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Rookie QB Performance

Raider_69

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Bradford and McCoy are the real deal.... Bradford more so, he's a future star... McCoy maybe not a superstar but he'll have a long and pretty successful NFL career

the rest are f**king garbage (tebow excluded, he's good, just needs more time and coaching to get his mechanics right... tbh he should probably try and get himself traded to Philli, AR could do wonders with him)
 
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I still think Clausen could have success. If the Panthers opt other than Luck in the draft and a new regime comes in and clear things up, he could get back on track to the QB he should be.

Bradford stands out head and shoulders above the rest at this stage. He's got the whole package. McCoy's problem is his limited upside and lack of arm strength, he'll be a good QB but never an elite one imo. He's got great mobility and able to make plays on the move, but will he be able to lead 4th quarter comebacks?

It appears as though McCoy, Tebow and Bradford are the top 3. All with amazing intagibles and leadership skills.

Skelton could also be good though, he's got it all physically and if he picks up his work ethic and refines it... you never know.

Obviously the biggest wildcard is Tebow, I truly believe if the Broncos had kept McDaniels like they should've, he'd become an awesome QB in much quicker time. There's no doubt for mine that he'll succeed, it's just whether he goes on to become elite (looking at Steve Young type) or just an average starting QB. Based on his first start, his career is looking promising.
 

The 18th Man

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The next five seasons will be interesting when comparing the respective careers of this class. It's a lottery. Bradford IMO is the most likely to have the better career of this class. With that said, he could go all Rick Mirer on us and fall off the planet :lol: Hell, is there a later rounder sitting on the bench somewhere ready to become a Hall Of Famer?
 

Tom155

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I still think Clausen could have success. If the Panthers opt other than Luck in the draft and a new regime comes in and clear things up, he could get back on track to the QB he should be.

Bradford stands out head and shoulders above the rest at this stage. He's got the whole package. McCoy's problem is his limited upside and lack of arm strength, he'll be a good QB but never an elite one imo. He's got great mobility and able to make plays on the move, but will he be able to lead 4th quarter comebacks?

It appears as though McCoy, Tebow and Bradford are the top 3. All with amazing intagibles and leadership skills.

Skelton could also be good though, he's got it all physically and if he picks up his work ethic and refines it... you never know.

Obviously the biggest wildcard is Tebow, I truly believe if the Broncos had kept McDaniels like they should've, he'd become an awesome QB in much quicker time. There's no doubt for mine that he'll succeed, it's just whether he goes on to become elite (looking at Steve Young type) or just an average starting QB. Based on his first start, his career is looking promising.
cmon you wouldve kept mcdaniels? wow some people are stubborn they would rather see the team continue to lose, be run into the groumd then admit they were wrong about mcdaniels, it's absolutely unbelievable, sadly your not alone there's still a few left
 

Monk

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Obviously the biggest wildcard is Tebow, I truly believe if the Broncos had kept McDaniels like they should've, he'd become an awesome QB in much quicker time. There's no doubt for mine that he'll succeed, it's just whether he goes on to become elite (looking at Steve Young type) or just an average starting QB. Based on his first start, his career is looking promising.

The broncos kept McDaniels, he just isnt the HC. hes still the QB coach isnt he?
 
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cmon you wouldve kept mcdaniels? wow some people are stubborn they would rather see the team continue to lose, be run into the groumd then admit they were wrong about mcdaniels, it's absolutely unbelievable, sadly your not alone there's still a few left

Rome wasn't built in a day. McDaniels inherited a terrible side. A pathetic defence, a highly inconsistent offense filled with douche bags and busts all over the shop. He effectively had to blow up the roster and completely change things over. Unlike teams like KC/Tampa who had been rubbish for a while and continued to pile up good draft picks letting them prosper as soon as a new regime came in, the Broncos had been mediocre for a few years and left with terrible draft choices year after year. McDaniels brought in the Patriot system - high character and things done his way. He drafted decent players, not as bad as many people state. Moreno is a great back when healthy, Ayers was just about to take the next step as a pass rusher before breaking his foot and Thomas and Tebow have amazing potential, already showing glimpses of what they could be in years. Picks like Quinn will always be critisised by douches who only look at production, but he's been key in blocking for us - especially in goal line sets. Was he worth a 2nd on how he was used? Probably not, but he's a good pick nonetheless. He made guys like Orton productive in a system which most QBs could thrive - his game planning and playbooks were excellent, his playcalling however did leave to be desired - I'll admit.

He was a football genius. He knew you couldn't create a championship team in 1 year and knew it would take years to do so. Everything that could go wrong pretty much did, the collapse last year after a fallout with Nolan and a few tight, unfortunate losses. The swarm of injuries this year effectively ruining the season and the whole spygate fiasco. Ultimately, his detractors, the majority people who wanted success then and there with a rubbish team, got what they wanted and unless the perfect new regime comes in, this team won't be competitive for another 2-3 years. If McDaniels had 1 more chance to address the team in this upcoming draft and finally got a shot at an elite player like the team should've had in years gone by, he would've completed the transformation. No doubts if we don't get decimated by injuries, we have a winning record 2011 with McDaniels.
 
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cmon you wouldve kept mcdaniels? wow some people are stubborn they would rather see the team continue to lose, be run into the groumd then admit they were wrong about mcdaniels, it's absolutely unbelievable, sadly your not alone there's still a few left

Rome wasn't built in a day. McDaniels inherited a terrible side. A pathetic defence, a highly inconsistent offense filled with douche bags and busts all over the shop. He effectively had to blow up the roster and completely change things over. Unlike teams like KC/Tampa who had been rubbish for a while and continued to pile up good draft picks letting them prosper as soon as a new regime came in, the Broncos had been mediocre for a few years and left with terrible draft choices year after year. McDaniels brought in the Patriot system - high character and things done his way. He drafted decent players, not as bad as many people state. Moreno is a great back when healthy, Ayers was just about to take the next step as a pass rusher before breaking his foot and Thomas and Tebow have amazing potential, already showing glimpses of what they could be in years. Picks like Quinn will always be critisised by douches who only look at production, but he's been key in blocking for us - especially in goal line sets. Was he worth a 2nd on how he was used? Probably not, but he's a good pick nonetheless. He made guys like Orton productive in a system which most QBs could thrive - his game planning and playbooks were excellent, his playcalling however did leave to be desired - I'll admit.

He was a football genius. He knew you couldn't create a championship team in 1 year and knew it would take years to do so. Everything that could go wrong pretty much did, the collapse last year after a fallout with Nolan and a few tight, unfortunate losses. The swarm of injuries this year effectively ruining the season and the whole spygate fiasco. Ultimately, his detractors, the majority people who wanted success then and there with a rubbish team, got what they wanted and unless the perfect new regime comes in, this team won't be competitive for another 2-3 years. If McDaniels had 1 more chance to address the team in this upcoming draft and finally got a shot at an elite player like the team should've had in years gone by, he would've completed the transformation. No doubts if we don't get decimated by injuries, we have a winning record 2011 with McDaniels.
 

Tom155

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First of all JM inherited a good team with a terrible defense, you said he effectively had to blow up the roster and completely change things over, thats total bs and you know it, if he fixes the defense we are a playoff contender but no hes goes and demolishs the strongest part of the team.

He drafted decent players - again total bs drafted guys like quinn who didnt deserve to be drafted anywhere near round 2 and has done SFA catching his 1st pass this past weekend 2 years into his career

JM traded a mid 1st rd pick for a 2nd rd pick which he then used to select
5ft 8 CB alphonso smith who did SFA again until he was traded less than a year later

DT is massively overated and injury prone selected over dez bryant & others adding to this JM had him a inury prone 1st RD WR taking a beating returning kicks

Robert ayers also overated solid against the run thats about it not worth anywhere near a 1st rd pick

Darcel Mcbath & David Bruton have also done SFA for a 2nd and 4th rd picks

Drafted brandstater then traded for brady quinn releasing TB another wasted pick

Traded peyton hillis and a draft pick for B Quinn who has barely seen the field if at all because he drafted TT in the 1st rd to compete with orton and hillis is one of the leading rushers in the nfl carrying the browns in most games.

Some of his mid rd draft picks couldnt even make the team

Every team has to deal with injuries some team have a lot moreinjuries to key players and are still in contention for the playoffs not sitting near the bottom of the nfl at 3-11, MS also got us to 8-8 with a lot more injuries then josh ever faced

Nobody expect a championship team straight away but they expect their not to be the joke of the league

JC BM TS PH etc the common problem was mcdaniels & his ego not them being douche bags and busts as you called them they never had/caused any problems before mcdaniels came or after they have left JM's team

JM is not an offensive genius as you say we showed absolutely no imagiination in playcall or an ability to adapt when something wasnt working

This team won't be competitive for another 2-3 years probably longer because of JM destroying the team

JM brought in all these dud coaches and players again it's all on him

If McDaniels had 1 more chance to address the team in this upcoming draft and finally got a shot at an elite player like the team should've had in years gone by, he would've completed the transformation

scary to think about what mcdaniels would have done with a top 5 pick, would probably set us back another few years

We have a winning record 2011 with McDaniels

are you high?



Really need i go on
 

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