Round 3 vs Roosters

[billypilgrimnz]

Peachey rarely misses important tackles, if ever. But I'd still move him back to 2nd row to fit Whare and Blake in at centre.

I suggested bench, but yeah, a starting pack like this works as well, and may even be better than what we have currently settled on:

8. Merrin
9. Wallace
10. Tamou
11. Peachey
12. Yeo
13. Cartwright

 

[betcats]

Do you think 29 tackles with 10 missed is good?

Maybe start him as 2nd rower who knows

Not really but given how long he has played the position I think its acceptable. Whare is supposed to be one of the best defensive centres and his 26 tackles and 5 misses isn't a whole let better, considering what peach offers with the ball over Whare I think its fine.

 

[betcats]

Why Carty at lock? We are used to playing with a lock that is a metre eater through the middle and plays 70 minutes plus regurlarly. Locks are props these days for most teams, the only difference being that usually play more minutes and get through more work. I doubt Carty is fit enough to play 80 in the middle and still be effective with the ball, he would have props running at him all game. Not only that it changes the shape of our whole pack and the rotation off the bench.

 

[umina panther]

Why Carty at lock? We are used to playing with a lock that is a metre eater through the middle and plays 70 minutes plus regurlarly. Locks are props these days for most teams, the only difference being that usually play more minutes and get through more work. I doubt Carty is fit enough to play 80 in the middle and still be effective with the ball, he would have props running at him all game. Not only that it changes the shape of our whole pack and the rotation off the bench.

Agree but props and not centres running at Carty would be interesting. He can tackle ok, just shit lateral movement

 

[betcats]

Agree but props and not centres running at Carty would be interesting. He can tackle ok, just shit lateral movement

Yeah he would tackle them alright but it would gas him, he doesn't look like he is very fit for nrl player imo(atleast he looks to be carrying some fat) so he might struggle in that regard. I cant see him be able to play long minutes in the middle at this point.

 

[chrisD]

Cartwright wouldn't play 80 in the middle, he'd get rested same as any other lock, 50 to 60 would be ideal. We don't need 3 straight forward ball carters at any one time, it's overkill, it's why they're making so few meters, there's not enough work to go around.

 

[franklin2323]

Not really but given how long he has played the position I think its acceptable. Whare is supposed to be one of the best defensive centres and his 26 tackles and 5 misses isn't a whole let better, considering what peach offers with the ball over Whare I think its fine.

acceptable doesn't win us the comp it's fine now as it's early season. if we aren't more then 50/50 record when Mansour is back. I hope we pull the trigger on some hard calls on of those maybe moving Peachey

 

[franklin2323]

I suggested bench, but yeah, a starting pack like this works as well, and may even be better than what we have currently settled on:

8. Merrin
9. Wallace
10. Tamou
11. Peachey
12. Yeo
13. Cartwright

I would go Cartwright off the bench even. see how he goes with a few more games under his belt

 

[betcats]

acceptable doesn't win us the comp it's fine now as it's early season. if we aren't more then 50/50 record when Mansour is back. I hope we pull the trigger on some hard calls on of those maybe moving Peachey

Peachey is our biggest attacking weapon at this point. His combination with Moylan since the back end of last season has been a thing of beauty and will only get better. He might be the best attacking centre in the game after a full season there. He has had to defend with 3 different wingers in 3 games and a couple of different back rowers on that side. Considering that whare isnt exactly killing Peachey with his defensive numbers also the fact that Blake had worse defensive numbers than Peachey last season I don't see the point of moving a weapon like Peachey when Whare/Blake is likely a worse defensive centre pairing than Peachey/Whare. You aren't gaining anything because at worse Peachey and Blake are even defenders, but you are losing our best attacking centre who happens to be one of our best attacking weapons in general and benching him. Makes very little sense to me, only positive is it gets Blake back in the centres.

 

[franklin2323]

Peachey is our biggest attacking weapon at this point. His combination with Moylan since the back end of last season has been a thing of beauty and will only get better. He might be the best attacking centre in the game after a full season there. He has had to defend with 3 different wingers in 3 games and a couple of different back rowers on that side. Considering that whare isnt exactly killing Peachey with his defensive numbers also the fact that Blake had worse defensive numbers than Peachey last season I don't see the point of moving a weapon like Peachey when Whare/Blake is likely a worse defensive centre pairing than Peachey/Whare. You aren't gaining anything because at worse Peachey and Blake are even defenders, but you are losing our best attacking centre who happens to be one of our best attacking weapons in general and benching him. Makes very little sense to me, only positive is it gets Blake back in the centres.

All of his stats so far has been individual ones nothing saying they won't transfer to the backrow. The try he scored as well the safer option is to get it into the unmarked winger. Where did I say bench him? 2nd row works as well

 

[betcats]

All of his stats so far has been individual ones nothing saying they won't transfer to the backrow. The try he scored as well the safer option is to get it into the unmarked winger. Where did I say bench him? 2nd row works as well

Every player makes mistakes. Whare had a bad miss that led directly to a try on Saturday. Peacheys best form and most consistent footy has been since he moved to the centres. I see very little reason to move him, the defensive argument doesn't fly because you want to move a statistically worse defender there to replace. To me it would be ridiculous to move peachey, theres no real reason for it as offensively he is killing it.

 

[franklin2323]

Every player makes mistakes. Whare had a bad miss that led directly to a try on Saturday. Peacheys best form and most consistent footy has been since he moved to the centres. I see very little reason to move him, the defensive argument doesn't fly because you want to move a statistically worse defender there to replace. To me it would be ridiculous to move peachey, theres no real reason for it as offensively he is killing it.

All that matters is wins. Adding Mansour adds to our team the beauty with having Peachey is he allows to option to get rid of a forward if needed

 

[betcats]

All that matters is wins. Adding Mansour adds to our team the beauty with having Peachey is he allows to option to get rid of a forward if needed

Of course winning is what matters. Peachey in the centres gives us the best chance of winning imo otherwise I wouldn't be arguing it. Moving Peachey out of the centres likely hurts our offense and defense so why do it? How does it make us more likely to win?

If his form was indifferent I could understand but since he moved to the centres last season he is in the form of his life and consistent as well.

 

[Westernised Panther]

I love Joe Galuvao for his heroics of 2003 but............

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/da...d/news-story/c6bc3a2e440ee43ec07e16e5cdb37c76


.......how he didn't give any Panthers player points in that game is unbelievable. Peachey at least deserved 2 points for his efforts.

Did Keary even do anything relevant?

 

[franklin2323]

Of course winning is what matters. Peachey in the centres gives us the best chance of winning imo otherwise I wouldn't be arguing it. Moving Peachey out of the centres likely hurts our offense and defense so why do it? How does it make us more likely to win?

You don't think dropping Leota or Browne instead of Blake or Whare (Assuming the backs are all firing) Helps our team?

 

[betcats]

You don't think dropping Leota or Browne instead of Blake or Whare (Assuming the backs are all firing) Helps our team?

Not if it means moving our strike player from his best postion and you are reaching now imo, I am not picking centres based on which one allows me to drop a forward off the bench when Mansour comes back in two months time.

Edit: The reason I am so resistant to moving Peachey is that I am not convinced he can replicate his centre form in the back row, he would certainly have his moments but he would be forced to punch above his weight a lot and earlier in his career that led to a lot of inconsistency and sideways running. The centres just gives him a little bit more space and smaller defenders to run through or around and it makes all the difference, he is very difficult to contain in the centres given his speed and tackle breaking ability and you add to that his combination with Moylan and its just a no brainer for me, he is the first centre we pick.

 

[franklin2323]

Not if it means moving our strike player from his best postion and you are reaching now imo, I am not picking centres based on which one allows me to drop a forward off the bench when Mansour comes back in two months time.

Edit: The reason I am so resistant to moving Peachey is that I am not convinced he can replicate his centre form in the back row, he would certainly have his moments but he would be forced to punch above his weight a lot and earlier in his career that led to a lot of inconsistency and sideways running. The centres just gives him a little bit more space and smaller defenders to run through or around and it makes all the difference, he is very difficult to contain in the centres given his speed and tackle breaking ability and you add to that his combination with Moylan and its just a no brainer for me, he is the first centre we pick.

I am picking the best 17 to win games. Why drop Blake or Whare if they are playing well

 

[betcats]

I am picking the best 17 to win games. Why drop Blake or Whare if they are playing well

Neither has been playing better than Peachey. Why move him to accommodate them? again that makes no sense to me.

 

[franklin2323]

Neither has been playing better than Peachey. Why move him to accommodate them? again that makes no sense to me.

no but we can't score points against good defence. So why take strike weapons out?

 

[betcats]

no but we can't score points against good defence. So why take strike weapons out?

What? You come to that conclusion because we only scored one try against the roosters? And peachey is our strike weapon, he has more linebreaks than Waqa and Whare combined and more tacklebreaks than Whare and Waqa combined and more offloads and try assists than the two of them together, what are we talking about here? If you are worried about scoring points moving peach is the last thing you would do, not that we need to worry about that imo we can score plenty, one game means nothing, even three games is far to small a sample size to make that call you are definitely reaching now.