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reduce number of SL teams?

should sl reduce the number of teams?

  • yes

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • no

    Votes: 12 75.0%

  • Total voters
    16

VictoryFC

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Disgruntled soccer fans? I think its very unrealistic to hope that that happens on a regular basis. If anything, RLs best bet is to have soccer fans attending RL, not trying to convert them. The idea that someone whos been following soccer is just going to drop it and look to another sport is fanciful. It hasnt happened in any sport that I know of. The idea is to make them multi-sport supporters. Ideally, get them to have a tolerance and liking of RL at an early age.

The United anti-Glazer campaign, if anything, makes the bond with the club stronger. It is an incredibly petulant campaign if you ask me, despite what the Glazers have done. The people participating in it are getting a kick out of it, rather than being disillusioned. If they were really that disillusioned, Old Trafford wouldn't still be selling 75k tickets every week.

Again, the issue is not how to convert football fans. Its about making sports fans in general take a liking to league. Lets face it, Leeds could have become totally disillusioned by football. But it didnt, even after years of exile. All of a sudden there is a sniff of success with promotion and 40,000 flock to Elland Road. Again, its a bad angle to attract people to rugby league. Hull had no top flight team for a century was it? All of a sudden 25,000 every week in a city that is generally viewed as rugby league land. The bandwagon effect works well for soccer because of the stature of the EPL. Dont think other sports can pull it off.

Early participation in life is the safest way to win fans. Moreover, it is extremely rare that people deviate from sports they've followed for a long time. I couldn't imagine dropping soccer, league and cricket from my radar, no matter how attractive something else was, or how dire those sports were.

Get them playing early!
 
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WireMan

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Disgruntled soccer fans? I think its very unrealistic to hope that that happens on a regular basis. If anything, RLs best bet is to have soccer fans attending RL, not trying to convert them. The idea that someone whos been following soccer is just going to drop it and look to another sport is fanciful. It hasnt happened in any sport that I know of. The idea is to make them multi-sport supporters. Ideally, get them to have a tolerance and liking of RL at an early age.

The United anti-Glazer campaign, if anything, makes the bond with the club stronger. It is an incredibly petulant campaign if you ask me, despite what the Glazers have done. The people participating in it are getting a kick out of it, rather than being disillusioned. If they were really that disillusioned, Old Trafford wouldn't still be selling 75k tickets every week.

Again, the issue is not how to convert football fans. Its about making sports fans in general take a liking to league. Lets face it, Leeds could have become totally disillusioned by football. But it didnt, even after years of exile. All of a sudden there is a sniff of success with promotion and 40,000 flock to Elland Road. Again, its a bad angle to attract people to rugby league. Hull had no top flight team for a century was it? All of a sudden 25,000 every week in a city that is generally viewed as rugby league land. The bandwagon effect works well for soccer because of the stature of the EPL. Dont think other sports can pull it off.

Early participation in life is the safest way to win fans. Moreover, it is extremely rare that people deviate from sports they've followed for a long time. I couldn't imagine dropping soccer, league and cricket from my radar, no matter how attractive something else was, or how dire those sports were.

Get them playing early!

People who move out of the cities tend to do that as they have a family though. so a bloke wants to watch some sport and have a beer with his mates. Goes to the rugby. Has a laugh, and decides to take his son. We have another fan.

i know a few people that watch the rugby because they won't put anymore money into the football team. They will still support the football, but from afar.
 

Teddyboy

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Since the late 1960's Rugby League in England has had a hard sell apart from the CC final and the odd derby.
I really can not see any future for the sport and that really pisses me off as Rugby Union in Europe has grown in the past 15 years.
 

WireMan

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Since the late 1960's Rugby League in England has had a hard sell apart from the CC final and the odd derby.
I really can not see any future for the sport and that really pisses me off as Rugby Union in Europe has grown in the past 15 years.

Of course there is a future for the sport! You live up in a Football area with no Rugby teams so in the local media you probably got a lot of Jonny Wilkinson or Alan Shearer.

In areas where League is played Union only really gets a mention on the news when the 6 nations is on. I could not tell you whats been happening in Rugby Union for a while, i know we beat Australia in a match but lost a few others.

Hence to grow the sport in other areas we need a good international game. Not more teams spread out etc. I'd focus on improving Wales not France.
 

Evil Homer

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Since the late 1960's Rugby League in England has had a hard sell apart from the CC final and the odd derby.
I really can not see any future for the sport and that really pisses me off as Rugby Union in Europe has grown in the past 15 years.
Change the record.
 

Teddyboy

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Change the record.
Why should i change the record when the facts iof there for me:roll:
League in England did have a revival from the mid 1980's but i really care about the game but it just seems to be going around in circles with no real progress.

If you want an example of crowds in the 1980's/90's then check out this site and look up previous seasons.
http://wigan.rlfans.com/.
And then check out Super League crowds in the results section.
http://www.superleague.co.uk/.
 

Evil Homer

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http://wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/index.php?page_id=489

So Wigan are currently averaging roughly the same as in the 1980s, when they were by far the biggest club in the UK and probably the world. No other club came close to those Wigan figures. Crowds for almost every club are as high now as they have been since the 1960s. Your posts are boring and without any sort of substance, if you didn't have such a high post count I would think you were a troll.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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http://wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/index.php?page_id=489

So Wigan are currently averaging roughly the same as in the 1980s, when they were by far the biggest club in the UK and probably the world. No other club came close to those Wigan figures. Crowds for almost every club are as high now as they have been since the 1960s. Your posts are boring and without any sort of substance, if you didn't have such a high post count I would think you were a troll.

He's a troll. Ignor him. Hand him a rope if he is really upset about it but other wise ignor him.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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Since the late 1960's Rugby League in England has had a hard sell apart from the CC final and the odd derby.
I really can not see any future for the sport and that really pisses me off as Rugby Union in Europe has grown in the past 15 years.

Iam starting to get depressed because it seems Illawarra,Cronulla,Gold Coast,Penrith,Eastern Suburbs,Souths,Central Coast,Perth etc don't want League in fact who really wants to support Rugby League in Australia:(

Hmmmm, obvious troll is obvious.
 

Teddyboy

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http://wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/index.php?page_id=489

So Wigan are currently averaging roughly the same as in the 1980s, when they were by far the biggest club in the UK and probably the world. No other club came close to those Wigan figures. Crowds for almost every club are as high now as they have been since the 1960s. Your posts are boring and without any sort of substance, if you didn't have such a high post count I would think you were a troll.
f**k off and just because i have a different view doesn't make me a troll.:x
 

Teddyboy

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Hmmmm, obvious troll is obvious.
Hmmmmmmmmmm obvious iam not a troll as i just see things how i see and will comment on them and this is an forum and my views are part of the forum like every League lover.
f**k you for being narrow minded as i would love to see League do well in my own country but i just don't think it will happen but if it does iam happy to be proven wrong.
 

WireMan

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Hmmmmmmmmmm obvious iam not a troll as i just see things how i see and will comment on them and this is an forum and my views are part of the forum like every League lover.
f**k you for being narrow minded as i would love to see League do well in my own country but i just don't think it will happen but if it does iam happy to be proven wrong.

Where do you watch Rugby League? Newcastle?

You gonna tell me that Warrington, Widnes, Saints and Wigan are playing at the same level as the 1980's?

I was watching rugby in the 80's, in a crowd of a few thousand in a stadium whose capacity was getting reduced every season due to another bit falling off! Yes that was actually true i stood in the same place every week and one week there was tape around it because it turns out it was about to collapse, happy days.

Widnes and Warrington have a new stadium, Saints are getting one. Wigan have a premiership ground to play in. What part of that is the death of Rugby league?

My advice, if you want rugby move. Yorkshire is down the road, try there.
 

Teddyboy

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Where do you watch Rugby League? Newcastle?

You gonna tell me that Warrington, Widnes, Saints and Wigan are playing at the same level as the 1980's?

I was watching rugby in the 80's, in a crowd of a few thousand in a stadium whose capacity was getting reduced every season due to another bit falling off! Yes that was actually true i stood in the same place every week and one week there was tape around it because it turns out it was about to collapse, happy days.

Widnes and Warrington have a new stadium, Saints are getting one. Wigan have a premiership ground to play in. What part of that is the death of Rugby league?

My advice, if you want rugby move. Yorkshire is down the road, try there.
Yes the early 1980's crowd were bad and i say Wigan,Leeds,Hull,St. Helens,Hull KR and Warrington are getting good crowds but then it pisses me off that St.Helens can get 15000 one week and 9000 the next and that is the same for the top SL teams.
My point also being that i can not see the sport expanding and it's the same old story if you can remember clubs like Kent,Mansfield,Gateshead etc.And the likes of Wakefield,Salford etc should be in the Super League as there support base is more like div 3-semi pro Soccer.
 

WireMan

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Yes the early 1980's crowd were bad and i say Wigan,Leeds,Hull,St. Helens,Hull KR and Warrington are getting good crowds but then it pisses me off that St.Helens can get 15000 one week and 9000 the next and that is the same for the top SL teams.
My point also being that i can not see the sport expanding and it's the same old story if you can remember clubs like Kent,Mansfield,Gateshead etc.And the likes of Wakefield,Salford etc should be in the Super League as there support base is more like div 3-semi pro Soccer.

But it is expanding. There are teams in France and Wales now.

The crowds are better than div 3 football, and the places where Rugby is played it is popular.

Not sure why you are so negative on the future of the game. There are places it won't expand to, but there are places it can. Included small expansions like in areas it is already popular. The increase in crowds and participation in heartlands is an expansion. Considering the North West is football country, to have so many teams is fantastic. Smaller football clubs struggle to survive, yet the rugby has survived on a lot less now for over a hundred years.

Now the base is there, it can be built on.
 

Teddyboy

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But it is expanding. There are teams in France and Wales now.

The crowds are better than div 3 football, and the places where Rugby is played it is popular.

Not sure why you are so negative on the future of the game. There are places it won't expand to, but there are places it can. Included small expansions like in areas it is already popular. The increase in crowds and participation in heartlands is an expansion. Considering the North West is football country, to have so many teams is fantastic. Smaller football clubs struggle to survive, yet the rugby has survived on a lot less now for over a hundred years.

Now the base is there, it can be built on.

I think that Rugby League can expand in a semi -pro way meaning say you got Super League now and it's a closed shop but then you have what is happining now with the Cooperative championship and championship 1 but with area divisons and that could include a french area and getting crowds from 300 to 2000 would be the aim alongside a thriving clubhouse.
Now i think something with a grass roots aim and based on the many non-league semi-pro clubs e.g.Northern Premier League but with no step up to Super League only being able to compete in the Challenge Cup might be the way to spread the League gospel.
 

deluded pom?

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but then it pisses me off that St.Helens can get 15000 one week and 9000 the next and that is the same for the top SL teams.


Saints rarely get 15,000 plus. The game against Wigan being the exception. Maybe the lesser sub 10,000 gates are against Yorkshire teams on a Friday night or poorly supported Lancashire ones. Have you tried the crawl over the M62 during rush hour lately?
 

Teddyboy

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Try Lancashire Teddy. Or even better, try Cheshire. Lovely part of the world and the place where it's all happening. ;-)
Yes maybe Rugby League can do plan B and have a southern/Wales semi pro League along side a Lancashire/Cumbria,Yorkshire/North East/ and French League.
:)Yes i can see it now with cosy litte grounds filled with anything from 400-2000 Rugby League die-hards and newbies drinking nice beer and having lovely burgers for £2.50 as well as pop and hot drinks and watching players who could be postman or students who get a little bit of dosh for playing entertaining Rugby and then back in the clubhouse where the players mix with the fans and the beer is social club prices from Barrow to York,South Wales to Penzance and over to Toulouse,no real tv driven money just a club for the people.
 

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