RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[El Diablo]

i'd disagree with anything you said

 

[chefman21]

i'd disagree with anything you said

I know. Measure of the man.

 

[andrew057]

Considering they would have had to leave the game completely and unconditionally anyway maybe it's not a small price.

Source?

 

[East Coast Tiger]

In 2017 News agreed to leave the game and hand its 50% share of the NRL to the clubs, it would stop being paid its $8m a year and it would also give up its last offer rights on TV rights. That was the '97 deal. We could have waited till then and we'd be rid of them. But they know that by offering something that appears better now they can a. keep the last dibs on TV rights for another five years, b. destroy the ARL who they hate and c. still take $8m a year to go to the club they own. And they know they have to act now because if they wait till closer to 2017 the ARL and others will just say, bugger it we'll wait.

 

[BunniesMan]

Source?

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In 2017 News agreed to leave the game and hand its 50% share of the NRL to the clubs, it would stop being paid its $8m a year and it would also give up its last offer rights on TV rights. That was the '97 deal. We could have waited till then and we'd be rid of them. But they know that by offering something that appears better now they can a. keep the last dibs on TV rights for another five years, b. destroy the ARL who they hate and c. still take $8m a year to go to the club they own. And they know they have to act now because if they wait till closer to 2017 the ARL and others will just say, bugger it we'll wait.

 

[Quidgybo]

So you believe him when he says what you want him to say but not when he doesn't. Genius.

Surprise, I disagree when someone says something that I don't agree with. I agree with some things that Roy says and I disagree with others. Again surprise, I don't always agree with what the person with the megaphone tells me to think. Do you?

Leigh

 

[meltiger]

Read the article. AFL celebrated when 7 lost first and last rights.

Which had nothing whatsoever to do with the money available.


The AFL got the largest contract in Australian history last time around, with 7 having first and last.


The AFL don't want anything to do with channel 7, it has nothing to do with the koney available.


So long as we have other bidders, News/C9 having first and last won't hurt the game.

 

[meltiger]

still take $8m a year to go to the club they own.

Irrelevant to anything, if News pull out of the Storm, the IC will prop them up anyway.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

You think it's irrelevant that News want $8m a year for a club they own? Will News be pulling out of the Storm? Seriously, because if there is no gaurantee that News will give up ownership of the Storm then it's absolutely relevant.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

You think it's irrelevant that News want $8m a year for a club they own? Will News be pulling out of the Storm? Seriously, because if there is no gaurantee that News will give up ownership of the Storm then it's absolutely relevant.

Weren’t News Ltd talking about selling off the club to a bunch of Melb businessmen before the salary cap scandal broke?

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Weren’t News Ltd talking about selling off the club to a bunch of Melb businessmen before the salary cap scandal broke?

They were supposed to be getting rid of all their shares in clubs years ago but it never happened. Just another reason not to trust them.

 

[m0nty]

Amidst the hysteria from the usual suspects, it should be emphasised that News is giving up $56M in revenue over the next seven years, as Roy admits. That's $4M each to teams like Cronulla, which could be the difference between them living or dying. You may say News expects to get it back in the long term with a softer 2022-27 media deal, but by that stage the ARLC should be a lot healthier. It is now when that cash injection is sorely needed, to prevent teams going to the wall.

It is a very good thing that all these ex-pollies, ex-players and ex-carpetbaggers are not going to make it onto the IC, with those places instead going to businesspeople with proven acumen. This is how an IC board should be run, like a corporate board. At least they have nailed that part of the process.

 

[El Diablo]

they're only in two clubs IIRC

 

[andrew057]

Which had nothing whatsoever to do with the money available.


The AFL got the largest contract in Australian history last time around, with 7 having first and last.


The AFL don't want anything to do with channel 7, it has nothing to do with the koney available.


So long as we have other bidders, News/C9 having first and last won't hurt the game.

Stop talking so much sense. The way Roy and some posters on here are talking, NEWS will have the only say in how big the revenue stream to the game is until 2027. Give me a break.

 

[andrew057]

Amidst the hysteria from the usual suspects, it should be emphasised that News is giving up $56M in revenue over the next seven years, as Roy admits. That's $4M each to teams like Cronulla, which could be the difference between them living or dying. You may say News expects to get it back in the long term with a softer 2022-27 media deal, but by that stage the ARLC should be a lot healthier. It is now when that cash injection is sorely needed, to prevent teams going to the wall.

It is a very good thing that all these ex-pollies, ex-players and ex-carpetbaggers are not going to make it onto the IC, with those places instead going to businesspeople with proven acumen. This is how an IC board should be run, like a corporate board. At least they have nailed that part of the process.

Hear Hear.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Amidst the hysteria from the usual suspects, it should be emphasised that News is giving up $56M in revenue over the next seven years, as Roy admits. That's $4M each to teams like Cronulla, which could be the difference between them living or dying. You may say News expects to get it back in the long term with a softer 2022-27 media deal, but by that stage the ARLC should be a lot healthier. It is now when that cash injection is sorely needed, to prevent teams going to the wall.

It is a very good thing that all these ex-pollies, ex-players and ex-carpetbaggers are not going to make it onto the IC, with those places instead going to businesspeople with proven acumen. This is how an IC board should be run, like a corporate board. At least they have nailed that part of the process.

Nonsense as usual.

News is not giving up any money. It pays the money to the NRL in the first place and then takes it out again. It has now ensured it will have power over just how much goes in for an even longer period of time. And it money it took out it put into a club it owns and now it will continue to get that money.

And as far as having business people on the IC without any people who actually give a toss about RL this will simply ensure that money will dictate every single decision and the likes of News and Nine will continue to screw the game over on matters such as broadcasts into non RL states. It also spells danger for the non professional levels of the game which will always rely on cash from the top.

 

[RL1908]

And as far as having business people on the IC without any people who actually give a toss about RL this will simply ensure that money will dictate every single decision and the likes of News and Nine will continue to screw the game over on matters such as broadcasts into non RL states. It also spells danger for the non professional levels of the game which will always rely on cash from the top.

Yes, that's the concern I have. There needs to be RL people on IC, not just proven business people who (as a bonus) happen to be RL fans.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...takes-new-turn-in-history-20101206-18myu.html

Rugby league historian Sean Fagan, whose Tribe13.com.au website honours the past, warns: ''The selection criteria [for commissioners] seems to be limited to being a rugby league fan from the big end of town.

''History has shown [that] to lead and tame a behemoth like rugby league you need people who have strong links to the game - who from personal experience as a player and administrator understand its unique culture.

"Leave those people out and the new body will undoubtedly be independent, but it will be bereft of any corporate, cultural and intellectual knowledge of rugby league.''

See also: INDEPENDENCE ALONE NOT ENOUGH

 

[meltiger]

They were supposed to be getting rid of all their shares in clubs years ago but it never happened. Just another reason not to trust them.

& given they are no longer going to have any involvement in running the game, who really cares what clubs they have a stake in.

You think it's irrelevant that News want $8m a year for a club they own? Will News be pulling out of the Storm? Seriously, because if there is no gaurantee that News will give up ownership of the Storm then it's absolutely relevant.

No, it's completely irrelevant.

Whether the money is provided to News, new Owners, or the club directly, the money will be provided by the IC. The money is being provided on a pre-condition it's for the Storm yes? If so, who cares who it directly goes to, it WILL be handed out regardless of the direct recipient.

Melbourne would not under any circumstances be allowed to fold, no matter what it takes to keep them afloat.


EC, you can complain all you like about the IC, all based within your belief that the IC is going to hurt the grassroots game (Let's be realistic, this is why you are anti-IC and you are using whatever means neccesary to knock it), but it's going ahead whether you like it or not.

Whether you're right or wrong largely doesn't matter, but it is time to build a bridge and get ready to work within the new structure once it's up and running.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

The point is, News wouldn't have got a cent for the Storm in 2017 so this is yet another advantage it has gained from this deal. Even though it was supposed to have offloaded all of its ownership of NRL clubs as part of the 1997 deal, which it has never done.

I don't like the IC because yes it will hurt the grassroots game AND international football and there's no gaurantee it will improve things like Channel Nine's attitude towards showing the game in the emerging states. In fact it doesn't gaurantee anything much. But what is worse is that it locks the entire sport of RL in this country into a crappy deal that we cannot go back on. The 1997 deal was rubbish but it had a 20 year expiry on it. This one does not. Once it happens the game is committed to a system that hands entire power over to the clubs who only care about themselves while destroying the ARL and there is no way of changing it if it doesn't work.

 

[skeepe]

The point is, News wouldn't have got a cent for the Storm in 2017 so this is yet another advantage it has gained from this deal. Even though it was supposed to have offloaded all of its ownership of NRL clubs as part of the 1997 deal, which it has never done.

News Ltd are receiving $14.5 million to cover the Storm's losses for the next 5 years. If they stayed involved as per the 1997 deal, they would have received $56 million over the remaining 7 years of the deal.

How exactly is forgoing over $40 million an "extra" advantage to them for leaving the game early?

You are right when you say that they wouldn't have received this payout to leave in 2017... but they would have taken more money and had the Storm's losses (and more) covered for 2 extra years.

I don't like the IC because yes it will hurt the grassroots game AND international football and there's no gaurantee it will improve things like Channel Nine's attitude towards showing the game in the emerging states. In fact it doesn't gaurantee anything much. But what is worse is that it locks the entire sport of RL in this country into a crappy deal that we cannot go back on. The 1997 deal was rubbish but it had a 20 year expiry on it. This one does not. Once it happens the game is committed to a system that hands entire power over to the clubs who only care about themselves while destroying the ARL and there is no way of changing it if it doesn't work.

The clubs do not run the IC. I don't know how many times it has been pointed out to you, yet you still don't get it.

I personally believe that the IC will do the opposite, and actually strengthen both the grass roots and the international game.

The way you say it, it's a fait accompli that the IC will hurt all levels of the game other than NRL, but you haven't provided one skerrick of proof to back up these claims.