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Jane Murray

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Panthers halfback Nathan Cleary has taken his game up a gear this season and could lead a "superpower" team for the next half a decade, according to Newcastle legend Andrew Johns.

"He's gone to another level," Johns told Wide World of Sports Immortal Behaviour.

"Halfbacks come into their best time around 26 ... but he's only 23. Where he gets to in that time, and the players around him at Penrith, I just hope they all stay together. That could be a superpower for four, five, six years."


Cleary was all over the field for Penrith last night, playing a starring role in a game that hung in the balance with a few minutes left.

"Yeah, he's clutch isn't he?... He held us together tonight," teammate Kurt Capewell said after Penrith's 20-12 win over Brisbane, where Cleary banged a 45m field goal and then scored a try to seal the match.


He also set up a try and kicked brilliantly all night, including a 40/20 attempt that bamboozled Xavier Coates on Brisbane's right wing.

Johns said that kicking game and the organisation had been present since Cleary's first grade debut in 2016, but it was the other strings to his bow that had made him stand out further.
"What we haven't seen from Nathan is the out-and-out creativity like a [Cameron] Munster, like in game three of Origin when Munster was doing stuff, taking risks, kicking on play one," Johns said.

"You don't really see that from Nathan, but you're starting to see it. He's starting to go away from the structure and play more ad-lib ... that's the next development."

Johns said he wasn't necessarily needed to create with the brilliant Jarome Luai outside him, but that he was adding that to his game at the right moments anyway.

"I'm seeing him starting to create. Where he gets to in the game, it's frightening if he stays injury-free, because you can see how much he loves it."

The plaudits rolled in for Cleary after last night's game, as the Panthers extended their remarkable regular-season winning streak.

Johns said Cleary's mind was as important as his physical gifts, and that his mental strength was also helping him lift his game beyond what we've seen in past years.

"I thought after Origin One last year in Adelaide, I thought maybe he needed to be rested because he'd been on such a rollercoaster with the grand final and then losing game one. But then he comes out in game two and is man of the match, so it just goes to show our mentally tough he is," Johns said.

"He's a special player, we all can see that."
 

The Realist

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So I watched both of the Momirovski 'no passes' and they were shockers. Whilst they weren't guaranteed tries because I couldn't see where the Brisbane Fullback and cover was, you could say that were both 75% chance botched tries and even if we didn't get tries we'd be 30 metres up field with a scattered defense.

It was a poor performance with ball in hand from him.
 

Kilkenny

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It is a very surreal environment when we find so much fault in one player or another when we have lost one game, albeit a rather important one, in our last 24 games.

Sometimes I think we all need to take a chill pill and enjoy what is a great ride.

Who would have ever in there wildest imagination thought we would have enjoyed such a winning streak. Given our history we have been blessed in recent times and I include Hooks three years at the helm as they were successful seasons as well.
 

WestyLife

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It is a very surreal environment when we find so much fault in one player or another when we have lost one game, albeit a rather important one, in our last 24 games.

Sometimes I think we all need to take a chill pill and enjoy what is a great ride.

Who would have ever in there wildest imagination thought we would have enjoyed such a winning streak. Given our history we have been blessed in recent times and I include Hooks three years at the helm as they were successful seasons as well.

If there's something worth criticism people are going to mention it.
 

Original Name

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Happy how the defensive line held up apart from the break up the guts, which I don't think happens if Api is there instead of Kenny or May isn't defending at lock. Ivan seemed to start Martin in the middle and then move him wide.

Despite us actually winning the game at the end, I did think the Broncos looked the stronger/fitter in the last 20mins. Bit worrying.

Credit to Crichton, the halves and JFH for stepping up at the end. To'o was a constant.
Rewatch the try. May marked up and did his job in that aspect. It was Cleary who went made his tackle and fell back to his short side (which was the right thing to do from his perspective) when we needed him to fill the gap. What should have happened is someone tells Cleary to fill the gap it's usually the fbs job but defenders in the line still communicate to a degree. Crichton should have done it but May should have been shouting he needs someone there to fill it so Yeo hears May shouting so sends Cleary to that side and Cleary probably runs him down from behind as he goes past May.

It's standard for a decent FB to organise the line like this and you'd expect to not even notice this if Edwards is playing and just put it down to Cleary but this is high standards for a defender regarding someone defending in the middle tbf to May. Like organisation in the line regularly not just in his position but when others are short is something Wallace would do. The commination we need more this side to usually the experienced edge players doing it.
 
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chrisD

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Rewatch the try. May marked up and did his job in that aspect. It was Cleary who went made his tackle and fell back to his short side (which was the right thing to do from his perspective) when we needed him to fill the gap. What should have happened is someone tells Cleary to fill the gap it's usually the fbs job but defenders in the line still communicate to a degree. Crichton should have done it but May should have been shouting he needs someone there to fill it so Yeo hears May shouting so sends Cleary to that side and Cleary probably runs him down from behind as he goes past May.

It's standard for a decent FB to organise the line like this and you'd expect to not even notice this if Edwards is playing and just put it down to Cleary but this is high standards for a defender regarding someone defending in the middle tbf to May. Like organisation in the line regularly not just in his position but when others are short is something Wallace would do. The commination we need more this side to usually the experienced edge players doing it.
And markers have to take some responsibility for space behind the ruck. Typically the marker who breaks that side should drop back if there's a need. Api would have had more awareness and done better than Kenny I expect.
 

Original Name

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And markers have to take some responsibility for space behind the ruck. Typically the marker who breaks that side should drop back if there's a need. Api would have had more awareness and done better than Kenny I expect.
The markers usually fade back if there's one market and a worryingly quick ptb. This didn't happen so Kenny probably didn't even know there was a gap back there. But you're right in that would have been simpler and quicker for May/Crichton to tell him to fade back.

Kenny moving backwards probably doesn't tackle a prop moving at pace though. Would still probably need Cleary to do some clean up work.
 
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betcats

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Kenny should’ve done better, was he square at marker? Cause it looked like he didn’t try to hard to get to the guy.
 

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