Cup, but what reason would he have to do that? he's a former Origin player who can't get a run in first grade no matter how his form is. He still shows up and plays reasonably well. But I'm first grade I think he would put in extra effort.

At any rate, he would be a better body to have in the team then 90kg forwards who either have a big hit or miss the tackle altogether.

 

[forby]

I came home from the game feeling disappointed, but realising that with a full team, equal turn around time, and NO Ashley Klein we can match it with the Roosters. Our last tackle kicking was unusually poor, but with only one kicker it was always going to be difficult.
I think penrith set a record with the quickest sin bin ever! Cruelled the game. Held them to just the one try, which I thought was dubious, during that time. The other two tries were on the back of 50-50 penalties called by Klein.

 

[Big Mick]

Tim Grant would atheist take on a bigger workload then our other forwards if picked. Might not be firing up in NSW Cup, but what reason would he have to do that? he's a former Origin player who can't get a run in first grade no matter how his form is. He still shows up and plays reasonably well. But I'm first grade I think he would put in extra effort.

At any rate, he would be a better body to have in the team then 90kg forwards who either have a big hit or miss the tackle altogether.

But isn't that the problem?

He's not showing why he should be in first grade via his performances in NSW Cup. I've watched about 4-5 games of him in NSW Cup and he's been ordinary. Sam Anderson has been better by far.

Doesn't that show a lack of application to the task at hand which is to get back in first grade?

If he is just going through the motions waiting till he gets to Souths why should he be selected in First Grade?

For mine yeah we are lacking that genuine impact style prop but hopefully with an off-season in the weight room Sika Manu will turn into that as he said in Western Weekender. Then there is the possibility we get Mose Masoe back along with the development of RCG, BMM, Sam Anderson if he is re-signed.

I think we have the players there to do the job if we DON'T sign someone, but hopefully we do. But even without additions it certainly isn't the worst pack in the league...that's just an emotional response based on yesterday imo. This pack isn't a bad pack.

I don't think the situation is dire....That game yesterday was just an aberration as far as I'm concerned. We were playing off 4 days rest, 1 training session all week, a new halves pairing vs a team who had 2 weeks to prepare and was hungry after being embarrassed by Sharks. I don't think it's any cause to panic.

 

[murraymob]

Rather than look for excuses is more important to look at a few key areas we fell short on.

1.in the halves .while humble may not be great he is a halve and has been doing well in the lower grades and should be next in line

2.the moving of Whare between wing and center needs to stop he is our best center if we need a winger again bring one up from reserves

3 Docker and manu both have little to no impact in meters gained.Manu came with a reputation off a ball playing off loading forward we need to see that or he has nothing to add to the team

4.While dave simmons is not greeted well in these forums he does offer one thing no over winger does in he actually chases and contests the bomb something lacking right now

All up we got hammered we will get mansour maybe simmons and in the next few weeks wallace back so things will improve

 

[mxlegend99]

1.in the halves .while humble may not be great he is a halve and has been doing well in the lower grades and should be next in line

He was terrible in reserve grade... no way does he deserve a shot in first grade. Cartwright was better then Humble could be, and Moylan would be better also.

Humble is an average reserve grader.

 

[Big Mick]

Rather than look for excuses is more important to look at a few key areas we fell short on.

1.in the halves .while humble may not be great he is a halve and has been doing well in the lower grades and should be next in line

2.the moving of Whare between wing and center needs to stop he is our best center if we need a winger again bring one up from reserves

3 Docker and manu both have little to no impact in meters gained.Manu came with a reputation off a ball playing off loading forward we need to see that or he has nothing to add to the team

4.While dave simmons is not greeted well in these forums he does offer one thing no over winger does in he actually chases and contests the bomb something lacking right now

All up we got hammered we will get mansour maybe simmons and in the next few weeks wallace back so things will improve

1. Humble was ordinary. No thanks. Cartwright offered way more than Humble could at five-eight. From what I've read from people I trust twitter related to Penrith Wallace could be back next week so that may be problem solved.

2. Whare from what I saw didn't switch at all. He was named at wing but the team was essentially Moylan FB, DWZ/Naiqama Wing, Whare/Idris in the centres. Whare didn't play wing at all from what I saw so not really sure of that point.

3. Manu has said he is performing below his expectations this year. Has said he is getting a little slower and he'll be shifting to prop. I think that's where he needs to be going forward playing in the middle of the park but that may be a 2015 vision. We need him to play better on the fringes now Peachey is out.

4. Mansour back next week for sure...he was close to playing this week. Simmons may be back but wouldn't mind him getting 1 game in NSW Cup to tune up and leaving Naiqama there for this week.

 

[MrAnonymous]

Really?

Yes really.

We lack size and back rowers running good hard lines on the edges.

Our forward pack is too similar. It was all there to see how hard it is for us to make meters without Mansour.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Our forward pack at the moment is weak, and it is something we really need to improve. When Jeremy Latimore off the bench is the stand-out performer (no offense to him, but he is solid toiler and no-one's idea of a star), then there is something wrong.

Segeyaro is gold and should be left alone to do his thing.
McKendry is fine; he's down on form, but I think he is worthy of a place in the team.
Kite is old and slow, and doesn't really cause the opposition any concern at all.
Latimore is an ideal bench forward and has earned his place there.
Plum is offering less and less these days.
Manu is a shadow of himself.

A backrow of Brown, Taylor and Docker is terrible, IMO. I would only keep Taylor at lock (and tell him to stop with the no look passes - it was symptomatic of our paucity of ideas in a attack yesterday that so often the ball went to Taylor to do that no look pass he favors). Cartwright may not be there yet, but obviously he is going to be a permanent fixture in the second row next season (you would assume), so that leaves one spot open for someone at the club to stand up and make their own. Peachey maybe, but he's better suited to a spot off the bench, I think.

So, for next season:

8. McKendry
9. Segeyaro
10. ?
11. Cartwright
12. ?
13. Taylor

14. Peachey
15. Latimore
16. ?
17. ?

And Simmons should absolutely NOT come straight back in for Naiqama, who I thought was one of the few bright spots yesterday; at least he was willing to run the ball out of our own half with some power.

 

[Big Mick]

I'd be for the thinking of shifting Manu to Prop and Idris to the backrow. I think Idris would be great as a fringe backrower running at pace and the benefit of that would be that we open up a spoke for Waqa Blake or Robert Jennings in the backs.

For 2015:

1. Moylan
2. Naiqama/DWZ/Simmons
3. Whare
4. Blake
5. Mansour
6. Soward
7. Wallace
8. McKendry
9. Segeyaro
10. Manu (Bulk up and hit the line hard - He's at the age where needs to re-define his game)
11. Cartwright
12. Idris
13. Taylor

14. Latimore
15. Reagan Campbell-Gillard / Kite / Plum (Rotate to give RCG time to develop in 2015)
16. Peachey
17. Yeo / Brown / Docker / Korisau / BMM / Recruit

I actually think that's the right balance between attack/defense/mobility/speed

Wont be everyone's cup of tea though

However, for this year? I'm not sure we have better options. I think stick to what we have at the moment unless we decide to shift Idris to back row early.

 

[umina panther]

Pretty good team Mick but I'd like to see Peach on one side and Cartwright on the other for most of the game, defences will struggle to deal with both of them and Seg/Korisau in the middle

 

[Big Mick]

Pretty good team Mick but I'd like to see Peach on one side and Cartwright on the other for most of the game, defences will struggle to deal with both of them and Seg/Korisau in the middle

I'd be fine with that.

I'm only putting Idris starting because I think he's like a Pritchard type where we need to give early touches in a game to get him going.

 

[eozsmiles]

I would have thought there would be more talk about the defence rather than last tackle options and the fact Mansour was missing, etc etc. The chooks ran in 30+ points and we know they aren't in top gear yet.

It was fair to assume the attack would suffer with the halfback missing, young Peach out, a top try scorer in Mansour missing, and coming up against a noted defensive outfit. But I'm not sure that is an excuse for the defence leaking nearly twice as many points as every other week.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

I know it is an unpopular opinion, but I really don't like Idris as one of our centres. I would move him to the forwards ASAP if Waqa Blake was ready. He's slow, is inconsistent in defense (he started the season well in this respect, but has been pretty ragged since he returned), he crabs across field so much, and I'm sick of seeing our go to "surprise" last tackle option of dumping it to him and expecting him to do something.

Also, what are we going to do with Segeyaro and Korosiau? Is the latter going to be happy playing reserve grade most weeks, or are we planning a return to a hooker on the bench (albeit, a stronger combination than Kingston/Segeyaro).

 

[billypilgrimnz]

For 2015:

1. Moylan
2. Naiqama/DWZ/Simmons
3. Whare
4. Blake
5. Mansour
6. Soward
7. Wallace
8. McKendry
9. Segeyaro
10. Manu (Bulk up and hit the line hard - He's at the age where needs to re-define his game)
11. Cartwright
12. Idris
13. Taylor

14. Latimore
15. Reagan Campbell-Gillard / Kite / Plum (Rotate to give RCG time to develop in 2015)
16. Peachey
17. Yeo / Brown / Docker / Korisau / BMM / Recruit

I actually think that's the right balance between attack/defense/mobility/speed

Wont be everyone's cup of tea though.

I think it looks fair. I would go for:

1. Moylan
2. Naiqama/DWZ
3. Whare
4. Blake/Jennings
5. Mansour/Simmons
6. Soward
7. Wallace
8. McKendry
9. Segeyaro
10. New Recruit
11. Cartwright
12. Idris
13. Taylor

14. Peachey/Korosiau
15. Manu/Latimore/Kite/RCG/Yeo/BMM/Brown
16. Manu/Latimore/Kite/RCG/Yeo/BMM/Brown
17. Manu/Latimore/Kite/RCG/Yeo/BMM/Brown

I assume Robinson is gone, otherwise he'd be an option too.

We still lack for options at half. I hope we spend the next year scoping out young, exciting half prospects and start phasing Wallace out in 2016.

 

[mxlegend99]

What about Peachey at centre?

1. Moylan
2. Mansour
3. Peachey
4. Whare
5. DWZ / Naiqama / Blake
6. Soward
7. Wallace
8. McKendry
9. Segeyaro
10. Manu
11. Idris
12. Cartwright
13. Taylor

14. and 15. Korisau / Brown / Yeo / Docker
16. and 17. Latimore / Kite / RCG / BMM / Anderson

Peachey is a weapon and needs as many minutes as possible. Bit small for the forward pack, but could easily go to Centre IMO.

Left side with Mansour, Peachey and Cartwright together. Right side with Idris, Whare and DWZ or Naiqama. Moylan to work on ball playing and eventually shifting to halves. With DWZ to fullback and Naiqama and Blake fighting for that wing spot.

By the end of the year I think Kite needs to be gone. If not before the season kicks off.

 

[chrisD]

Anderson is more of what we have. RCG might be able to provide impact but I don't expect so yet at FG level. Grant is clicking his heels in NSW Cup, he's capable of being what we need but the coach doesn't want him and he looks like he's got half a foot already out the door.