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RLWC 2026 Details soon per official account

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Dr T

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Apologies for the long post:

I’m going to take a more traditional view of what the tournament could look like if we go to 16 teams with 4 pools of 4 teams.

Assuming we take the top 16 teams according to IRL rankings (hypothetically), that is:

Australia, New Zealand, England, Tonga, Samoa, PNG, Fiji, France, Netherlands, Cook Islands, Serbia, Wales, Malta, Greece, Ukraine, Lebanon.

We then construct the groups according to the rankings so that we have two sides of the draw culminating in the top 4 meeting in the semis, if results go the way of rankings.

The groups will look like this:

Group A: Australia, France, Netherlands, Lebanon

Group B: NZ, Fiji, Cook Islands, Ukraine

Group C: England, PNG, Serbia, Greece

Group D: Tonga, Samoa, Wales, Malta



Teams play games within each pool, and the top two go into the quarter finals knockout phase.

The games should be hosted in venues that make sense, and within nearby regions to minimise travel during the group games, so without going through all the games, this particular arrangement could have:

Group A could all be hosted in Sydney/Newcastle/Gosford/Wollongong region

Group B could be hosted in Melbourne/Adelaide/Perth/Canberra (a bit more travel but at most a couple hours flight)

Group C could be hosted in PNG

Group D could be hosted in Brisbane/Gold Coast/Townsville/Cairns

NZ v Fiji in Melbourne; Tonga v Samoa at Suncorp etc.

3 weeks of pool games + 3 weeks of finals

Each pool group plays 2 games per week = 8 games per week x 3 weeks = 24 venues to choose from.



The quarter finals would look like this, if results go the way of rankings:

Winner A vs D runner up; Winner B vs C runner up etc

QF1: Australia v Samoa at Sydney

QF2: NZ v PNG at PNG

QF3: England v Fiji at Melbourne

QF4: Tonga v France at Brisbane



Semi-finals are hosted in non-final hosting cities to make it fairer.

SF1: Aus v Tonga at Melbourne

SF2: NZ v England at Sydney



Final: Aus v NZ at Brisbane



Of course, we could get radically different results from the above but the point is that using a traditional tournament structure we will still get the big clashes but also give other countries an opportunity to participate in a fair way.

Also note that even if two teams are in the same group they can still meet in the final.



Why do I post this?
To show that if we move to a more traditional format you increase exposure by allowing more teams to join in, and yes, that includes the developing nations. You also make it look like a more legitimate structure, not some strange structure that is geared towards certain big clashes and is changed every single world cup. This is a ludicrous situation and makes the whole sport lose credibility. We need to regain credibility as a priority.

The downside is that you will have potentially more blowouts in some of the games (compared to the proposed 10 team structure) because you are pairing up the tier 1 nations with developing nations. But honestly we see this in the rugby and soccer as well (to a lesser extent) - it's something we have to suffer through unfortunately.

I’m not sure this is the right solution but wanted to put it out there for discussion. Thoughts?
 

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Pool A
Australia
New Zealand
Lebanon
Fiji

Pool B
France
Tonga
PNG

Pool C
England
Samoa
Cook Islands (South Africa)

I had an idea a while ago of a 'magic round' sort of concept for the world cup, which won't work in this world cup due to PNG being hosts, the travel for France and England, etc etc.

I do think double headers should be utilised a bit though. Idea being to take advantage of touring parties and having fans travel together.

Round 1
Australia vs NZ - Allianz (Friday 7:30pm)

Lebanon v Fiji -Belmore/Commbank (Saturday 3pm)
France v England - Perth ( Saturday - 6pm Perth/8pm Sydney/10am UK/11am France)

Tonga v Cook Islands - Redcliffe (Sunday 4pm)
PNG v Samoa -Port Moresby (Sunday 2pm)

Round 2
Australia v Lebanon - Melbourne (Friday 7:30pm)

NZ v Fiji - Allianz (Double header) (Saturday 5pm)
Tonga v Samoa - Allianz (double header) (Saturday 7:30pm)
*Hoping to draw a large Polynesian and Melanesian crowd)

France v Cook Islands -Port Moresby (Double header) (Sunday 2pm/5am France)
PNG v England - Port Moresby (Double header) (Sunday 4pm/6am UK)

Round 3
Australia v Fiji - Townsville - (Friday 7:30pm)

France v Samoa - Suncorp (Double header) (Saturday 5pm/8am France)
Tonga v England - Suncorp (Double header) (Saturday 7:30pm/9:30am UK)
*Likewise, hoping to draw a large Tongan and Samoan crowd along with the touring English. I imagine Caxton Street will go off.

NZ v Lebanon - Commbank (Sunday 4pm)
PNG v Cook Island - Port Moresby (Sunday 2pm)

Semi Finals -
1st Pool A v 2nd Pool B/C - Suncorp (Saturday 7:30pm/ 9:30am UK)
2nd Pool A v 1st Pool B/C - Suncorp (Sunday 4pm/ 6am UK)
*Again, this will likely consist of Australia, NZ, England, Tonga or a Samoan crowd. Again, Caxton could go off.

FInal - Allianz (Saturday 7:30pm/ 9:30am UK)
 
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undertaker

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Pool B England Samoa Fiji
Pool C Tonga PNG Lebanon

It is not beyond the realms of possibility for England Samoa & Fiji to all win all 3 games which would lead to the farcical situation of a team winning all 3 matches but not making the semifinals.

Yeah, very stupid that the World Cup organisers didn't think about this potential scenario before confirming that all Pool B/C matches would be inter-group. All teams in Pool B could end up having a 3-0 record, yet one of the three Pool B teams with a 100% win-loss ratio miss out. I'd laugh so hard if this scenario eventuated!

That reminds me of the 1997 World Club Championship. Games in the group stage were an Australian vs European team. The quarter-finals consisted of 4 Australian Super League teams vs 4 European Super League teams. The Australian teams were so far ahead of their Northern Hemisphere counterparts, to the point where Penrith missed out on making the quarter-finals despite winning all 6 games during the group stage, whereas Bradford made the quarter-finals with a 0-6 record! (St Helens, also with a 0-6 record, made the quarter-finals via winning a qualifier vs Paris St-Germain)

 
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titoelcolombiano

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Not just because it's a shorter tournament - only 18 matches to play with, of which 3 of them will be in PNG - but because of the huge backlash that happened in the aftermath of the 2017 RLWC, with only 2 of the 28 matches held in NSW (both at Allianz Stadium). That's the equivalent of neglecting the north of England for a RLWC held in the UK. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! The whole bidding process horribly backfired. Tournament organisers will be a lot more conservative this time around regarding where matches are held.

So, there will be no "lets play at as many venues around Australia as possible", especially if there's going to be double-headers with the mens' and women's RLWC matches. This means that Darwin and Cairns must miss out (venues are too small).

The way I see it for the men's tournament:

- Suncorp Stadium to host the final (like they did in 2008 and 2017. Safe option).
- Allianz Stadium to host one of the semis (much better stadium and better public transportation links to the venue compared to when they last hosted a semi in 2008)
- Possibility of Tonga vs Samoa being played at Accor Stadium to maximise crowd attendance. Otherwise, hosting at Suncorp will also get another bumper crowd similar to last Sunday. Either way, this match might be the highest-drawing crowd of the tournament.
- Perth will definitely get a match, due to the Bears entering the NRL in 2027.

2017s stadium choices might be the worst ever seen in an international sports tournament but it still somehow had its defenders blaming the NSW government
Who would you like to blame when the NSW Govt didn't bid for more games? Just ignore the money from cities/states that did bid?
 

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Yeah, very stupid that the World Cup organisers didn't think about this potential scenario before confirming that all Pool B/C matches would be inter-group. All teams in Pool B could end up having a 3-0 record, all teams in Pool C have a 0-3 record, yet two of the three Pool B teams with a 100% win-loss ratio miss out, but a winless team from Pool C advances through to the semi-finals. I'd laugh so hard if this scenario eventuated!

That reminds me of the 1997 World Club Championship. Games in the group stage were an Australian vs European team. The quarter-finals consisted of 4 Australian Super League teams vs 4 European Super League teams. The Australian teams were so far ahead of their Northern Hemisphere counterparts, to the point where Penrith missed out on making the quarter-finals despite winning all 6 games during the group stage, whereas Bradford made the quarter-finals with a 0-6 record! (St Helens, also with a 0-6 record, make the quarter-finals via winning a qualifier vs Paris St-Germain)


In the article;

The two top sides from the six in Groups B and Group C combined will then reach the semi-finals.

So although there are 'two groups', it's probably just best to consider it as a ladder which features all 6 teams with the top two qualifying for the finals.

It's more like a 6 team round robin but only playing 3 out of a potential 5 opponents.
 
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yakstorm

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Cook Islands by 90
It will be close to that. Cook Islands has been given every possible advantage, a full squad of NRL players who have been given 4-5 weeks to train together, plus have had two hit outs against World Cup qualified teams in Fiji & PNG as warm ups.

They're also fully funded by the NRL, are playing in at worse, a neutral venue, although it's a lot more of a home ground for them than South Africa.

Compare this to the Rhinos who have zero pro players, have had to self-fund their team, will play Niue as their only warm up game on November 4.
 

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If Tonga and Samoa are in seperate pools, and England is in one of those pools, it's certainly going to ensure some important/close matches are played for which ever pool has to play England.

I really hope that by next year, given Toulouse in Super League again, that France can field a side that is fully professional and can pull off victories against the likes of Fiji, Lebanon, PNG, Cook Islands and hopefully challenge Tonga/Samoa.

It does feel like it's being set up for a Australia v Tonga and NZ v Samoa/England semi final match up.

I really hope the final is at Allianz.

Australia has only played 2 games in Sydney since 2014, and those were matches against Tonga at Commbank last year, and against Lebanon at the SFS in the 2017 WC.
 

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Cairns and Darwin were embarrassing last time.
In fairness to Darwin, they only held one match and it was a sellout. It was just silly that the hosts decided to send one of the Kangaroos games there, rather than any other team.

I do worry there is too much reliance on the Pacifica fan base to turn out. Like, they will no doubt. But how many times can you draw from that well over the Pool games?
The one plus is there is more than pacifica community in Australia. Sydney, Brisbane & Melbourne have quite sizeable Samoan, Tongan and Kiwi communities, whilst Gold Coast also has a strong Kiwi contingent. If the organisers are smart, they'll spread the games around these areas and keep the teams in those areas (rather than sending Samoa & Tonga to Cairns or Townsville)
 

titoelcolombiano

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In fairness to Darwin, they only held one match and it was a sellout. It was just silly that the hosts decided to send one of the Kangaroos games there, rather than any other team.


The one plus is there is more than pacifica community in Australia. Sydney, Brisbane & Melbourne have quite sizeable Samoan, Tongan and Kiwi communities, whilst Gold Coast also has a strong Kiwi contingent. If the organisers are smart, they'll spread the games around these areas and keep the teams in those areas (rather than sending Samoa & Tonga to Cairns or Townsville)
From memory NT paid to buy a Kangaroos game specifically
 

Hellwege

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all the fear that one of the 3 wins 0 losses teams does not qualifiy, are unfounded

if you read the articleyou will notice that two from Pool B or C van advance
 

Hellwege

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seems very novel and is it in presentation
by facts it is a typical college football method in the US
but there they present the truth...
which is a 6 team group with (only) three gamrs instead of five anf the top two advance
 

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all the fear that one of the 3 wins 0 losses teams does not qualifiy, are unfounded

if you read the articleyou will notice that two from Pool B or C van advance

You could still get the scenario where the top 3 teams across Pools B/C were from either Pool B or Pool C, with all the teams in that specific pool having a 3-0 record, but the undefeated team with the lowest for-and-against misses out on finals qualification, reminiscent of what happened to Penrith in the 1997 World Club Championship.

The World Cup organisers didn't think this through when they decided all matches in Pools B/C would be inter-pool. The above scenario would be impossible if 2 of the 3 matches for each team in Pools B/C were those against the other teams in their own respective pool, with the other match being inter-pool
 

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You could still get the scenario where the top 3 teams across Pools B/C were from either Pool B or Pool C, with all the teams in that specific pool having a 3-0 record, but the undefeated team with the lowest for-and-against misses out on finals qualification, reminiscent of what happened to Penrith in the 1997 World Club Championship.

The World Cup organisers didn't think this through when they decided all matches in Pools B/C would be inter-pool. The above scenario would be impossible if 2 of the 3 matches for each team in Pools B/C were those against the other teams in their own respective pool, with the other match being inter-pool

Yes you could, but that's irrelevant as no team with a losing record will be able to qualify.

The only thing here that's arguably poor is the organizers not making it clear enough that the pools are only for the purposes of the draw.
 

Hellwege

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Yes you could, but that's irrelevant as no team with a losing record will be able to qualify.

The only thing here that's arguably poor is the organizers not making it clear enough that the pools are only for the purposes of the draw.
exactly
 

Hellwege

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You could still get the scenario where the top 3 teams across Pools B/C were from either Pool B or Pool C, with all the teams in that specific pool having a 3-0 record, but the undefeated team with the lowest for-and-against misses out on finals qualification, reminiscent of what happened to Penrith in the 1997 World Club Championship.

The World Cup organisers didn't think this through when they decided all matches in Pools B/C would be inter-pool. The above scenario would be impossible if 2 of the 3 matches for each team in Pools B/C were those against the other teams in their own respective pool, with the other match being inter-pool
theoretically, but as they do not plan to put England, Samoa and Tonga in one group the chances of this happening are as close to zero as humanly possibly

They found the perfect way to structure ten teams
If they were to go to 12 teams in 2034 they could use this pseudo-pool system twice and would be doing fine
 

titoelcolombiano

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I would blame the failed bid team for not being compelling enough for the sports biggest heartland to bid.
That's a stretch a yoga master would be proud of.

The world cup was compelling enough for QLD, VIC, WA, NT and NZ to bid on but not NSW
 
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