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RLWC2017 Crowd Watch

hutch

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The nrl should have also told all the qrl and nswrl to not hold press releases and media days to release their new Jersey’s in WORLD CUP FINAL WEEK! Are we kidding? There has been more press in the last 2 days about the chevrons on the nsw jersey than the World Cup. All nrl clubs, origin teams etc should be in the background for a few weeks. Why can’t our sport work together.
 

Jim from Oz

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Personally, I do not blame the ticket prices for the failure of the crowds to turn up. I blame apathy of the RLIF in properly prompting the games and the fact it was not in the interest of Channel 9 to promote during the season. I also believe the ridiculous miss placed hype about SOO kills the international game (and serves channel 9).

I also blame the apathy of the Australian RL fan. But its because its a fore gone conclusion i guess.

I'm going to the final and I'm spending Thousands on flights and accommodation. I'm taking leave from work. A few hundred dollar entry ticket is no big deal on top of that.

The Lions tour recently in NZ, had 25K travelling fans from the UK. They don't care about a few hundred for a finals ticket.

I know RL is working class game, but is it so bad, we can't find 55k of well off fans from the UK and Oz? I'm sure there are heaps able to afford it. A world cup final ticket should be a minimum of $250.

38,0000 sold. Weather is not likely to be kind. 40K max is my predicition

The "fans" are just apathetic.
The weather forecast is for 21-29 degrees and a shower or two, likely in the morning.

So forecast not that bad …
 

Jim from Oz

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The nrl should have also told all the qrl and nswrl to not hold press releases and media days to release their new Jersey’s in WORLD CUP FINAL WEEK! Are we kidding? There has been more press in the last 2 days about the chevrons on the nsw jersey than the World Cup. All nrl clubs, origin teams etc should be in the background for a few weeks. Why can’t our sport work together.
Precisely!

The NSWRL also chose last Friday (same day as the Brisbane semi-final) to announce Brad Fittler as NSW coach … took ALL the media attention away from the RLWC !

To make matters worse, the NSWRL chairman at the Fittler press announcement made a big speech. And who was he? George Peponis … who is also a top official of the 2017 RLWC !!!

FFS !!!
 

DC80

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Personally, I do not blame the ticket prices for the failure of the crowds to turn up. I blame apathy of the RLIF in properly prompting the games and the fact it was not in the interest of Channel 9 to promote during the season. I also believe the ridiculous miss placed hype about SOO kills the international game (and serves channel 9).

I also blame the apathy of the Australian RL fan. But its because its a fore gone conclusion i guess.

I'm going to the final and I'm spending Thousands on flights and accommodation. I'm taking leave from work. A few hundred dollar entry ticket is no big deal on top of that.

The Lions tour recently in NZ, had 25K travelling fans from the UK. They don't care about a few hundred for a finals ticket.

I know RL is working class game, but is it so bad, we can't find 55k of well off fans from the UK and Oz? I'm sure there are heaps able to afford it. A world cup final ticket should be a minimum of $250.

38,0000 sold. Weather is not likely to be kind. 40K max is my predicition

The "fans" are just apathetic.
You will have a better idea than me about the reasons for the lack of Aussies attending games, speaking from a UK perspective I think It's unfair to compare the numbers of RL fans who travel from England with RU followers of the Lions. The working class game point and affordability is not the main issue, it's the lack of numbers that follow RL in general. Football in the UK is predominantly working class, people with similar economic means as RL followers, but you will see tens of thousands of England fans making the trips to major tournaments all over the world, likewise Ireland, Scotland etc. Had the latter two qualified for Russia there would have been 20k from both, easy. RU being a private school game will have wealthier fans yes (generally speaking), but they also have a much bigger fan base to call upon. The Lions have hoards of English, Irish, Scots and Welsh fans who travel, whereas England RL is predominantly fans from Yorkshire and Lancashire. On the BBC radio podcast this week Dave Woods was interviewing groups of English fans in Australia and there was a Yorkshire vs Lancashire banter among them. The major cities in these two counties are not RL areas either, bar Leeds and Hull. Most of the Super League clubs are based in towns.

RL is having to work with a much smaller fan base. Each Super League game averages 8.5k, and there are 6 SL games per week, that's 51k total attendance for the league. Add this to the three lower divisions and it doesn't pass 75k total. The average attendance for a Manchester United home game matches the total weekly number of RL match going fans in England. The percentage of RL fans that attend/travel to games is probably similar to the percentage of football fans that do similar, it's just there are a lot more football fans so the numbers are vastly different. The disparity is even greater when you consider the prices; I pay £25 to go to a St Helens game, I'm paying almost three times that for a Liverpool game at Anfield.

So numbers is a huge factor when it comes to England RL fans, there just isn't enough of us. With the sport not established in Ireland, Scotland or Wales the travelling numbers from those countries will be very small, and those that are at games supporting them are largely expat communities in Australia. Similar with Lebanon, Tonga albeit those were on a much bigger scale.

If RU had the same number of travellers for the 2003 RUWC in Australia as RL has had for this that 2003 tournament would have had plenty of half empty stadiums. England vs Wales quarterfinal in Brisbane had 45k, what would that have got in this tournament? 12 to 15k?

The host nation of a RLWC is handicapped by the lack of fans attending from overseas. I can't think of another major event that has this issue. An Olympics, a FIFA World Cup, those two obviously stand out for the vast influx of people attending from all over the world. The RUWC has a decent number attending from overseas too. RL is probably asking too much of its hosts to buy up all the tickets, especially in the case of Australia where the event has lacked competitiveness for such a long time.
 
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Stallion

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You will have a better idea than me about the reasons for the lack of Aussies attending games, speaking from a UK perspective I think It's unfair to compare the numbers of RL fans who travel from England with RU followers of the Lions. The working class game point and affordability is not the main issue, it's the lack of numbers that follow RL in general. Football in the UK is predominantly working class, people with similar economic means as RL followers, but you will see tens of thousands of England fans making the trips to major tournaments all over the world, likewise Ireland, Scotland etc. Had the latter two qualified for Russia there would have been 20k from both, easy. RU being a private school game will have wealthier fans yes (generally speaking), but they also have a much bigger fan base to call upon. The Lions have hoards of English, Irish, Scots and Welsh fans who travel, whereas England RL is predominantly fans from Yorkshire and Lancashire. On the BBC radio podcast this week Dave Woods was interviewing groups of English fans in Australia and there was a Yorkshire vs Lancashire banter among them. The major cities in these two counties are not RL areas either, bar Leeds and Hull. Most of the Super League clubs are based in towns.

RL is having to work with a much smaller fan base. Each Super League game averages 8.5k, and there are 6 SL games per week, that's 51k total attendance for the league. Add this to the three lower divisions and it doesn't pass 75k total. The average attendance for a Manchester United home game matches the total weekly number of RL match going fans in England. The percentage of RL fans that attend/travel to games is probably similar to the percentage of football fans that do similar, it's just there are a lot more football fans so the numbers are vastly different. The disparity is even greater when you consider the prices; I pay £25 to go to a St Helens game, I'm paying almost three times that for a Liverpool game at Anfield.

So numbers is a huge factor when it comes to England RL fans, there just isn't enough of us. With the sport not established in Ireland, Scotland or Wales the travelling numbers from those countries will be very small, and those that are at games supporting them are largely expat communities in Australia. Similar with Lebanon, Tonga albeit those were on a much bigger scale.

If RU had the same number of travellers for the 2003 RUWC in Australia as RL has had for this that 2003 tournament would have had plenty of half empty stadiums. England vs Wales quarterfinal in Brisbane had 45k, what would that have got in this tournament? 12 to 15k?

The host nation of a RLWC is handicapped by the lack of fans attending from overseas. I can't think of another major event that has this issue. An Olympics, a FIFA World Cup, those two obviously stand out for the vast influx of people attending from all over the world. The RUWC has a decent number attending from overseas too. RL is probably asking too much of its hosts to buy up all the tickets, especially in the case of Australia where the event has lacked competitiveness for such a long time.

Therefore cheaper pricing is appropriate.
 

Perth Red

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knowing they're apathetic probably suggests tickets should be as affordable as possible. No one apathetic about an event is going to pay hundreds to see it.

You can’t solve apathy by cheap tickets! People believing that this is an important sports event that they must attend is what is needed. Not cheapening the event by giving away tickets. Most major sporting events range in the $150-350. Most run of the mill sporting events are around $30-70. This is pitched in the middle at $70-170 which seems about right.
 

insert.pause

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You can’t solve apathy by cheap tickets! People believing that this is an important sports event that they must attend is what is needed. Not cheapening the event by giving away tickets. Most major sporting events range in the $150-350. Most run of the mill sporting events are around $30-70. This is pitched in the middle at $70-170 which seems about right.
can't solve it with empty seats either, what do you reckon people at the ground and watching on tv think of a "major sporting event" with thousands of empty seats? They think it's not a major sporting event! The market dictates the value of something, calling it a major sporting event doesn't mean anything if people don't care enough to pay what you're asking. The pricing model is absolutely wrong if there are still thousands of tickets unsold come Saturday night, major sporting event or not.
 

morningstar

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Cat B tickets for the final were $80 in 2008 and were $120 when they originally went on sale for 2017.

Given 9 years of inflation and the relative status of the tournament in 2008 and now, I think you are drawing a long bow to say a $40 increase is out pricing the market.
 

Billythekid

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I'm not sure where the negativity is coming from. We'll likely see around 40K which whilst not mind blowing is a good crowd and will make the tournament a lot of money at those prices. Prices have been a serious issue this tournament but not so much for the final. I think other issues have led to it not being a sellout.

I'm more hoping that the ashes don't kill the ratings too much. It'll still be one of the highest rating sporting events of the year but no way will it touch the 08 GF competing with the ashes.
 

Billythekid

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Cat B tickets for the final were $80 in 2008 and were $120 when they originally went on sale for 2017.

Given 9 years of inflation and the relative status of the tournament in 2008 and now, I think you are drawing a long bow to say a $40 increase is out pricing the market.

Considering how much wages have stagnated I'm not sure inflation is an argument that will go over very well with fans. I agree though that those prices aren't THAT crazy compared to what we've seen in other matches.
 

Stallion

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I'm not sure where the negativity is coming from. We'll likely see around 40K which whilst not mind blowing is a good crowd and will make the tournament a lot of money at those prices. Prices have been a serious issue this tournament but not so much for the final. I think other issues have led to it not being a sellout.

I'm more hoping that the ashes don't kill the ratings too much. It'll still be one of the highest rating sporting events of the year but no way will it touch the 08 GF competing with the ashes.

A recent union test at the same ground got more than 40000 a few months ago!? Please dont console for what may be a dissapointing crowd figure for a world cup final. As someone mentioned every single seat should be sold and if not they have failed marketing wise. The football has been magnificent!
 

Billythekid

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A recent union test at the same ground got more than 40000 a few months ago!? Please dont console for what is a dissapointing crowd figure for a world cup final. As someone mentioned every singke seat should be sold and if not they have failed marketing wise. The football has been magnificent!

This World Cup has failed on many levels and I agree the final should be a sellout. I just don't think it's because of ticket prices. The marketing and promotion of the tournament has been a mug bigger issue.
 

Stallion

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You can’t solve apathy by cheap tickets! People believing that this is an important sports event that they must attend is what is needed. Not cheapening the event by giving away tickets. Most major sporting events range in the $150-350. Most run of the mill sporting events are around $30-70. This is pitched in the middle at $70-170 which seems about right.
The market will tell you if its right. Id suggest that if it was emphatically this final would have been sold out on Monday! But its not! So will international embarassment on the game's biggest stage suffice instead? Great outcome for a sport not even recognised as a sport by international sporting bodies!? Just dig the hole deeper fellas. It's not hurting you but its hurting rugby league.
 
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hutch

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If the game only gets 40-42k and let’s say it’s $100 a ticket on average, those 10k empty seats equates to $1 million out of the international games coffers. Massive failure by the organisers.
 

insert.pause

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Cat B tickets for the final were $80 in 2008 and were $120 when they originally went on sale for 2017.

Given 9 years of inflation and the relative status of the tournament in 2008 and now, I think you are drawing a long bow to say a $40 increase is out pricing the market.
2008 sold out, 2017 likely wont, therefore pricing is wrong. Even if you accept the game doesn't hold the same interest as it did in 2008, the pricing should reflect that. Either it's too expensive for what people expect to pay and tickets should therefore be cheaper, or people don't really care about the game and tickets should therefore be cheaper.
 

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