Round 25 v Manly

[billypilgrimnz]

No problem with Segeyaro deciding not to play. In that case, Kingston is our back up hooker for better or worse, so he gets to start. Fair enough. If we had fewer injuries, we could try something different (like Peachey at hooker, or Moseley with Peachey/Brown as cover) but that is not the case.

 

[BxTom]

Kingston has 4 wins and 5 losses with us in first grade. Form line being WLWLWLWLL.

Segeyaro has won 10 from 13 as starting hooker. Form line being WWWWWLWWLLWWW.

There's a massive difference with Segeyaro at hooker. Kingston has been great for our club, but hasn't been a good first grade hooker since 2012.

That's right. Kingston is responsible for how the rest of the team perform too. :roll:

Tom

 

[Hughie1306]

If Melbourne and Canterbury both lose, we only need to win one game to make top 4. If this scenario eventuates, hopefully we throw all our eggs into one basket(Warriors game). By this I mean we should rest any players with niggles from the Manly game, and set ourselves for the Warriors game. As Melbourne and Bulldogs both play before us this weekend, we will know what is required come Sunday

 

[billypilgrimnz]

That's right. Kingston is responsible for how the rest of the team perform too. :roll:

Tom

So you see no connection whatsoever, and thus would be happy to return to Kingston starting and Segeyaro on the bench?

 

[soc123_au]

Tom, to a degree the hooker is very responsible for how the team plays. Kev will never let anyone down defensively, but at dummy half the teams attack suffers. Not a slight on him by any stretch, Seg has some fairly large attacking boots to fill. The situation is what it is. Whoever runs out on Sunday will give everything they have. Under the circumstances that will have to do.

 

[maple_69]

Outside of providing good service and some spark in attack, he takes a lot of focus off Soward and he has also started to run the plays with Soward since we lost Wallace.. Watch the Cows and Dragons games. He pops out of dummy half and plays the role of halfback with Soward at five eighth. Soward and Segeyaro have both stepped up to fill Wallaces role and it certainly showed in our attacking structure last night. We didn't have the back line set deep, decoys weren't in place and half the time Kingston went for the stellar option of inside ball to a lumbering forward.

 

[TheFrog]

Well, I certainly hope Ivan is playing games, because Kingston has been named starting.

Normal practice is to name the same team that started in the Monday game when naming a side on Tuesday.

 

[mxlegend99]

That's right. Kingston is responsible for how the rest of the team perform too. :roll:

Tom

Where did I blame Kingston for how the whole team performed? I believe the team performs better with Segeyaro starting and Kingston not in the team at all. Not all players play better or worse because of that change, but our spine operates a lot better and as a result we score more points and win more games.

That's not even taking into account that when Kingston was starting earlier in the year, we still had Segeyaro on the bench and we had almost our full roster to pick from. Segeyaro has gradually been part of a team that has gotten weaker each week, but our form hasn't really suffered because he can ignite our attack single handedly.

Our points scored and conceded also show it:
Kingston - 121 point for, 158 against over 9 games:
Average scoreline is Panthers losing 17.5 - 13.4

Segeyaro - 320 points for, 236 against over 13 games:
Average scoreline is Panthers winning 24.6 - 18.1

Obviously the roster has changed a lot in that time, and the quality of opposition varies and so on. But I think a total of 13 games and 9 games is a pretty good basis for comparison. I also think if anything Segeyaro has had the harder time with us playing more quality teams with a weakened roster.

 

[meek]

Kingston tries hard but IMO destroys the attack
But with Segeyaros family being his focus - unfortunately Kingston really is the only option .
Docker is a problem he was woeful - racing out of the line - silly play - needs a rest in reserves
gotta a feeling a big score coming against us if we go with the selected team against Manly-

 

[Puntastic]

Normal practice is to name the same team that started in the Monday game when naming a side on Tuesday.

Yep, pretty much this.

Need to focus on discipline, get the simple things done right and play with the attitude of a team that deserves to be playing finals footy, and we might even jag a win.

Can see us looking to the Warriors game rather than the task at hand which would be a mistake, don't do that and she'll be right and we'll have a game on our hands.

Tipping against us unfortunately, but expect them to make a game of it.

Wasn't too happy with Docker or BMM, but go easy on Will Smith. He's still only getting the hang of things, and he really hasn't been that bad.

 

[Dufmack]

I think last night perfectly displayed why Ivan is bringing in Api. Segeyaro's role is so crucial to our game and if something does happen, I'm happy to know we have someone who can play a similar role.

 

[BxTom]

So you see no connection whatsoever, and thus would be happy to return to Kingston starting and Segeyaro on the bench?

Of course I see a connection and no I don't want Kingston instead of Segeyaro. But you cannot pick 1 player ans say it's their fault we lost. It's an important position, but not the only player on the field.

And Billy boy, don't attribute words to me that I didn't say.

Segerayo also played part of those games and he was not an instant success.

Tom.

 

[friend10]

Kingston I hate his sideway running, just run forward.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

And Billy boy, don't attribute words to me that I didn't say.

Segerayo also played part of those games and he was not an instant success.

(a) I asked a question. You answered it. Welcome to conversations!


(b) Segeyaro was very much hamstrung in many of those games by coming on at the same time as our forward pack was weakened by, guess what, playing Kingston in the second row.

 

[betcats]

Can we please stop harping on about Kingston. No one has said they want him to start over Seggy besides maybe one post weeks ago, its getting ridiculous.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Kingston is gone for the year.

Moseley a huge chance to debut on Sunday.

 

[umina panther]

Sad way for him to go out

 

[MrAnonymous]

Where is Moseley off to next year ? Is he staying with us ?

 

[franklin2323]

Where is Moseley off to next year ? Is he staying with us ?

Staying Big League has him contracted until 2016. Must of re-signef

 

[mxlegend99]

Wow Kingston doesn't deserve to finish his career as a Panther like that. Was hoping he finished it leading our reserve grade side to a Premiership. Huge loss in the grand scheme of things with Segeyaro out at the moment also. Moseley, Kingston and Segeyaro gave us a quality hooker in each grade.