Reserve grade match on Nine

[TheFrog]

with the effort he put in RCG could of suited up for Reggie’s today as well, 47m FMD

You don't mention his 34 tackles. Someone's gotta do it.

 

[TheFrog]

Now that it's over, 3 straight penalties. This ref is a muppet.

 

[franklin2323]

Now that it's over, 3 straight penalties. This ref is a muppet.

We are just a dumb team

 

[Das Hassler]

Now that it's over, 3 straight penalties. This ref is a muppet.

No he's not....ridiculous dumb stuff seemed to be the mission statement today...first half Jed C seemed to be daring them to penalise him every chance he got..the push in the ruck penalty was so stupidly unnecessary it should be a fine

 

[GongPanther]

One thing is for sure, it can't get any worse for this club of ours.

 

[Kev07]

Our depth doesn't look too good

 

[Das Hassler]

I'm a Luai fan ...though at the moment he seems to have the best and worst of Shaun Johnson's game in him.

 

[franklin2323]

Our depth doesn't look too good

Our depth is the poorest it has been for atleast 5 years. Too many players let go with no replacements signed

 

[TheFrog]

No he's not....ridiculous dumb stuff seemed to be the mission statement today...first half Jed C seemed to be daring them to penalise him every chance he got..the push in the ruck penalty was so stupidly unnecessary it should be a fine

No argument there, but the Magpies were quite fond of flopping and wrestling in the ruck, and got away with it. It's called refereeing one side, and he's a muppet.

 

[franklin2323]

I'm a Luai fan ...though at the moment he seems to have the best and worst of Shaun Johnson's game in him.

You get that with those x factor players

 

[Abacus]

You don't mention his 34 tackles. Someone's gotta do it.

Seriously Frog, go have a look at the quality of those tackles. He was like a wet lettuce leaf for most of them.

 

[TheFrog]

Seriously Frog, go have a look at the quality of those tackles. He was like a wet lettuce leaf for most of them.

He needs to run more, no doubt about it. But the stats say 34 tackles, 3 missed and nil ineffective. This isn't world-beating mind you, but it was the third highest in our team behind Tamou and JFH. He's meeting defensive expectations but not attacking expectations. Maybe this is in line with the priorities of the coach.

 

[Das Hassler]

No argument there, but the Magpies were quite fond of flopping and wrestling in the ruck, and got away with it. It's called refereeing one side, and he's a muppet.

I get that but that stuff is pushing the limits of the rules. ..penalries for

He needs to run more, no doubt about it. But the stats say 34 tackles, 3 missed and nil ineffective. This isn't world-beating mind you, but it was the third highest in our team behind Tamou and JFH. He's meeting defensive expectations but not attacking expectations. Maybe this is in line with the priorities of the coach.

Arron Woods had acceptable tackle counts at the tigers as well but most were second man flops and walking backwards bearhugs..he expended more energy getting up off his teammate than making the tackle

 

[Abacus]

He needs to run more, no doubt about it. But the stats say 34 tackles, 3 missed and nil ineffective. This isn't world-beating mind you, but it was the third highest in our team behind Tamou and JFH. He's meeting defensive expectations but not attacking expectations. Maybe this is in line with the priorities of the coach.

I was just asking you to use your eyes on the game rather than the stat sheet. Easy to have effective tackles when others do the work to stop the man - just have to put your arms around them on the way to the ground and not let go like RCG does.

 

[mxlegend99]

Our depth is the poorest it has been for atleast 5 years. Too many players let go with no replacements signed

Since 2016 it has gotten weaker each season. It was only a matter of time before we couldnt cover the losses.

Worst part is we've been leaking experienced talent and reserve grade talent. So our top 17 has gotten weaker, the amount of experienced players we had has gotten weaker and the quality of our depth has gotten weaker.

NRL experienced losses:
1. Matt Moylan
2. Christian Crichton
3. Tyrone Peachey
4. Peta Hiku
5. Robert Jennings
6. Te Maire-Martin
7. Jamie Soward
8. Jeremy Latimore
9. Peter Wallace
10. Leilani Latu
11. Bryce Cartwright
12. Corey Harawira-Naera
13. Trent Merrin

14. James Segeyaro
15. Tim Browne
16. Suiai Matagi
17. Elijah Taylor

18. Jamal Idris
19. George Jennings
20. Sitaleki Akauolo
21. Chris Grevsmuhl
22. Will smith
23. Mitch Rein
24. Michael Oldfield

Aswell as reserve graders who have gone on to become first graders like Maiko Sivo, Braidon Burns, Adam Keighran, Corey Waddell etc.

Probably more I have missed. While we have had players come in during that period. It hasn't gone close to off-setting the losses.

Going all in on 13 NRL players basically. Too many of them have had serious injuries which they never recovered from. A few before signing long-term deals aswell.

 

[TheFrog]

I was just asking you to use your eyes on the game rather than the stat sheet. Easy to have effective tackles when others do the work to stop the man - just have to put your arms around them on the way to the ground and not let go like RCG does.

Maybe you are right. I'm not inclined to watch it again to be honest.

 

[TheFrog]

NRL experienced losses:
1. Matt Moylan
2. Christian Crichton
3. Tyrone Peachey
4. Peta Hiku
5. Robert Jennings
6. Te Maire-Martin
7. Jamie Soward
8. Jeremy Latimore
9. Peter Wallace
10. Leilani Latu
11. Bryce Cartwright
12. Corey Harawira-Naera
13. Trent Merrin

14. James Segeyaro
15. Tim Browne
16. Suiai Matagi
17. Elijah Taylor

18. Jamal Idris
19. George Jennings
20. Sitaleki Akauolo
21. Chris Grevsmuhl
22. Will smith
23. Mitch Rein
24. Michael Oldfield

Of your 24, how many would you have in our 17 next match on current form?
Moylan if he were fit for sure.
Peachey
CHN probably
Merrin probably
Seg maybe (he's pulling beers for a quid)
Rein maybe
The last 2 maybes are very big maybes. Only Moylan would make our starting 13 and he's injured.
Only 1-2 definites out of 24 and one is injured, and they were all on big money.

 

[Flashstep]

Of your 24, how many would you have in our 17 next match on current form?
Moylan if he were fit for sure.
Peachey
CHN probably
Merrin probably
Seg maybe (he's pulling beers for a quid)
Rein maybe
The last 2 maybes are very big maybes. Only Moylan would make our starting 13 and he's injured.
Only 1-2 definites out of 24 and one is injured, and they were all on big money.

I think his point is that we’ve happily let so many experienced players go and have brought in next to nobody with any experience at all, instead we’ve tried to build a team with mostly inexperienced juniors and fringe reserve graders whilst giving players who’ve played maybe one or two good seasons with us massive money on long contracts and it’s really hurt us, our recruitment and retention policy has been abysmal these past few years and this season will show it.

 

[TheFrog]

I think his point is that we’ve happily let so many experienced players go and have brought in next to nobody with any experience at all, instead we’ve tried to build a team with mostly inexperienced juniors and fringe reserve graders whilst giving players who’ve played maybe one or two good seasons with us massive money on long contracts and it’s really hurt us, our recruitment and retention policy has been abysmal these past few years and this season will show it.

Yep. Poor cap management. And replacing a coach with issues with another coach with issues but a lower win rate.

 

[mxlegend99]

I think his point is that we’ve happily let so many experienced players go and have brought in next to nobody with any experience at all, instead we’ve tried to build a team with mostly inexperienced juniors and fringe reserve graders whilst giving players who’ve played maybe one or two good seasons with us massive money on long contracts and it’s really hurt us, our recruitment and retention policy has been abysmal these past few years and this season will show it.

Exactly.

Our roster has gotten weaker each season since 2016 from top to bottom. Only gradually. But it had to catch up to us sooner or later. We no longer have a strong top 17 with pressure on them from reserve grade.

You cant lose the variety of skill, experience, class and depth we have every season for a few years and not expect it to ebentually catch up to us.

Looking at what we lost... we could fix a lot of issues we have at the moment:

Peachey / Burns ahead of Whare.
Sivo / Rennings ahead of Mansour.
Moylan ahead of Maloney / Edwards (wherever you think Moyza belongs)
CHN / Cartwright ahead of Fuimaono.
Segeyaro ahead of Katoa.

Some decisions we made were hard to predict going so badly (ie. RCG going from one of the best props to the fraud we now have). Others were obviously big risks though... Whare after repeated knee injuries. Mckendry after repeated injuries. Etc. To lengthy deals.

Not paying anyone minimum wage. People defend that as if it somehow helps... yet we have 10+ players who should consider themselves lucky to even be in a top 30 letalone earning more than the minimum wage.

Giving everyone 4 or 5 year deals on huge money... the cap has been so badly managed it's ridiculous. Our chances of success rely on our starting 13 being fit and in form.

When you have Mansour and Whare years past their peak fitness and form. And Edwards and RCG looking shadows of themselves after injury... with any options to replace them not being any better you can't really expect much more than we're offering.

We're in the exact same position with our salary cap as we were before Gus arrived. Only a matter of time til we have to offload the next batch of players like we did with Coote, Jennings, Lewis etc. To fix it.

You would think moving on Moylan, Cartwright, Peachey, Merrin etc. Would fix it but no. Everyone just gets enormous upgrades. Apparently our roster is the only one in the competition that cant be kept together without killing the cap.