Round 6 Vs Storm

[franklin2323]

Love sauce. But I reckon he has about 12 months of first grade left at Penrith.

If he is a regular first grader by late next year then hats off to him. Great effort by a very honest footballer who bleeds for our club. He is one guy who truly deserves an off field job with the Panthers once he hangs up his boots.

No NSW Cup helps players like him. Staines and co can’t tear up down there

 

[Kilkenny]

I really don’t get the narrative around Josh Mansour at present.

He has been terrific thus far in 2020.

He is an automatic selection for mine until such time we unearth the next Josh Addo Carr on sign him for next season.

 

[Kilkenny]

It’s probably just me but I am not a fan of the 14th man being the utility who comes on to play maybe 10 minutes.

I understand the 14 utility covers situations such as unforseen injuries or to give Api a break if he needs it but for me I am an advocate of just putting out our best 17 and for me that is having a four forward bench rotation.

A bench of Leota, Hetherington, Martin & Lenui (when fit) offers so much more in my opinion and if we do get an unforseen injury then we just deal with it either thru using Yeo or some other player.

We put up the Capewell early injury issue as a problem for us on Friday night but the Eels only used 16 players themselves as Stone wasn’t put on the field at any stage and one of there other bench players only was given very limited minutes.

By all means play a utility if your are actually going to play them for 20 minutes or so but if you bring them on a the back end I just don’t see the value overall.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I really don’t get the narrative around Josh Mansour at present.

He has been terrific thus far in 2020.

He is an automatic selection for mine until such time we unearth the next Josh Addo Carr on sign him for next season.

He’s been terrific at one aspect of the game, gaining meters. Wing play is much more than that.

We have a backline with very little pace or height, two key areas. Look at it this way, we have pretty good kickers in Cleary, Luai & Burton, but who’s able to capitalise on that? They’re all mostly short and/or slow.

If Mansour had the diving ability of To’o, that’d make up for it. But he really doesn’t have any try line offensive weapons. The only tries he scores anymore are when there’s open field in front of him. Look at the try To’o scored against the Eels, he beat several defenders, weaving in & out and then sliding for the line. Mansour capable of that? What’s he actually capable of close to the try line?

 

[Fangs]

I really don’t get the narrative around Josh Mansour at present.

He has been terrific thus far in 2020.

He is an automatic selection for mine until such time we unearth the next Josh Addo Carr on sign him for next season.

Yes his metres have been fantastic. His general play has not been. Neither has his finishing which to me is his main KPI.

Big fan of his, but I don't see him improving. And I can't see him keeping up his current form.

 

[Kilkenny]

Would we even get downfield into offensive positions without the metres Josh Mansour give us? I don’ think so.

It’s all fine and dandy talking about finishing of back line movements and scoring play’s but you actually have to get down into the opponents half in the first place.

The go forward Josh gives us is invaluable and there is absolutely no way Brent Naden gives us the same go forward and metres that Josh does.

The work Josh has done this season has been much undervalued even if he doesn’t score a try or two every game. His work get’s us on the front foot, into our opponent’s half and from then on it is largely the same issues as we have experienced for four or five seasons just a total lack of attacking structures. Not his fault.

 

[martielang]

I really don’t get the narrative around Josh Mansour at present.

He has been terrific thus far in 2020.

He is an automatic selection for mine until such time we unearth the next Josh Addo Carr on sign him for next season.

Agree. The blokes actually catching bombs for the first time in his career as well.

 

[WestyLife]

Would we even get downfield into offensive positions without the metres Josh Mansour give us? I don’ think so.

It’s all fine and dandy talking about finishing of back line movements and scoring play’s but you actually have to get down into the opponents half in the first place.

The go forward Josh gives us is invaluable and there is absolutely no way Brent Naden gives us the same go forward and metres that Josh does.

The work Josh has done this season has been much undervalued even if he doesn’t score a try or two every game. His work get’s us on the front foot, into our opponent’s half and from then on it is largely the same issues as we have experienced for four or five seasons just a total lack of attacking structures. Not his fault.

We have one of the better forward packs now and Nathan has one of the best long kicking games in the league. We don't need Mansour for field position.

 

[Kilkenny]

Let’s drill down into this. If Josh Mansour played for the Sydney Roosters do you not think he would score 10-15 may even 20 tries in a season?

I have absolutely no doubt he would score minimum of 10 and more likely somewhere between 15-20. All he would have to do would be catch the ball and put in down for the most part?

Poor old John and Brian To’o are cart horses for the most part and rarely get tries served up on a plate.

 

[Kilkenny]

Brett Morris just scored a try for the Roosters, served up on a plate, he didn’t have to do a thing other than be in the right place. It’s the Roosters. I cannot recall the last time, if ever, Josh Mansour was a recipient of such an easy try as I just saw Brett Morris score.

 

[Kilkenny]

We have one of the better forward packs now and Nathan has one of the best long kicking games in the league. We don't need Mansour for field position.

If you truly believe that, you seriously have no idea.

The work Josh does is so crucial to getting good field position in the first place our forward pack would be much the worse off without the work Josh does.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Let’s drill down into this. If Josh Mansour played for the Sydney Roosters do you not think he would score 10-15 may even 20 tries in a season?

I have absolutely no doubt he would score minimum of 10 and more likely somewhere between 15-20. All he would have to do would be catch the ball and put in down for the most part?

Poor old John and Brian To’o are cart horses for the most part and rarely get tries served up on a plate.

The only tries he’d score for any team would be open space tries with no one in front of him. Yeah he doesn’t get that many opportunities for that type of try, but a winger shouldn’t get plaudits for finishing off in that fashion.


We have two short wingers in a game where kicking to your winger has become a big part of play. To me that doesn’t make any sense.

 

[WestyLife]

If you truly believe that, you seriously have no idea.

The work Josh does is so crucial to getting good field position in the first place our forward pack would be much the worse off without the work Josh does.

I do have an idea. Fans are nostalgic for players who have given good service to the club in years gone by. Is Mansour a good runner of the ball? Absolutely, very strong and he'd be an excellent impact forward with the new rules creating fatigue.

The idea that we can't get field position without him is false though. Every other team in the comp can do it without a Mansour style prop on the wing.

 

[herbert henry1908]

If you truly believe that, you seriously have no idea.

The work Josh does is so crucial to getting good field position in the first place our forward pack would be much the worse off without the work Josh does.

The question would become, how many meters would we lose without Mansour?

You don’t lose all his meters, because another winger is going to be capable of at least a decent proportion of his output. Plus what if To’o stepped in and did a little bit more as well? (To’o already gets good meters admittedly)

Let’s say the trade off was losing 25% of Mansours meters, would that be worth it?

 

[Kilkenny]

I do have an idea. Fans are nostalgic for players who have given good service to the club in years gone by. Is Mansour a good runner of the ball? Absolutely, very strong and he'd be an excellent impact forward with the new rules creating fatigue.

The idea that we can't get field position without him is false though. Every other team in the comp can do it without a Mansour style prop on the wing.

I watch every game every week?

Your suggestion that every team get’s the same go forward from there wingers bringing the ball back is not backed up by the statistics and not by my own observations.

I’m not a big stats person but I thought Franklin posted some stats prior to the our game against the Eels which indicated that Josh was the top metre eater in the NRL. That didn’t surprise me given what I had seen.

Given you are expressing a view Josh can be replaced can you enlighten me as to whom you think can get us the go forward and metres that he currently offers us?

 

[WestyLife]

I watch every game every week?

Your suggestion that every team get’s the same go forward from there wingers bringing the ball back is not backed up by the statistics and not by my own observations.

I’m not a big stats person but I thought Franklin posted some stats prior to the our game against the Eels which indicated that Josh was the top metre eater in the NRL. That didn’t surprise me given what I had seen.

Given you are expressing a view Josh can be replaced can you enlighten me as to whom you think can get us the go forward and metres that he currently offers us?

I think this comment sums it up perfectly:

The question would become, how many meters would we lose without Mansour?

You don’t lose all his meters, because another winger is going to be capable of at least a decent proportion of his output. Plus what if To’o stepped in and did a little bit more as well? (To’o already gets good meters admittedly)

Let’s say the trade off was losing 25% of Mansours meters, would that be worth it?

Josh is better served in the 14 now coming on and smashing tired middles with his carries.

 

[Kilkenny]

The question would become, how many meters would we lose without Mansour?

You don’t lose all his meters, because another winger is going to be capable of at least a decent proportion of his output. Plus what if To’o stepped in and did a little bit more as well? (To’o already gets good meters admittedly)

Let’s say the trade off was losing 25% of Mansours meters, would that be worth it?

Would I accept a trade with the Storm. Josh Mansour for Josh Addo Carr I would say yes.

There’s not to many other current wingers who I would be prepared to trade Josh for and I really do understand what you are saying about his lack of tries but is that not more reflective of our lack of offensive rather than Josh’s abilities?

Herbert, you and I would love a winger who can run the 100 in under 10 seconds, big unit who will cart if back for 20 carries each and every game for 250 metres and score 15-20 tries but they are like hens teeth. And the other point is they have to play for a side capable of creating multiple opportunities to allow them to score which realistically we don’t offer as we are not that good.

 

[franklin2323]

Brett Morris just scored a try for the Roosters, served up on a plate, he didn’t have to do a thing other than be in the right place. It’s the Roosters. I cannot recall the last time, if ever, Josh Mansour was a recipient of such an easy try as I just saw Brett Morris score.

Friday night he went over untouched.

Everytime he needs to challenge his opposition winger a try isn’t scored. Says it all really

But Whare is the one that should be out for Naden

 

[Copperhead]

We put up the Capewell early injury issue as a problem for us on Friday night but the Eels only used 16 players themselves as Stone wasn’t put on the field at any stage and one of there other bench players only was given very limited minutes.

Stone played for 7 minutes. The other three bench players had 20, 27 and 35 minutes.

 

[Kilkenny]

Stone played for 7 minutes. The other three bench players had 20, 27 and 35 minutes.

I stand corrected, I don’t remember seeing him coming on at any stage. I saw him warming up but didn’t think he got a run.