RLIF Eligibility Laws

[taste2taste]

Generally yes. Fact is RL isnt globally big enough for any other system and to have competitive international tests. Personally I take competitive tests over some hand wringing from a few fans. The current rules work fine.

Problem is it isn't just a few fans winging on a forum, Mal doesn't help with his constant poorly thought out ideas.

Yesturday he was in the media saying a player should decide which country they want to represent when they sign thier first NRL contract as a teenager and then stick to that for life.

Last year he was saying if you play SOO you should be playing for the Kangaroos.

#dinosaur

 

[Iamback]

Generally yes. Fact is RL isnt globally big enough for any other system and to have competitive international tests. Personally I take competitive tests over some hand wringing from a few fans. The current rules work fine.

You think this setup of tests is better for the game? Than actual tours planned out in advanced?

If you are a sponsor why would you jump on for say a 5 year deal, When Tonga and Samoa could be very weak again

 

[Iamback]

But only within their heritage & residency countries

Most wont have more than 2 or 3

No one has any issue if you change from Tier 1 to Tier 2. It has helped grow IRL

The issues will occur when you go from

Tier 1 to Tier 1 - which you cant do

Tier 2 to Tier 1
Tier 2 to Tier 2

It doesn't grow the game when they move back though. Tonga could use Staggs on their England tour

 

[taste2taste]

You think this setup of tests is better for the game? Than actual tours planned out in advanced?

If you are a sponsor why would you jump on for say a 5 year deal, When Tonga and Samoa could be very weak again

Sponsors couldn't give a hoot if the Samoan halves could be selected for Austrlia in 3 years time. Sponsors only care about how many eyeballs will be on thier logo.

The first and most important step for this competition to be successful is for the players to put on a good open and competive game. Everything flows on from that, Sponsors, crowds, tv ratings...the worst possible outcome would be Aust beating Samoa snd NZ by 30+

 

[RedVee_8]

I think it’s ok as it is now as far as selection goes. I’m not sure about this format but am looking forward to see it. Regular, competitive RL Internationals is what I’m after.

With State of Origin I’d prefer that those that select other nations are not picked. But I recognise that will potentially screw with the Internationals that we are now experiencing.

I am wondering though what happens in another 20 or 30 years when the heritage player numbers are potentially reduced though the number of generations in Australia or New Zealand. The same would be happening with Scotland, Ireland, Greece, Italy now I suspect.

Not something I’ll need to worry about!

 

[taste2taste]

Mal Meninga is annoyed about international eligibility rules again - he should be careful what he wishes for

The Kangaroos coach has a very short memory about what the eligibility rules have given international rugby league.

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Iamback]

Sponsors couldn't give a hoot if the Samoan halves could be selected for Austrlia in 3 years time. Sponsors only care about how many eyeballs will be on thier logo.

The first and most important step for this competition to be successful is for the players to put on a good open and competive game. Everything flows on from that, Sponsors, crowds, tv ratings...the worst possible outcome would be Aust beating Samoa snd NZ by 30+

Yeah and eyeballs aren't on the product right now. Tonight will rate 1/3 of an Origin game played in a 3/4 full 27k seat Stadium...

No one cares about the International game and it won't change by keeping these same rules in place

 

[taste2taste]

Yeah and eyeballs aren't on the product right now. Tonight will rate 1/3 of an Origin game played in a 3/4 full 27k seat Stadium...

No one cares about the International game and it won't change by keeping these same rules in place

The tournament will take a few years to get going but there's huge potential. Remember the first Origin was played in front of a 1,600 crowd before it got legs.

Your assumption that eligibility rules are holding it back are ridiculous, without the current rules there wouldn't even be a game tonight. Did you read the article I posted above ?

 

[RedVee_8]

The tournament will take a few years to get going but there's huge potential. Remember the first Origin was played in front of a 1,600 crowd before it got legs.

Your assumption that eligibility rules are holding it back are ridiculous, without the current rules there wouldn't even be a game tonight. Did you read the article I posted above ?

I don’t know where you got that crowd figure. The first Origin game in 1980 was played in front of a full house at Lang Park, 30+ thousand. Games one and two that year were under the old rules, same the next year from memory.

 

[taste2taste]

I don’t know where you got that crowd figure. The first Origin game in 1980 was played in front of a full house at Lang Park, 30+ thousand. Games one and two that year were under the old rules, same the next year from memory.

You think the the first Origin was played in 1980 ? You might want to check that.

But you get the gist of what I'm saying don't you ? SOO certainly wasn't the gaint it currently is back when it first started.

 

[Iamback]

The tournament will take a few years to get going but there's huge potential. Remember the first Origin was played in front of a 1,600 crowd before it got legs.

Your assumption that eligibility rules are holding it back are ridiculous, without the current rules there wouldn't even be a game tonight. Did you read the article I posted above ?

Yes because instead of planning for the next years tests, Teams are calling around getting players onboard.

Imagine if instead of Gardner calling around every player with Samoan heritage in the comp ( As he said in an interview on NRL.com ) he could overlook a Samoan u18's team playing v Australian Schoolboys or something like that.

That builds up rapport, combinations and hopefully gets those guys to stick with Samoa for life, which solves this issue as guys make it to NRL. It also allows content to be sold to TV stations and sponsors to get more money to these smaller countries

I read it. The article doesn't mention the wait period before those players can change countries

Nor does it take into consideration the huge islander boom in playing ranks since 2017

 

[RedVee_8]

You think the the first Origin was played in 1980 ? You might want to check that.

But you get the gist of what I'm saying don't you ? SOO certainly wasn't the gaint it currently is back when it first started.

I certainly do think that. I was 18 then and remember it. I do understand what you are saying, though I don’t agree with you. The small crowds you remember were from the last death throes of games under the old eligibility rules. The Sydney games were switched to Leichhardt because of the low demand.

That first Origin hit like an explosion.


I googled up the wiki for you:
Origin 1980

 

[taste2taste]

I certainly do think that. I was 18 then and remember it. I do understand what you are saying, though I don’t agree with you. The small crowds you remember were from the last death throes of games under the old eligibility rules. The Sydney games were switched to Leichhardt because of the low demand.

That first Origin hit like an explosion.


I googled up the wiki for you:
Origin 1980

NSW v QLD dates back to the 1930s.. it only took 50 years to catch on

Ironically to this discussion Origin only took off once they changed the eligibility laws and the games become competitive.

Over time here's hoping that the Pacific Championships can have half as much success.

 

[Iamback]

NSW v QLD dates back to the 1930s.. it only took 50 years to catch on

Ironically to this discussion Origin only took off once they changed the eligibility laws and the games become competitive.

Over time here's hoping that the Pacific Championships can have half as much success.

Not in Origin rules though, A little tweek and the game boomed

 

[siv]

It doesn't grow the game when they move back though. Tonga could use Staggs on their England tour

One could argue that we now have

- Competitive Pacific nations
- first ever Tonga tour of the UK
- Samoa making the RLWC final

It has helped them beat NZ and England of late

Will it help them beat Australia - I agree probably not

But I suspect the real issue for someone like Staggs is they think of themselves as Australian first

 

[RedVee_8]

One could argue that we now have

- Competitive Pacific nations
- first ever Tonga tour of the UK
- Samoa making the RLWC final

It has helped them beat NZ and England of late

Will it help them beat Australia - I agree probably not

But I suspect the real issue for someone like Staggs is they think of themselves as Australian first

Issue?

 

[siv]

Issue?

Some people dont like players like Staggs coming back to play for Australia after playing for a Tier 2 nation

 

[RedVee_8]

Some people dont like players like Staggs coming back to play for Australia after playing for a Tier 2 nation

Ok.

 

[NRLMad]

One could argue that we now have

- Competitive Pacific nations
- first ever Tonga tour of the UK
- Samoa making the RLWC final

It has helped them beat NZ and England of late

Will it help them beat Australia - I agree probably not

But I suspect the real issue for someone like Staggs is they think of themselves as Australian first

Agree - this is the point, if the players had more opportunities to play and the pay was exactly the same then they’d probably play for their heritage teams.

 

[siv]

Agree - this is the point, if the players had more opportunities to play and the pay was exactly the same then they’d probably play for their heritage teams.

I don't think pay is a big issue anymore

Most 1st & 2nd generation Australians think of themselves as Aussies more than their parents heritage nationality, and passports reflect this too

And 3rd generation doesn't matter your officially Australian in the IRL rules