Round 13 Vs The Bulldogs

[franklin2323]

Theres only one rookie in our spine. Hardly a rookie spine as you say.

Cleary hasn't had a full season of FG yet.
Moylan hasn't played regular 5/8th since 2012
Edwards 5 games in FG

So tell me where is the old head in that lot?

 

[franklin2323]

Which is why Gus hired him. The strategy is to build a Bronco's like dynasty out of mainly local juniors and to develop them through the club. I think that given the strategy, Griffin makes sense with a proven track record of development. I don't think many would agree that tactics are his strong point. That's why you need more than one coach. If he isn't good at game management get an assistant coach who is.

With Griffin, you get the rough with the smooth and a coach who is in amongst the other average coaches. Coaches of Bellamy's and Bennet's capability are a rare commodity.

Which is why Brandy was doing work with the halves the other week. Gus does our video sessions etc. The Head coach runs the program. It is up to him to hire the right people to get the team where it should be.

Usually when the players or doing recovery. The coaching staff is having a meeting to work out the upcoming training schedule a good coach will know where they need help and go there

 

[mxlegend99]

Cleary hasn't had a full season of FG yet.
Moylan hasn't played regular 5/8th since 2012
Edwards 5 games in FG

So tell me where is the old head in that lot?

Cleary has played 28 nrl games including two finals matches. He also got a taste of rep footy in a City jersey. Not the highest standard rep game. But it's still all valuable experience

Moylan has played at 5/8th for NSW. 2 games for us and while he hasn't had a 6 on his back he has been out 5/8th in sttack for most of his career.

They aren't rookies. Yeah their best footy is ahead of them. But they are hardly a liability or rookies.

Moylan is a safer half then Cartwright or TMM. Moylan is a clutch player who has proven himself in big moments for a few years now.

 

[franklin2323]

Cleary has played 28 nrl games including two finals matches. He also got a taste of rep footy in a City jersey. Not the highest standard rep game. But it's still all valuable experience

Moylan has played at 5/8th for NSW. 2 games for us and while he hasn't had a 6 on his back he has been out 5/8th in sttack for most of his career.

They aren't rookies. Yeah their best footy is ahead of them. But they are hardly a liability or rookies.

Moylan is a safer half then Cartwright or TMM. Moylan is a clutch player who has proven himself in big moments for a few years now.

We will see over the full season. Come round 26 Moylan would of made 200 odd tackles more then usual so might be stuffed to think straight. I hope not but it all part of what goes into being a half these days

 

[OldPanther]

Cleary has played 28 nrl games including two finals matches. He also got a taste of rep footy in a City jersey. Not the highest standard rep game. But it's still all valuable experience

Moylan has played at 5/8th for NSW. 2 games for us and while he hasn't had a 6 on his back he has been out 5/8th in sttack for most of his career.

They aren't rookies. Yeah their best footy is ahead of them. But they are hardly a liability or rookies.

Moylan is a safer half then Cartwright or TMM. Moylan is a clutch player who has proven himself in big moments for a few years now.

Pretty much this. We aren't running out of spine of 10 gamers or anything. Edwards is the only genuine NRL rookie there at this point.

 

[franklin2323]

Pretty much this. We aren't running out of spine of 10 gamers or anything. Edwards is the only genuine NRL rookie there at this point.

Even Wallace has started less then 50 games at hooker. what other team compares to such inexperience

 

[OldPanther]

Even Wallace has started less then 50 games at hooker. what other team compares to such inexperience

I think the experience playing at that level accounts for it. Wallace is a 200 gamer with rep experience and Moylan is a current rep player who is being groomed as the future NSW and possibly Aus 6. Cleary while young and has not many games has been put into CvC and also played finals. Edwards is the odd one out of our spine of players who all have learned to keep their heads in pressure situations.

 

[mxlegend99]

Even Wallace has started less then 50 games at hooker. what other team compares to such inexperience

What you think you need 100+ games before you're good enough to win a grand final?

Someone go strip the Souths 2014 premiership from them. Korisau and Kearny had no experience and obviously that means you can't win big games

Or Manly with Foran and DCE in their first season together. Experience is not as important as talent. Some players have a level in them that can only be seen by throwing them into a new position or putting them in at a high level.

The spine this year is a lot better than the inexperienced one we had last year.

Edwards is a better fullback
Moylan is a better 6
Cleary will have an extra years experience
Rein/Wallace is about the same

 

[franklin2323]

What you think you need 100+ games before you're good enough to win a grand final?

Someone go strip the Souths 2014 premiership from them. Korisau and Kearny had no experience and obviously that means you can't win big games

Or Manly with Foran and DCE in their first season together. Experience is not as important as talent. Some players have a level in them that can only be seen by throwing them into a new position or putting them in at a high level.

The spine this year is a lot better than the inexperienced one we had last year.

Edwards is a better fullback
Moylan is a better 6
Cleary will have an extra years experience
Rein/Wallace is about the same

Ballen and Stewart even Jamie Lyon had plenty of experience. Isaac Luke and GI at Souths. None of those examples have all 4 so raw in the position

 

[mxlegend99]

2014:
Keary had played 22 games including the grand final. The grand final was his 11th game in the halves

Korisau had played 14 games including the grand final.

Adam Reynolds was only in his 3rd season and the grand final was his 79th NRL game.

 

[mxlegend99]

Ballen and Stewart even Jamie Lyon had plenty of experience. Isaac Luke and GI at Souths. None of those examples have all 4 so raw in the position

Isaac Luke didn't play in the grand final. Souths had 1 player that qualifies as an old head under your definitions.

Jamie Lyon is a centre. Include non spine players and Merrin, Tamou, Whare etc. add heaps.

You keep shifting the goalposts.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Not to mention our spine WOULD have more experience if they had been selected there sooner!

 

[OldPanther]

Isaac Luke didn't play in the grand final. Souths had 1 player that qualifies as an old head under your definitions.

Jamie Lyon is a centre. Include non spine players and Merrin, Tamou, Whare etc. add heaps.

You keep shifting the goalposts.

Merrin, Tamou, DWZ, Whare, Mansour, Moylan are all international level players.

I think the experience playing at that level accounts for it. Wallace is a 200 gamer with rep experience and Moylan is a current rep player who is being groomed as the future NSW and possibly Aus 6. Cleary while young and has not many games has been put into CvC and also played finals. Edwards is the odd one out of our spine of players who all have learned to keep their heads in pressure situations.

Plus throw in this.

 

[mxlegend99]

Not to mention our spine WOULD have more experience if they had been selected there sooner!

Exactly.

Although with our roster and coach there's no combination that will win us a grand final this year anyway. Especially when we would almost certainly have to face the Storm at some point through the finals.

 

[franklin2323]

2014:
Keary had played 22 games including the grand final. The grand final was his 11th game in the halves

Korisau had played 14 games including the grand final.

Adam Reynolds was only in his 3rd season and the grand final was his 79th NRL game.

Didn't Reynolds play in the 2012 and 2013 Prelim Final?
Isaac Luke still played a part in getting them to the finals

 

[franklin2323]

Isaac Luke didn't play in the grand final. Souths had 1 player that qualifies as an old head under your definitions.

Jamie Lyon is a centre. Include non spine players and Merrin, Tamou, Whare etc. add heaps.

You keep shifting the goalposts.

Jaime Lyon played 5/8th in the 2007 GF. He would often shift in to the halves but the point is still Ballen and Stewart

 

[OldPanther]

I honestly can't believe this is an argument anymore. We might not have the big 3 but we are fielding the best team we have available now excluding a few injuries. Even if we don't win it all this "rookie" spine can get some valuable experience, particularly in the finals against top 8 teams. That will be more valuable than number of games.

 

[BxTom]

I don't understand the argument. Moylan and Edwards can be considered as rookies in their new positions - 2 games isn't a great amount of experience. Mistakes? Some, but the positives seem to be outweighing the negatives by a long way. Time will tell us how good they are. So far they have been pretty good. One thing that I will say though is that there were a few times when Moylan appeared to defending on the wing. At lest he was a few times in Bathurst. Admittedly, I could not see where Moylan was a lot of the time from where I was sitting, but a few times that I could he was defending on the wing.

But I can say that the instruction to go up the middle and play on the last came from Griffin. The message was sent through a reserve and he yelled it out to two players right in front of me with about five minutes or so to go.

Tom.

 

[OldPanther]

I don't understand the argument. Moylan and Edwards can be considered as rookies in their new positions - 2 games isn't a great amount of experience. Mistakes? Some, but the positives seem to be outweighing the negatives by a long way. Time will tell us how good they are. So far they have been pretty good. One thing that I will say though is that there were a few times when Moylan appeared to defending on the wing. At lest he was a few times in Bathurst. Admittedly, I could not see where Moylan was a lot of the time from where I was sitting, but a few times that I could he was defending on the wing.

But I can say that the instruction to go up the middle and play on the last came from Griffin. The message was sent through a reserve and he yelled it out to two players right in front of me with about five minutes or so to go.

Tom.

So Griffin actually has some game reading/tactical talent. That's interesting.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

If Cronulla can go from getting completely belted by Melbourne one week to beating them in the GF just a few weeks later, we shouldn't be ruled out of contention.

The whole top four can only win the comp argument is based off the basic principle that the top four are the best four teams.If we play up to our potential heading into the finals, we will beat anyone.Even if we finish 5th-8th.

You can argue all you want about the team should have looking like this before, but please don't act like this season is over.It isn't close to being finished.