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Round 16 v Warriors

soc123_au

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Military, Law Enforcement, Firefighters, Ambos, hell even wards-man at hospitals….

Then we’ve got the tradesman… that list is huge…

The point is, lots of people out there have extremely physical jobs and put on long hours, day after day. They don’t have the care and treatment that the NRL players get.

So this isn’t really that big a stretch….
Ha ha, not even close to same thing. Just using Military as an example, when players do that type of training they find it hard, it's a completely different level of stamina and intensity. I was infantry for 3 years, so have some experience of what's involved and it's very different to professional sport, it's like comparing a thoroughbred to a stock horse.

Cops as well, I know you were one, how often did you do anything even close what Yeo does for 80 minutes? My Old Man was in the Cops for 35 years and he was and still is very fit, but again it's not the same.

Tradies? Now your really having a laugh.
 

Luke Bowden

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I'll take shit from many professions but not a f**king lazy copper!
I was a Soldier for a lot longer then I was a cop, then I wasn’t really a proper cop for that long either, just long enough to tick a box and move into an area more up my alley.

Actual Cops work super hard man, they have it tough.
 

PANTHERMIKE

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Military, Law Enforcement, Firefighters, Ambos, hell even wards-man at hospitals….

Then we’ve got the tradesman… that list is huge…

The point is, lots of people out there have extremely physical jobs and put on long hours, day after day. They don’t have the care and treatment that the NRL players get.

So this isn’t really that big a stretch….

Jesus, this is some wild gear you are on....
 

Oldpanther86

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Those jobs don't really have the extremes like an nrl player especially in SOO. The collisions are at 20km/hr and the forces on the body are pretty insane like being in a car accident
 

Chins

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I will be stunned (after listening to Ivan's presser at the weekend) if the origin boys back up.

Reading between the lines. Ivan was very unhappy that this decision was taken out of his hands by the draw, and when the games were played.
Alice one of a coaches most important jobs is dealing with the media, what that actually means is lying to them. They may play or they may not but stop putting so much stock in press conferences.
 

Luke Bowden

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Those jobs don't really have the extremes like an nrl player especially in SOO. The collisions are at 20km/hr and the forces on the body are pretty insane like being in a car accident
As I said, we can go back on forth on this all day.
There are plenty of jobs out there that have extreme physical demands and they are managed by high performance teams who make very intelligent decisions.
 

Oldpanther86

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As I said, we can go back on forth on this all day.
There are plenty of jobs out there that have extreme physical demands and they are managed by high performance teams who make very intelligent decisions.

I'm not arguing with any kind of stress. All in good faith. Those jobs are hard as well for the record it's just a different kind of thing.
 

Panther Pete

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I was a Soldier for a lot longer then I was a cop, then I wasn’t really a proper cop for that long either, just long enough to tick a box and move into an area more up my alley.

Actual Cops work super hard man, they have it tough.
Other than the selection course for TOU it’s laughable to compare working for the cops and playing an Origin game.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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Alice one of a coaches most important jobs is dealing with the media, what that actually means is lying to them. They may play or they may not but stop putting so much stock in press conferences.


I think I'm clever enough to tell the difference between a coach spinning a line, and someone being genuinely upset about something.

If the players get over for the warriors game, (which I think is very doubtful) there is no way they back up 5 days later for a game against the dogs.

As someone has already said that 3 games in 8 days. It's not happening.

I believe the origin players will miss New Zealand and then play against the dogs.
 

Luke Bowden

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I'm not arguing with any kind of stress. All in good faith. Those jobs are hard as well for the record it's just a different kind of thing.
Yeah I know, I’m not either.

I’m just pointing out, that physically, if they aren’t injured, those guys could easily handle it.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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Sure you hav

Has this thread become this.
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Come Tuesday we will find out I suppose.
 

Pomoz

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All this talk about military courses being tough and doing five days of intensity is off the mark. The players aren’t coping with a week, they are coping with half a season of grinding games and training. It is nothing like doing a job day to day. The intensity is just not there.

It is more like military selection (I can’t speak on behalf of the Police) for things like special forces. They may have a single week of tests, but usually there are months of intense training before this. Just like a season of football. The recruits are ground down until by the time they hit test week they are mentally and physically knackered. They are trying to test their mental strength. Many of the recruits break down long before they even get to the five day test week. Their bodies can’t handle it. Have a look at the pass rates for things like Marines, Paras, Sas, Seals etc Half the people don’t finish because their bodies fail, the rest mentally capitulate because of the stress. The list of injuries you see is just like the NRL. ACL’s, ruptured achilles, torn muscles, busted ankles. I realise the players are the physical elite which is why they are there in the first place and recruits are more like average Joes without the physical gifts of somebody like Bizza or Lomax (strong!!). But even so, they need rest and recovery just the same.

The science on the impact of high intensity work outs like an SOO game is pretty well understood. There are research papers on this and they now NRL clubs high performance units will have plenty of their own data. I would be amazed if any data they have would conclude the players will be fine.

Remember they already participating in a grueling season which is slowly wearing them down, just like a military course. The flying will reduce their sleep and recovery time and then add in jet lag and they will most certainly be tired. The players will not recover adequately in three days and the risk of injury increases as a person is fatigued. That said, is it a risk/reward balance that might be worth considering?

Having watched the highly combative and physical Warriors demolish the Sharks, I think asking the players to go from SOO to another very physical high intensity game with limited rest is more on the “risk” side than the “reward” side. I would rest them, in fact let them fly to Sydney and have a few days off.
 

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