Roosters to Sack Stuart ???

[Bay56]

lotm you forgot to address one point that I made ... feel free mate ...

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So it's just about having a good roster huh, and it will then just fall in your lap ... so when was the last time Wayne Bennet won anything, Steve Folkes won a GF in 2004 but nothing much more, and Nathan Brown .. huh how many GF's should he have won by now.
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[lotm]

:lol:

err ... i addressed it by saying that you said exactly the same thing - i even quoted it for you!! howsabout you address that one, buddy.

but for the record, i don't rate brown as a coach and bennett is stuck in the past.

 

[Bay56]

:lol:

err ... i addressed it by saying that you said exactly the same thing - i even quoted it for you!! howsabout you address that one, buddy.

but for the record, i don't rate brown as a coach and bennett is stuck in the past.

but mate they've got the talent .. heaps of it mate ... you know the Gasniers, Coopers, Johnsy ...

mate it should just fall into your lap from that point huh ... you know Fitler did it all ... Stuart's coaching was just crap

 

[lotm]

the roosters were more talented than any of them.

mate it should just fall into your lap from that point huh ... you know Fitler did it all

well, him and gus.

definitely not stuart. he's crap.

look at the scoreboard, mate.

now i addressed your query, address mine.

 

[Bay56]

Ohh right ... Fitler and Gus get all the credit and Stuart, well he just made up the numbers.

Yea nice theory lotm ... apologies if it is not one I subscribe to mate ..

they should just have paid a monkey to coach the team and it would have all happened .. in fact you mate, you could have done it for them :lol:

 

[lotm]

now i addressed your query, address mine.

you've been shown up, mate. just admit it. you're a hypocrite.

unless you're not man enough to admit it (*cowers from tomato-throwing feminists*).

 

[Bay56]

you've been shown up, mate. just admit it. you're a hypocrite.

unless you're not man enough to admit it (*cowers from tomato-throwing feminists*).

shown me up my f**king arse

I would like to know how, with a roster that St.G/Ill have, they have not automatically won a premiership ... I mean you dont need a good coach to coach a great roster ... a monkey will do ...

and your argument is that Gould was the reason ... yet you admit that Gould has had nothing to do with the club in the past couple of seasons ...

hello have I missed something other than the fact that you may have missed your last medication

 

[Mal Meninga]

Looking at Matt Elliots track record it's fair to say i'd have him over Ricky Stuart any day of the week!!!!




Ugh, no.

 

[lotm]

shown me up my f**king arse

:lol:

then why do you keep sidestepping the issues? out of answers?

yet you admit that Gould has had nothing to do with the club in the past couple of seasons ...

hello have I missed something other than the fact that you may have missed your last medication

:lol:

you certainly have missed something ... the fact that your point helps my argument.

the roosters have missed the finals in the past two years. coincidentally when gus and freddy left the joint.

 

[lotm]

Looking at Matt Elliots track record it's fair to say i'd have him over Ricky Stuart any day of the week!!

there's nothing like over-trivialising a situation to make you look like a goose.

 

[Bay56]

:lol:

then why do you keep sidestepping the issues? out of answers?


:lol:

you certainly have missed something ... the fact that your point helps my argument.

the roosters have missed the finals in the past two years. coincidentally when gus and freddy left the joint.

Consider that you may have missed the point ...

StG/Ill completely missed the finals in 2003 with a roster that included the likes of Bailey, Barrett, Blacklock, Cooper, Gasnier, Riddell, Roberts, Thompson, Timmins, Ryles, Kite, Firman (at his best) and others.

With that roster and better they havent cracked a GF since 1999 when they lost to Melbourne.

Please explain how, with a roster like that, you couldnt just pull someone off the street (like yourself who knows sweat FA about league) and say "here you go mate, give us a premiership".

Get real lotm .. I suggest you double or halve your next medication mate :lol:

 

[lotm]

like yourself who knows sweat FA about league

:lol:

desperate much?

if you're going to keep avoiding answering my challenges to your deification of stuart, you're not worth answering.

for the first time in all our confrontations (which i think you're starting to take too seriously), you're being piss weak, mate.

 

[Bay56]

:lol:

desperate much?

if you're going to keep avoiding answering my challenges to your deification of stuart, you're not worth answering.

for the first time in all our confrontations (which i think you're starting to take too seriously), you're being piss weak, mate.

I'm, taking it too seriously ??

You refer to me as a hypocrite, a fool and an idiot and I'm taking it too seriously :lol: :lol:

I have not avoided any of your questions lotm ... the fact is I still wont to know ...

.. how a team with a roster such as St.G/Ill can miss out on the finals and/or not get themselves to a GF for so many years.

.. I want to know how a team with arguably the best footballer in the world cant just write their name on the trophy before a ball is kicked.

.. Why cant Wayne Bennett fill the trophy cabinet

.. and why cant Steve Folkes, even after rorting the salary cap to the tune of about 1M not win the premiership ...

mate it's a f**king certainty when you've got Fitler in your side .. mind you dont tell Gould or Murray that will ya.

 

[Mal Meninga]

there's nothing like over-trivialising a situation to make you look like a goose.

Fresh air is good for you.

 

[lotm]

You refer to me as a hypocrite, a fool and an idiot and I'm taking it too seriously

err ... you being a hypocrite is the basis for the argument, so that's not an issue. i called you an idiot in another thread, and that was obviously in jest. it's not my problem if you misinterpret it.

i never called you a fool, but i can now accurately call you a liar.

:lol:

I have not avoided any of your questions lotm ...

maybe you're not taking this too seriously, because (in the immortal words of john macenroe) ... YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!

i'll limit my previously posed questions to the two most important:
- how is it that when stuart continually selects underperforming hacks in his side it's an excuse for his failure, but when elliott does it, it's a reason he's crap?
- how is it that you don't know what role stuart has in signing crap players, but when it comes to elliott, 'the buck stops with the coach'?

i'm not afraid to answer your questions, so here goes:

how a team with a roster such as St.G/Ill can miss out on the finals and/or not get themselves to a GF for so many years

they have a crap coach. plus they have detrimental psychological or environmental factors. at least one of those factors rings true for the roosters, too.

I want to know how a team with arguably the best footballer in the world cant just write their name on the trophy before a ball is kicked

depth? consistency? injury? suspension? the quality of the rest of the freakin' team, perhaps?

obviously, the point you're labouring is that you don't need to have the best players to win the competition - you need additional factors. and i never refuted it - you assumed i did. in some cases, it's a brilliant coach. in the roosters' case, it was a brilliant coaching consultant.

Why cant Wayne Bennett fill the trophy cabinet

because he's stuck in the past. haven't i already answered this?

and why cant Steve Folkes, even after rorting the salary cap to the tune of about 1M not win the premiership

well, the dogs were docked 37 points in that season, their stockpile of talent was subsequently reduced and ... ultimately ... they did win the premiership.

 

[lotm]

Fresh air is good for you

:?

 

[Tokyo_Raider]

I think Stuart potentially has the goods as coach, but any discussion on it is invalidated by Bay being about the most black and white human being I have ever come across.

Lotm's arguments are reasonable, but batting your head against the brick wall of Bay's pigheadedness is a thankless and unproductive task.

I also seriously doubt that Stuart will come back to Canberra, anyway. He was not a happy lad when he left.

 

[Bay56]

wrong lotm ... the bulldogs were docked points in season 2002 for bascially the same roster as 2001 ... they did not win the comp in 2001

Wayne Bennett stuck in the past ... here is a coach with a talent base to choose from that we'd all like to have and the excuse is "he's stuck in the past" .. thanks supercoach lotm for that assessment of the most successful winning coach in recent history ... 2000 (finished 1st), 2001 (5th), 2002 (3rd), 2003 (8th), 2004 (3rd), 2005 (3rd) ... stuck in the past hey :lol:

Newcastle .. depth? consistency? injury? suspension? the quality of the rest of the freakin' team, perhaps? ... yea you just cant rely on the likes of Gidleys, Hughes, Kennedys, Buderas, O'Davis, Simpsons, Parsons and others .. f**king usesless gits :lol:

St/Ill .. they have a crap coach. plus they have detrimental psychological or environmental factors. at least one of those factors rings true for the roosters, too ... here is lotm in his role as a clinical psychologist and envornmental expert ... tell us more of your wisdom buddy :lol:

In the rosters case it was a brilliant consultant .. yea, hand it all to Gould, who while he coached the Roosters just couldnt quite jag one for the club ... the coach, tactics, brilliant defence that took defences to another level, had absolutely nothing to do with the success of the team ...it was all Gus's work :lol:

 

[Bay56]

I think Stuart potentially has the goods as coach, but any discussion on it is invalidated by Bay being about the most black and white human being I have ever come across.

Lotm's arguments are reasonable, but batting your head against the brick wall of Bay's pigheadedness is a thankless and unproductive task.

I also seriously doubt that Stuart will come back to Canberra, anyway. He was not a happy lad when he left.

coming from you T_R that is hlllllllarrrrious .. here is the guy who hasnt ever whispered a bad word about Elliott (even after we get walloped by 100 points) and he refers to me as being black and white :lol:

surprise surprise T_R ... lotm needs all the support he can get mate :lol:

 

[lotm]

I have not avoided any of your questions lotm

:lol:

:^o

i'm going to persist until you answer the questions, bay, but i'm going to add another one:
- how is it that when stuart continually selects underperforming hacks in his side it's an excuse for his failure, but when elliott does it, it's a reason he's crap?
- how is it that you don't know what role stuart has in signing crap players, but when it comes to elliott, 'the buck stops with the coach'?
- how is it that you fail to mention stuart stifling the promotion of a promising junior into fg by continually selecting underperforming players, but use it as one of your key criticisms of elliott?