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Rd 8: Non Parra games

Gronk

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I'm still a little unsure why Burgess was in trouble for tackling a player on the ground that wasn't held?

Sure it was aggressive but it was not high or late.

Agreed, the guy was just lying there he was free game as fair as i'm concerned.And how in the hell wasn't Blair sent off????

Yeh, Ray Warren kept going on about the violence of the tackle being unnecessary, and trying to tell people that there is a rule that covers that specifically. There isn't as far as I can see. The closest thing is 'behaving contrary to the true spirit of the game'....and I don't think that covers it. I'd like to see the NRL clarify exactly what rule was broken.

6. SANDBAGGING (FLOPPING)
The Code: A DEFENDER CANNOT DROP OR FALL ON A PRONE PLAYER.
Application: It is an infringement for a defender to drop, dive or fall on a player in possession of the ball who is
prone or stationary on the ground and not attempting to play-on. (A simple hand-on completes
the tackle).
Reference: Law Book - Section 15, Law 1 (i), Page 38.
 

Noise

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Voluntary Tackle: Section 11-4

. A player in possession shall not deliberately and unnecessarily allow himself to be tackled by voluntarily falling to the ground when not held by an opponent. If a player drops on a loose ball he shall not remain on the ground waiting to be tackled if he has time to regain his feet and continue play.

If they applied this rule more consistently we wouldnt have to worry about the flopping rule
 
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6. SANDBAGGING (FLOPPING)
The Code: A DEFENDER CANNOT DROP OR FALL ON A PRONE PLAYER.
Application: It is an infringement for a defender to drop, dive or fall on a player in possession of the ball who is
prone or stationary on the ground and not attempting to play-on. (A simple hand-on completes
the tackle).
Reference: Law Book - Section 15, Law 1 (i), Page 38.

Do you have a copy of the adult rules, rather than the Safeplay Code that is used for U15s....from which the above is drawn.

The adult rules do not contain a provision against 'sandbagging', as far as I'm aware. See page 38 here.

http://www.playnrl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ARL-Rules-book-2016.pdf

You will find the reference to sandbagging at the back in the juniors section.
 

Gronk

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Do you have a copy of the adult rules, rather than the Safeplay Code that is used for U15s....from which the above is drawn.

The adult rules do not contain a provision against 'sandbagging', as far as I'm aware. See page 38 here.

http://www.playnrl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ARL-Rules-book-2016.pdf

You will find the reference to sandbagging at the back in the juniors section.

David Middleton said that it was a rule which applied to the SBurgess flop this morning on 2MMM.
 
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Again, Middleton said it. I just googled the keywords.

You can ask him here --> https://twitter.com/Middleton_David

:) I don't use twitter, and never will.

Well, Middleton isn't the one who posted it here. Sounds like Middleton just did a search through a rule book and didn't notice that the section where he got his 'hit' was in the junior rules.

They're obviously implying that it comes under the 'behaving in a way against the true spirit of the game' thing (as that is what section (i) is about).
 
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Gronk

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THE game of rugby league died in the 48th minute at Suncorp Stadium last night.

The physical contest is dead. The game has lost its soul.
When Bronco Joe Ofahengaue fell on a loose fall and took a voluntary tackle, Sam Burgess dropped on him with a legitimate shot to his ribs,
But wait.

The Broncos players reacted as if Burgess had taken their mate’s head off and came running from everywhere.

Referee Jared Maxwell lost the plot completely and gave Brisbane a penalty and gave Burgess a caution for a tackle which was perfectly legal and tough.

Remember that word. Tough!

It used to be Ok to play the game tough and make a fair tackle on a player who had dived on a loose ball and just laid down for a voluntary tackle,But not in 2016.

Referee Maxwell raced in and made himself the centre of attention as he did for most of the night with a caution that was both unnecessary and full of empty threats about putting someone in the bin.

Not once during the game did Maxwell actually back up his words and that’s a blight on him but the real blight is on the game itself when a player is penalised for a legitimate tackle on a player who has fallen on a loose ball.

Burgess hit Ofahengaue in the ribs. Not the head.

It was a strong statement from Burgess on a night when his team made a strong statement that they weren’t dead and buried for 2016 and still had plenty of fight left.

Sure, stamp out punching and stamp put the shoulder charge. Everyone agrees that those rules have made the game cleaner and safer.

But for God’s sake don’t take the toughness out of our great game. Dom’t be penalising a player for a legitimate tackle which went nowhere near the opponent’s head and was not late or dangerous.

The penalty against Souths in the 48th minute last night was a bloody joke and a sad indictment on the game.
http://rugbyleagueweek.com.au/rip-r...d=723732102743650304&adbpl=tw&adbpr=236216311
 

jk13

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Reminds me of when hodges did it to a Morris, legal but dog act. Wonder if they'll consider unsportsmanlike rulings in the future like nfl
 

Dibs

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It's not a dog act. A dog act is laying in the ground waiting for someone to touch you so a tackle is completed. Get up and play football or get smashed. Or better still start penalizing for voluntary tackles again
 

Poupou Escobar

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It's not a dog act. A dog act is laying in the ground waiting for someone to touch you so a tackle is completed. Get up and play football or get smashed. Or better still start penalizing for voluntary tackles again

Agreed. Laying down denies the defence the opportunity to force an error.
 

strider

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Titans would have to be the surprise packet of this season .... I gave them no hope but they are competing each week
 

Parra47

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Tyrone Roberts is just as over rated as Ben Roberts. My goodness how ordinary he is and he showed it again today. Our old coaching staff probably would have signed him.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Don't forget Elgey is their primary playmaker. At full strength Roberts would be fighting rookie Ash Taylor for a jersey.
 

Ring Gids

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Apart from sandbagging, you could argue that the penalty could also be blown for a shoulder charge given he didn't attempt to wrap his arms around the player.
 

emjaycee

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Not looking good for JT... or for Robbie.
Tigers were 2-1 before he came back and will soon be 0-5 since his return.
 

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