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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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Been criticised for a few of these names, but I'd like to see the likes of:

Wayne Bennett - should he retire
John Singleton
John Howard - seriously.
Gail Kelly
Allan Fels
Bruno Cullen
Shane Webcke
Michael Searle
Nick Politis
Frank Lowy
Chip Goodyear
Gerry Harvey
John Coates
Malcolm Speed
Graham Annesley

My biggest concern about ex players is a lack of intelligence and political/business nous to be really relevant. You have to pick the right ones. Gould would be good but he would have to quit PBL. As would Sterlo.

What i like about Gould & Webcke is they are not afraid to speak their mind..
 

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That ain't always a good trait.

Free thinkers and free minds are the way to go in my opinion. I think multiple options based around free thinking and voted on by the many, not by the few is the way of the future. Finding the best solution from a treasure trove of options thought of by highly intelligent, passionate, experienced and by nature successful people will drag this game kicking and screaming into the future. The worst possible thing we could have is few options.
 

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-to-independence/story-e6frexnr-1225936518783

Email stalls road to independence

* By Phil Rothfield and Rebecca Wilson
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* October 10, 2010 12:00AM

THE official deadline for rugby league's new independent commission is just 21 days away, but in reality there is little hope of it happening this year.

A team of lawyers is still in the process of designing and finalising a constitution which has to be given to the ARL to sign off on before it then goes to News Limited for their joint approval.

November 1 was earmarked months ago as the deadline for the commission to be up and running to tackle urgent issues such as the next TV broadcasting deal, the future of the salary cap and expansion into the Central Coast, Perth or a fourth Queensland team.

Even after the lawyers, the ARL and News Ltd have settled on the finer points, the constitution still needs to be approved by the 16 clubs, which could take weeks.

And then there is the small matter of finding - and agreeing on - eight totally independent directors and a chairman to sit on the first commission.

To slow down the process even further, an email has recently been sent from the Queensland Rugby League - from an unknown sender - to all state and country bodies to protest against the establishment of the commission.

The email urges officials to: "email or write to your local MP highlighting your concern that the rugby league Independent Commission may reduce support to your local club and negatively impact your local community.

"Club and league officials, irrespective of what level competition they represent, should protest any proposal that seeks to consolidate control of rugby league to the NRL clubs which will minimise the distribution of profits among all clubs and regions.

"They should be encouraged to stay and fight and not be bullied into resigning their position."

ARL boss Geoff Carr says the email shows there is still a split in the QRL but insisted the key players on the board were all working towards establishing the commission.
 

chefman21

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Posted this elsewhere. Rather than typing again....

I'd go

Commissioner - John Howard
Director 1 - Frank Lowy
Director 2 - Graham Annesley
Director 3 - Gail Kelly
Director 4 - Gerry Harvey
Director 5 - Chip Goodyear
Director 6 - John Coates
Director 7 - John Singleton
Director 8 - Allan Fels

Brisbane rep: Bruno Cullen
Canterbury rep: John Fahey
Canberra rep: Brad Clyde
Cronulla rep: Andrew Ettinghausen
Gold Coast rep: Michael Searle
Manly rep: Ken Arthurson
Melbourne rep: ?
Newcastle rep: Tony Butterfield
New Zealand rep: Helen Clark (?). I know she is a fan....
North Queensland rep: Paul Broughton
Parramatta rep: Peter Sterling
Penrith rep: Phil Gould
Saints rep: Roy Masters
South Sydney rep: Bob McCarthy
Sydney Roosters rep: Ron Coote
Wests Tigers rep: Warren Ryan

NSWRL rep: Sir Laurence Street
QRL rep: Shane Webcke


That's what I would do. There are passionate league people there but there are also highly intelligent, extremely successful people with backgrounds in politics and business. I think we need to cover 3 bases - business, politics and rugby league. Business people will bring us money, politicians can get through legislation in parliament via their political power and league people will give the business and political people a direction from a fans perspective.


With the league people, they are quite intelligent, but most importantly they know how to argue and debate points. It's all well and good to get fiery and passionate league players on to the commission but you need them to also be able to argue their point to the rest of the group, as well as argue to political parties and business people as well. Which is why I have the likes of Howard, Kelly, Fels and Goodyear on the group of directors.

Lowy and Coates provide a background in getting major competitions off the ground, in this case the Olympics and football. Sir Laurence Street provides a law background amongst others in the group, who will help the other parties make sure any decisions are legal.

I don't know... I just think it is a very credible group of people who provide a range of skills and backgrounds to keep the game moving. Some of them are very unlikely to join but one can only dream. I would be happy with all of them their. My only problem is Melbourne.... Can't think of anyone.
 

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Only the most naive amongst us should be surprised by this. Getting this done by November like everyone expected would have only been possible if all the stakeholders involved wanted what's best for the game. That is clearly not true. The dinosaurs who enjoy their junkets and other benefits for doing a rubbish job and News Ltd will delay this as much as possible.

Posted this elsewhere. Rather than typing again....

I'd go

Commissioner - John Howard
Director 1 - Frank Lowy
Director 2 - Graham Annesley
Director 3 - Gail Kelly
Director 4 - Gerry Harvey
Director 5 - Chip Goodyear
Director 6 - John Coates
Director 7 - John Singleton
Director 8 - Allan Fels

Brisbane rep: Bruno Cullen
Canterbury rep: John Fahey
Canberra rep: Brad Clyde
Cronulla rep: Andrew Ettinghausen
Gold Coast rep: Michael Searle
Manly rep: Ken Arthurson
Melbourne rep: ?
Newcastle rep: Tony Butterfield
New Zealand rep: Helen Clark (?). I know she is a fan....
North Queensland rep: Paul Broughton
Parramatta rep: Peter Sterling
Penrith rep: Phil Gould
Saints rep: Roy Masters
South Sydney rep: Bob McCarthy
Sydney Roosters rep: Ron Coote
Wests Tigers rep: Warren Ryan

NSWRL rep: Sir Laurence Street
QRL rep: Shane Webcke


That's what I would do. There are passionate league people there but there are also highly intelligent, extremely successful people with backgrounds in politics and business. I think we need to cover 3 bases - business, politics and rugby league. Business people will bring us money, politicians can get through legislation in parliament via their political power and league people will give the business and political people a direction from a fans perspective.


With the league people, they are quite intelligent, but most importantly they know how to argue and debate points. It's all well and good to get fiery and passionate league players on to the commission but you need them to also be able to argue their point to the rest of the group, as well as argue to political parties and business people as well. Which is why I have the likes of Howard, Kelly, Fels and Goodyear on the group of directors.

Lowy and Coates provide a background in getting major competitions off the ground, in this case the Olympics and football. Sir Laurence Street provides a law background amongst others in the group, who will help the other parties make sure any decisions are legal.

I don't know... I just think it is a very credible group of people who provide a range of skills and backgrounds to keep the game moving. Some of them are very unlikely to join but one can only dream. I would be happy with all of them their. My only problem is Melbourne.... Can't think of anyone.

Andrew Demetriou? Maybe he can take time out of his main job to give us some pointers on how to professionally run a national sporting organisation.
 

hattori hanzo

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Been criticised for a few of these names, but I'd like to see the likes of:

Wayne Bennett - should he retire
John Singleton
John Howard - seriously.
Gail Kelly
Allan Fels
Bruno Cullen
Shane Webcke
Michael Searle
Nick Politis
Frank Lowy
Chip Goodyear
Gerry Harvey
John Coates
Malcolm Speed
Graham Annesley

My biggest concern about ex players is a lack of intelligence and political/business nous to be really relevant. You have to pick the right ones. Gould would be good but he would have to quit PBL. As would Sterlo.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Frank Lowy the Chairman of the FFA (i.e. soccer)
 

chefman21

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Frank Lowy the Chairman of the FFA (i.e. soccer)

Yes. And I can already see the argument. As far as im concerned, if he tries to screw us then not a single organisation will touch him again. If he isnt interested then he can say no. If he has doubts about bias then he can say no. The thing about him is that he dragged another code that was in tatters into the 21st century. Now we are a genuine chance of hosting the biggest sporting event in the world. I want the best. He has proven he is the best. If he is professional and interested then pick him.
 

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As far as a Melbourne rep, how about Chris Johns, what's he doing these days? Glenn Lazarus is coaching in NSW so he'd be out maybe... though you never know.
 
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Why the f... are people talking about club delegates? Aren't the commissioners going to be independent? Why would there be delegates from the clubs involved? And if they were (and they will be because the clubs will be running the show) why would people think the clubs would have anyone other than their elected boards and CEOs involved?
 

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Why the f... are people talking about club delegates? Aren't the commissioners going to be independent? Why would there be delegates from the clubs involved? And if they were (and they will be because the clubs will be running the show) why would people think the clubs would have anyone other than their elected boards and CEOs involved?

Club delegates make up part of the Commission. They get one vote each, totalling 16 votes between the clubs, the QRL and NSWRL get 8 (?) votes each (totalling 16 votes) then the directors get two votes each if I recall correctly (totalling 16 votes). That way no one has a majority or holds the balance of power. And they need 75% of the vote for any legislation to go through, meaning either the QRL, NSWRL or all the directors have to be in favour with the clubs essentially assuming the clubs vote the same.
 

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This is the latest I’ve read on constitutional change:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...n-up-for-leagues-new-body-20100902-14rqx.html

As a safeguard for the game's grassroots, any constitutional change will require the support of 14 of the 16 clubs and either the NSWRL or QRL, or both – giving the NSWRL and QRL a blocking vote by siding together.

This is the latest I’ve read on changes to the Commissioners:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/commission-could-take-shape-next-week-20100831-14fmd.html

· “Under the proposal they have agreed to, the 16 clubs, the NSWRL and the QRL would each have one of 18 votes – although they would only be able to remove commissioners, not appoint them. Instead, the eight commissioners would decide on the replacements for any departing colleagues.”
 
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Club delegates make up part of the Commission. They get one vote each, totalling 16 votes between the clubs, the QRL and NSWRL get 8 (?) votes each (totalling 16 votes) then the directors get two votes each if I recall correctly (totalling 16 votes). That way no one has a majority or holds the balance of power. And they need 75% of the vote for any legislation to go through, meaning either the QRL, NSWRL or all the directors have to be in favour with the clubs essentially assuming the clubs vote the same.
The point I was really making is any talk of independent club delegates is nonsense. They will just be voting the way their board says. So recruiting some of the people mentioned to represent clubs is just pointless. If delegates are really required then just sent their CEOs or chairmen and forget the pretence that they are somehow indepependent of the clubs.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...increasingly-unachievable-20101018-16qvw.html

More meetings as commission deadline looks increasingly unachievable
Glenn Jackson
October 19, 2010

TWO meetings this week, one in the office of a Sydney accountant and the other at the Phillip Street headquarters of the NSW Rugby League, are likely to have a ''landmark'' impact on whether an independent commission is in place by November 1.

With 12 days remaining until November 1 - the date planned for the handover of the game to an independent commission - a draft of the constitution document, drawn up by independent law firm Kemp Strang, is in the hands of the ARL, the NSWRL, Queensland Rugby League, the game's co-owners News Limited and the commission's architect, Michael Searle, representing the 16 NRL clubs.

Searle, who is having lawyers review the document after receiving it yesterday, will tomorrow meet his restructure committee, which will notify the ARL of its position at the scheduled board meeting on Thursday at the NSW Leagues Club.

The 16 club chairmen will tomorrow meet at the office of a Sydney accountant to discuss the commission, the progress of which seems to have stalled in recent weeks. The chairmen have invited ARL chairman Colin Love to brief them on commission developments.

One chairman yesterday described the process as a ''farce'', and said it was ''unrealistic'' to suggest the commission would be in place by November 1. He said that with key decisions and negotiations surrounding television rights deals originally planned to be done under the new ownership structure, ''we're just wallowing''.

''The ARL … have an opportunity to deliver a lasting solution to the benefit of everyone in the game,'' the chairman said. ''They have an opportunity to be remembered very fondly in the history of the game. Alternatively, they have the opportunity to be remembered not so fondly.''

But Searle maintains hope. The wording of the draft constitution is likely to decide whether or not it is implemented quickly. If there is significant disagreement over any aspect of the document, the push towards independent ownership of the game will stall again.

The ARL meeting, therefore, could be a momentous meeting at which the push towards a commission gathers unstoppable momentum, or it could signal another setback.

The clubs ''have had enough'', according to one insider.

The QRL is also in possession of the draft, and its board will meet today. Chairman John McDonald said: ''There's been good progress. We're still in the process of going through it [the draft]. We'll have further discussions [today].''

The QRL side of the ARL is likely to support the constitution only if it is clear that anyone who has held an official position with the ARL, NSWRL, QRL, Country Rugby League, News Ltd or any club in the past three years is ineligible to be a commission member.

That would rule out Love, the ARL chairman who is from the NSWRL side. Love has been tipped to be on the first commission, as a nod to a perceived need for someone with established league management experience to be included to help kick things off.

But it is understood the draft document does not deal specifically with the sanctity of the commissioners. The commissioners will be decided well after November 1 - presuming the commission itself is even in place by then.

ARL chief executive Geoff Carr said: ''At the moment, it's progressing quite well.''
 

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The QRL side of the ARL is likely to support the constitution only if it is clear that anyone who has held an official position with the ARL, NSWRL, QRL, Country Rugby League, News Ltd or any club in the past three years is ineligible to be a commission member.

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please!!!
 

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Am I the only one who has the view that they need to put a broom through it and start with a clean slate.
Really I have a bad feeling about it because there's too many bodies who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

So really if it was me in charge like what I'd do with the Australian cricket team, I'd blow it up and start again
 

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Am I the only one who has the view that they need to put a broom through it and start with a clean slate.
Really I have a bad feeling about it because there's too many bodies who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

So really if it was me in charge like what I'd do with the Australian cricket team, I'd blow it up and start again

My biggest concern in the short term, which is likely to have long term effects, is them rushing through the whole process to reach the November 1 deadline. This has to be done properly and I for one don't want to see them screwing it up to massage their egos by reaching that deadline.
 
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