Raking

[docbrown]

Agree. And having played when you were allowed to strike for the ball, I'm pretty sure that they had changed the rule that you could only rake it backwards from marker, and weren't allowed to kick it forward.

When it was allowed, it didn't happen that often anyway, and is still a risky way to try and steal posession, as if it didn't come off - you gave the other team 6 more tackles.

Bringing it back in would also make them play the ball correctly IMO, knowing there is the chance they could lose possession if done poorly.

This.

It wouldn't happen often but it has a flow on effect for the rest of the game.

 

[_snafu_]

If raking was to be re-introduced, then the game should be called Rakeball. No doubt southwalesrabbitoh would agree with me.

 

[Parra]

Uh-oh... another 'ideas' post.

Just curious to know what people think of raking at play the balls. Too messy? Or does it throw another contest into the game?

We allow one on one strips - how about when a player has made a one on one tackle, the defender can rake the play the ball?

Raking, playing the ball forward, quick taps without a marker, stripping the ball were all great plays that should never have been outlawed. Can't see any of them making a comeback though.

 

[the rebel]

I would love to see league adopt the quick throw in (or something similar) like union. The defending team could either allow the ball to go into touch resulting in a scrum or tap and go. It would allow the full backs more open play and it would speed up the game.

 

[docbrown]

Raking, playing the ball forward, quick taps without a marker, stripping the ball were all great plays that should never have been outlawed. Can't see any of them making a comeback though.

Didn't Thurston try that on Saturday?

My rule ammendments:

* A 40 metre kick advantage rule - from within a team's own half into opposition half - so defence has to cover it and creates a 13 on 11/12 scenario encouraging ball to be thrown around in a teams own half. It's risk and wouldn't be tried often but has a consequence for the rest of the game.

* One on one rake - players that have been taken down one on one usually have been done so with a scrambling defence. The defence is already rewarded with a strip, but why should the attacking team be allowed to have a scrappy play the ball. A one-on-one rake would encourage better play the ball, introduce a potential man on man contest and might also create for a defensive strategy where a team down on points gives up on gang tackles and tries to recover the ball by going one on one - that also opens up the attacking game as well.

* Ball kicked dead in goal to be immediately returned to kicker's line for quick tap - punishes poor kicking options and encourages more creative last tackle alternatives.

* A defensive player within 10 metres of a kicker can charge down - the ball with any part of his body except with open hands (closed fists to bat the ball are allowed as the intention wouldn't be to grab it) and not knock on -if their team then gets it, it's zero tackle. If the kicking team recovers, it's still last tackle and not a new set of six.

* A one on one hit on a kicking player is legal if the defender is already within 5 metres of the kicker - except for a dangerous position

* When there are no markers standing square, then a quick tap should be legal

 

[Desert Qlder]

What's the benefit of this?

Do you think referees are good at measuring 8 metres? Why do you think we have 10 metre lines on the field?

Would never work in practice. Has to be 5, 10 or zero metres.

They're no better at measuring ten metres than any other figure. We have ten metre lines and yet you see some refs giving nine or twelve metre marks.

Any ref with good spatial awareness could use those ten metre lines to measure out eight metres. They do train for and practice these things you'd surely be aware.

The theory behind an eight metre rule is that it would provide an advantage to defenses, thereby forcing players and coaches to come up with more creative and adventurous attacking plays. A benefit of this would be less one out running and flatness of the play. It would also make playing at a lower level less demanding and hopefully stimulate player numbers.

 

[koal4e]

Way way way too messy. If we allow that, we are moving one step closer to becoming the male orgy called rugby union.

Male Orgy....now Ive heard RU called somethings but thats a new one lol

 

[JoeD]

the full time professionals we have now

how many refs are full time? I always thought that most of the refs and touchies were part timers.

 

[POPEYE]

If raking was allowed the best player in the world would win most of the contests and Melbourne again would be demonised

 

[betcats]

If raking was allowed the best player in the world would win most of the contests and Melbourne again would be demonised

What the f**k, you talk like your some all knowing mystical rugby league prophet or something. You have no f**king idea who would be the best at raking.

 

[POPEYE]

What the f**k, you talk like your some all knowing mystical rugby league prophet or something. You have no f**king idea who would be the best at raking.

If I was to employ someone to perfect 'raking' I would approach the best dummy half in the game.

He would have to be the quickest thinker in the game.

He would have to be a man that all other players have the most difficulty in reading.

He would have to be a tackler who manipulates when he tackles.

Know anyone like that tosser?

 

[betcats]

If I was to employ someone to perfect 'raking' I would approach the best dummy half in the game.

He would have to be the quickest thinker in the game.

He would have to be a man that all other players have the most difficulty in reading.

He would have to be a tackler who manipulates when he tackles.

Know anyone like that tosser?

Cam Smith is an obvious choice if you had to pick someone, i get that.

You say it as if its a fact though, as well as Melbourne would be demonised for it. Neither of these are fact, they're just your opinions. I would pick a lot of halves to be good rakers as well but for all we know Adrian f**king Purtell might be the best raker of all time.

Stop acting like you know more then everyone else. You picked the best player in the world to be good at something that suits his position and playing style, wow your so enlightened.

 

[POPEYE]

I'm allowed to have my opinions without being ostracised for them. If you want me to treat you like you're not talking through your hat do the same for me.

Your last sentence says it all. How many would be able to out perform Smith and how many would put up with Melbourne having another advantage?

The only reason there's a rule saying you can't steal a ball in a two-man tackle is that Brisbane won too many games because they had the best exponent of it.

George Peponis won many a Doggy game because he was unstoppable toeing the ball forward close to the line.

Glad to know you think I might be training in rocket science

 

[betcats]

It wouldnt be another advantage, just Smith being better then everyone. Thats if he was better then everyone at it. Your entilted to your opininions no doubt. Its just something about the way you express them that shits me up the wall.

I dunno what the f**k your talking about rocket science for you silly f**k.

 

[POPEYE]

It wouldnt be another advantage, just Smith being better then everyone. Thats if he was better then everyone at it. Your entilted to your opininions no doubt. Its just something about the way you express them that shits me up the wall.

I dunno what the f**k your talking about rocket science for you silly f**k.

The reason it shits you up the wall is that you're not capable of comprehending that I word my posts with the intention of generating a reaction.

I will however always talk to anyone in a manner suiting a respectful conversation once I realise being defensive is not necessary.

The number of people on these types of forums however that deserve consideration is far too few, hence my conceitedness . . . I am a good bloke to have a beer with however

 

[betcats]

The reason it shits you up the wall is that you're not capable of comprehending that I word my posts with the intention of generating a reaction.

I will however always talk to anyone in a manner suiting a respectful conversation once I realise being defensive is not necessary.

The number of people on these types of forums however that deserve consideration is far too few, hence my conceitedness . . . I am a good bloke to have a beer with however

lol I know your a troll, ive been a victim before but sometimes i just cant help myself. Just because your hoping for a reaction doesnt mean your not a silly f**king wanker.

As for having a beer, im sure if you tried to pull your LU antics in most pubs you would probably get your head kicked in pretty quickly.

 

[POPEYE]

lol I know your a troll, ive been a victim before but sometimes i just cant help myself. Just because your hoping for a reaction doesnt mean your not a silly f**king wanker.

As for having a beer, im sure if you tried to pull your LU antics in most pubs you would probably get your head kicked in pretty quickly.

There you go . . . you see only what you want to see. You call someone a troll who takes pride in not iniating but terminating.

I'll have you know there's an art in being considered a bloke that can be relied upon to help his mates continue the fight against wives and girlfriends

dragging them away from their rightful place at the bar. Matter of fact, I'm very well thought of

 

[Desert Qlder]

If raking was allowed the best player in the world would win most of the contests and Melbourne again would be demonised

It is an interesting proposition as to who would be the better rakers from the modern game.

It takes no spectacular power of logic to determine that Smith may be up there. As to others, I'd say some of the other hookers like Farah, Ennis et al would have their cracks. But also some of the cheekier backrowers and centres may also be proficient at the skill. Let's say guys like Hodges, Lyon, Hilder, Anasta and dare I say Paul Gallen.

 

[POPEYE]

It is an interesting proposition as to who would be the better rakers from the modern game.

It takes no spectacular power of logic to determine that Smith may be up there. As to others, I'd say some of the other hookers like Farah, Ennis et al would have their cracks. But also some of the cheekier backrowers and centres may also be proficient at the skill. Let's say guys like Hodges, Lyon, Hilder, Anasta and dare I say Paul Gallen.

It is reasonable to expect that most play the balls would be a contest between anyone of 13 players and 1 specialist.

In fact, most tackles are designed to give the specialist dummy half time to get into place.

To expect a player that gets tackled a dozen times in a game to have the presence of mind against one that's at dummy half a hundred or more is a bit much.

 

[docbrown]

If the one-on-one rake was introduced, then I think you would see defensive coordinators actually start coaching it as a potential back up play. You'd have your go to specialists, but don't be surprised if teams have back ups so that it could happen with any player.

Turning the defense into the offense. It brings a whole new dimension back into the game. I say bring it in.