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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent - Lomax case settled

Dogs Of War

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Penrith retain dual code junior/wallabies u16

That surname is familiar too is that his dad or relo that played league ?
No idea if they are related but an Anthony Xuereb played for the Panthers back in the 90's. So who knows. Right age for that to be his son.

 

Gobsmacked

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The main reason he says that is because he's an idiot.
1:
Rugby only pays well for those likely to represent the national team, only 1 team .
2: the positions available in that national team that have transferable skills are limited ( wings and centers)
3: outside of the national team, finances are limited ( around 5 million for an entire SR squad)

the quota for non Rugby players is already reaching it's ceiling.
The finances available for non Rugby players ( assuming it's more than NRL) has reached its ceiling.

Run hard , tackle hard and keep your gob shut.
 

Dogs Of War

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The main reason he says that is because he's an idiot.
1:
Rugby only pays well for those likely to represent the national team, only 1 team .
2: the positions available in that national team that have transferable skills are limited ( wings and centers)
3: outside of the national team, finances are limited ( around 5 million for an entire SR squad)

the quota for non Rugby players is already reaching it's ceiling.
The finances available for non Rugby players ( assuming it's more than NRL) has reached its ceiling.

Run hard , tackle hard and keep your gob shut.

The window really was this year to give yourself time to make the World Cup squad. That's where the money, and potential to put yourself on teh Rugby world stage exists so you can grab some decent french money in the years after. Otherwise you need to be the top of your game for Rugby Australia to be able to use you.
 

Gobsmacked

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The window really was this year to give yourself time to make the World Cup squad. That's where the money, and potential to put yourself on teh Rugby world stage exists so you can grab some decent french money in the years after. Otherwise you need to be the top of your game for Rugby Australia to be able to use you.
I have a suspicion that Rugby Australia weren't certain they had a spot for Lomax in the national team and his offer actually fell below what he could earn in the NRL( it would have been more Wallaby depth offer)and the possibility of getting Criten was part of that. Criten actually has experience in Union and can be relied upon to honor a contract.

I'm obviously just spit balling though.
 

Dogs Of War

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I have a suspicion that Rugby Australia weren't certain they had a spot for Lomax in the national team and his offer actually fell below what he could earn in the NRL( it would have been more Wallaby depth offer)and the possibility of getting Criten was part of that. Criten actually has experience in Union and can be relied upon to honor a contract.

I'm obviously just spit balling though.

He plays in one position they have loads of currently. No need to bring Lomax in when there is already a great competition for spots in that role.
 

Gobsmacked

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Exhibit A of a great league player who, was ordinary at Union when he defected to it, and came back to league - Sam Burgess.
I played League at school and our teacher insisted on putting together a Union squad. I played mostly back row , not bad with the ball for a carry but I was a good defender.
In Union my skills were almost redundant, nobody ran at you trying to break the tackle and the same when I ran, the objective was to protect possession.

My point is, in the middle, it's a completely different game ( shit).

I think some players are actually in the wrong sport, their some league guys that might actually be better suited to that game but it takes time and you're certainly not throwing big money at that chance, if anything it's less than a current middle in SR.. which is f all.
 

Wb1234

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The main reason he says that is because he's an idiot.
1:
Rugby only pays well for those likely to represent the national team, only 1 team .
2: the positions available in that national team that have transferable skills are limited ( wings and centers)
3: outside of the national team, finances are limited ( around 5 million for an entire SR squad)

the quota for non Rugby players is already reaching it's ceiling.
The finances available for non Rugby players ( assuming it's more than NRL) has reached its ceiling.

Run hard , tackle hard and keep your gob shut.
Wallabies need a team full of average nrl players for attention

People watching the World Cup here need to get their heads checked it’s a bunch of average rugby players
 

Gobsmacked

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Wallabies need a team full of average nrl players for attention

People watching the World Cup here need to get their heads checked it’s a bunch of average rugby players
The WC is a great opportunity for League people to watch so they can appreciate the NRL.
 
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I do the yearly Red v Tahs match with some mates. It so much slower it's not funny.
In the early 2000`s I remember walking past the SFS one evening where a Super Rugby game was about to start, the thing I`ll never forget was that the whistle blew (kick off) there was a roar from the crowd and then deadly silence, I only later learnt that it is not uncommon for the team receiving the kick-off to immediately kick the ball into touch, hence the break in play and the silence. Being a League fan I`d never heard of anything like it, bizarre, what a game.
 
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Rugby Australia has landed a second major signing in as many weeks with young superstar Max Jorgensen agreeing to a five-year, multimillion-dollar deal, fending off the interest of NRL clubs and rebel rugby competition R360.

Jorgensen, 21, has recommitted his future to rugby in one of the longest deals struck in Australian rugby. Only Wallabies captain Michael Hooper and star winger Lote Tuqiri had previously signed for five years.

The deal, which is set to be announced later this week, will mean Jorgensen remains with Rugby Australia and the Waratahs through to the end of 2031, but will also contain two seasons where the outstanding young back can have a sabbatical overseas, according to informed sources.
The Jorgensen deal comes a week after RA and the Waratahs signed Roosters star Angus Crichton.

RA chief executive Phil Waugh labelled Jorgensen a “generational talent” last year and the governing body pushed hard to keep the former schoolboys star. Informed sources said Jorgensen will earn more than $900,000 a season, with the capacity to earn in excess of $1 million a year.
Having previously attempted to sign Jorgensen twice, the Sydney Roosters were again keen to bring the 21-Test Wallaby to the Bondi club, and R360 had also pushed hard to recruit the outside back before the rebel competition was postponed until 2028.

Jorgensen made his debut for the Waratahs as an 18-year-old in 2023, and after a broken leg denied him a Test debut in the 2023 World Cup, he earned his first Wallabies cap in late 2024. A match-winning try at Twickenham began an outstanding run of performances in gold, with Jorgensen scoring memorable solo tries in two of the three Lions Tests last year, as well as in Tests against the Springboks and France.

Wallabies teammate Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii appeared to hint at Jorgensen’s deal at a Waratahs media day on Wednesday when asked if he hoped the Roosters don’t poach his teammate.

“No, Max is here for a bit,” Suaalii said. “I love the Sydney Roosters. I’ve loved that club ever since I got there. I still do. But hopefully they don’t take Max. He’s been killing it here. He’s a superstar, and he just keeps on getting better and better.”

While Jorgensen is not switching to league, Suaalii believes the flow of talent coming to union from the NRL may increase following Crichton’s move.

Suaalii said he had not spoken to Crichton about his decision before the deal was done, but as former schoolboy rugby stars, the pair had often spoken while at the Roosters about a shared desire to play union again.
“Every time I’ve spoken to Angus, he’s always said he’s loved rugby. It’s a pleasure for him to come across. I think everyone’s very, very excited,” Suaalii said.

“He has a presence about him. He trains hard, he makes your teammates better around him. That’s his special ability to make everyone better around him. He has that presence that you can’t get from anywhere else.
“You can feel the buzz around the group, from the boys.”

t’s more trickle than flood at the moment, but the stream of NRL players moving to union has been enough to fuel online and talkback debate. Along with Suaalii and Crichton, Mark Nawaqanitawase is also set to return to rugby at the end of 2026, and Carter Gordon went back last year. Zac Lomax is also still contemplating a move to Super Rugby.
Those movements have been mostly driven by Australia hosting the Rugby World Cup next year, and the fact all – bar Lomax – were previously rugby players. But that’s also the case with many young players in the NRL, who grew up playing both codes.

Asked if his and Crichton’s switch to rugby could prompt other league players to move, Suaalii said: “Yes, you could say that. I feel like you see one person do it, the possibility comes.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/an...weating-on-max-jorgensen-20260122-p5nw8l.html
“When I was at league, I watched Israel Folau go across. I watched even Wendell Sailor going across. Even Karmichael Hunt. You see boys go across, and you’re like, why not, I can do that as well.
“I feel like that’s been a key factor for a lot of young kids coming through, and even older players as well, saying, why not, I can do it as well.”
Suaalii lauded Crichton as a great leader and person, and “one of the toughest players I have played with”. He said he believed one season would be enough for the forward to find his feet in rugby and make the Wallabies’ World Cup squad, but also recommended Crichton follow the same path he took and go on the spring tour at the end of the year.

“For myself, I feel like you want to get thrown into the deep water straight away; I feel like that’s where you either sink or swim,” Suaalii said. “For myself, I feel like it was a great thing for me to learn the game straight away.”
Waratahs coach Dan McKellar named his side for their opening trial against Queensland on Saturday in Brisbane, with Suaalii among five Wallabies players not considered. Recruit Harry Potter is the only Wallaby who will suit up, with a 30-man squad dominated by players who have done the entire pre-season. By contrast, the Reds named a squad containing 12 Wallabies, including captain Fraser McReight.

 

Gobsmacked

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Rugby Australia has landed a second major signing in as many weeks with young superstar Max Jorgensen agreeing to a five-year, multimillion-dollar deal, fending off the interest of NRL clubs and rebel rugby competition R360.

Jorgensen, 21, has recommitted his future to rugby in one of the longest deals struck in Australian rugby. Only Wallabies captain Michael Hooper and star winger Lote Tuqiri had previously signed for five years.

The deal, which is set to be announced later this week, will mean Jorgensen remains with Rugby Australia and the Waratahs through to the end of 2031, but will also contain two seasons where the outstanding young back can have a sabbatical overseas, according to informed sources.
The Jorgensen deal comes a week after RA and the Waratahs signed Roosters star Angus Crichton.

RA chief executive Phil Waugh labelled Jorgensen a “generational talent” last year and the governing body pushed hard to keep the former schoolboys star. Informed sources said Jorgensen will earn more than $900,000 a season, with the capacity to earn in excess of $1 million a year.
Having previously attempted to sign Jorgensen twice, the Sydney Roosters were again keen to bring the 21-Test Wallaby to the Bondi club, and R360 had also pushed hard to recruit the outside back before the rebel competition was postponed until 2028.

Jorgensen made his debut for the Waratahs as an 18-year-old in 2023, and after a broken leg denied him a Test debut in the 2023 World Cup, he earned his first Wallabies cap in late 2024. A match-winning try at Twickenham began an outstanding run of performances in gold, with Jorgensen scoring memorable solo tries in two of the three Lions Tests last year, as well as in Tests against the Springboks and France.

Wallabies teammate Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii appeared to hint at Jorgensen’s deal at a Waratahs media day on Wednesday when asked if he hoped the Roosters don’t poach his teammate.

“No, Max is here for a bit,” Suaalii said. “I love the Sydney Roosters. I’ve loved that club ever since I got there. I still do. But hopefully they don’t take Max. He’s been killing it here. He’s a superstar, and he just keeps on getting better and better.”

While Jorgensen is not switching to league, Suaalii believes the flow of talent coming to union from the NRL may increase following Crichton’s move.

Suaalii said he had not spoken to Crichton about his decision before the deal was done, but as former schoolboy rugby stars, the pair had often spoken while at the Roosters about a shared desire to play union again.
“Every time I’ve spoken to Angus, he’s always said he’s loved rugby. It’s a pleasure for him to come across. I think everyone’s very, very excited,” Suaalii said.

“He has a presence about him. He trains hard, he makes your teammates better around him. That’s his special ability to make everyone better around him. He has that presence that you can’t get from anywhere else.
“You can feel the buzz around the group, from the boys.”

t’s more trickle than flood at the moment, but the stream of NRL players moving to union has been enough to fuel online and talkback debate. Along with Suaalii and Crichton, Mark Nawaqanitawase is also set to return to rugby at the end of 2026, and Carter Gordon went back last year. Zac Lomax is also still contemplating a move to Super Rugby.
Those movements have been mostly driven by Australia hosting the Rugby World Cup next year, and the fact all – bar Lomax – were previously rugby players. But that’s also the case with many young players in the NRL, who grew up playing both codes.

Asked if his and Crichton’s switch to rugby could prompt other league players to move, Suaalii said: “Yes, you could say that. I feel like you see one person do it, the possibility comes.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/an...weating-on-max-jorgensen-20260122-p5nw8l.html
“When I was at league, I watched Israel Folau go across. I watched even Wendell Sailor going across. Even Karmichael Hunt. You see boys go across, and you’re like, why not, I can do that as well.
“I feel like that’s been a key factor for a lot of young kids coming through, and even older players as well, saying, why not, I can do it as well.”
Suaalii lauded Crichton as a great leader and person, and “one of the toughest players I have played with”. He said he believed one season would be enough for the forward to find his feet in rugby and make the Wallabies’ World Cup squad, but also recommended Crichton follow the same path he took and go on the spring tour at the end of the year.

“For myself, I feel like you want to get thrown into the deep water straight away; I feel like that’s where you either sink or swim,” Suaalii said. “For myself, I feel like it was a great thing for me to learn the game straight away.”
Waratahs coach Dan McKellar named his side for their opening trial against Queensland on Saturday in Brisbane, with Suaalii among five Wallabies players not considered. Recruit Harry Potter is the only Wallaby who will suit up, with a 30-man squad dominated by players who have done the entire pre-season. By contrast, the Reds named a squad containing 12 Wallabies, including captain Fraser McReight.

That's 2 wingers and 2 centers.
That's the Wallabies tapped out for their NRL player requirements imo. Unless they think they can convert a forward in 12 months..
You're certainly not converting a half or fullback in that time.

It's actually a wonderful opportunity for NRL clubs if they're paying attention to the talent coming through that are stuck behind these 4 obvious choices.. looking at you Bears!!

I've got no problem with Criten going ect but I do take issue with players who are openly advocating for defection like Sualii is. He is using the NRL profile to draw attention to RU. If he wants to talk about how wonderful Union is, by all means.. talking up the possibly poaching NRL players..
That's the type of shit that should get you banned from returning or at least a fine upon return.
 

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