Rejoice in Hagan's pain!!!

[Matt23]

the second was andrew johns' back (or that dragon players knee.. was it ryles?).

It was Luke Bailey...the dragqueen fans thought it hillarious at the time..."Joey got bailed up" etc

 

[perverse]

It was Luke Bailey...the dragqueen fans thought it hillarious at the time..."Joey got bailed up" etc

ah yes.. bailey..

yeah, hilarious wasn't it?

 

[Karmawave]

When did this thread turn into a direct comparison as a coach between Smith and Hagan?

I mentioned a one game comparison, not a career.

Hagan is nowhere near as experienced as a coach as Brian Smith and comparing the two over the course of a career is ridiculous. I still maintain Hagan outcoached Smith in the 2001 Grand Final however ( and the result shows this ), but does that make him a better overall coach during an entire career span? Of course not.

Reading a few posts here, you'd think that anyone could coach a rugby league team to win a competition merely because the team is packed with stars.

For those people thinking a strong playing roster guarantees premierships, you might want to consider Warren Ryans efforts with a gun Tigers team in the late 90's, Nathan Browns efforts with a gun St George team in recent years. How many comps did Gus Gould win with a Brad Fittler led Roosters team?

By using your method of comparison, you are practically saying that Jack Gibson is only a good coach because he benefitted from the stars in his line up.

If I am overplaying Hagans contribution to winning the 2001 grand final, then a lot of you are sure underestimating his contribution, because love him or hate him, he had to coach the team through every round and semi finals

But lastly, the most ridiculous thing of all, is saying Hagan only won the competition because of the groundwork laid by Warren Ryan.

Its ridiculous for one major reason:- Warren Ryan inherited a premiership winning team from Mal Reilly, yet didn't win a competition with the Knights while he coached here.How much more groundwork did Ryan need?

Yet when Michael Hagan wins in 2001, with essentially the same line up Warren Ryan had the year before, its all because of Warren Ryan? Give me a break.

Michael Hagan wasn't even an understudy to Warren Ryan at the Knights when he took over. From memory, he led Canberra's reserve grade team to a premiership win the year before - though it may have just been deep into the semis. Maybe his Raiders reserve grade team were so good they were the reason for success?

 

[Hanscholo]

The Tigers played in back to back GF's and were incredibly unlucky not to win one of them. The tigers were also nowhere near the team that either Canterbury or Canberra were in those games. Gould, much like Ryan did in Newcastle built the team that went on to lose to the Broncos and beat the Warriors in 2 GF's.

I think David Waite, Mal Reilly and Warren Ryan built that 2001 team. Your right it wasnt just wok. It certainly wasnt Hagan however.

Regardless, even if you set 2001 aside and say Hagan was superb, what he did in the subsquent years was evidence enough for me at least that he wasnt up to managing a long term coaching spot...just on the basis of his hiring policy alone.

 

[Karmawave]

\Regardless, even if you set 2001 aside and say Hagan was superb, what he did in the subsquent years was evidence enough for me at least that he wasnt up to managing a long term coaching spot...just on the basis of his hiring policy alone.

And with that I agree 100%

 

[mrford61]

Joey, Bedsy, Kennedy, Simpson, O'Davis, Tahu, Gidley, Doogs... it was a pretty awesome team. When Joey played, how many games lost all season? I think three (including round 1)?

Anyway, the point was more that it was a team full of big game experience which was scant in the Eels side. Just another viewpoint as to why they mightn't have seemed as "wound up" as Karma is telling us the Eels were.

Agree as far as player roster goes but I was referring to the Storms dominance of the season in general. They were a pretty safe bet, not sure we were in 01.

 

[Danish Moo Cow]

I'll never forget Hagan's retention policies. Letting go of Kennedy to rebuild Manly is unforgivable, but to have Inglis scouted for months only to show up on a game day and say he was off limits, under our noses, was dead-set embarrassing.

 

[antonius]

But lastly, the most ridiculous thing of all, is saying Hagan only won the competition because of the groundwork laid by Warren Ryan.

Its ridiculous for one major reason:- Warren Ryan inherited a premiership winning team from Mal Reilly, yet didn't win a competition with the Knights while he coached here.How much more groundwork did Ryan need?

Yet when Michael Hagan wins in 2001, with essentially the same line up Warren Ryan had the year before, its all because of Warren Ryan? Give me a break.

Michael Hagan wasn't even an understudy to Warren Ryan at the Knights when he took over. From memory, he led Canberra's reserve grade team to a premiership win the year before - though it may have just been deep into the semis. Maybe his Raiders reserve grade team were so good they were the reason for success?

The team we had in 2001 was due to the work of a lot of people in previous years (including Ryan). All Hagan did was turn up and win in 2001 with a team that was already here when he arrived, he had nothing to do with any of the recruitment that year. However Ryan certainly recruited some core members of that side.
After 2001 Hagan gradually dismantled everything that had been done here and the facts speak for themselves. We went backwards every year he was here until finally we won the spoon. (Check for yourself)
Warren Ryan would have Hagan for breakfast in the coaching game.

 

[Frederick]

Seems like our ex-Supercoach still hasn't come to grips with the new interchange laws...he'd used 8 by the 55th minute tonight!