Ruiz v Jones

[Cronulla_Mania]

Jones has started doing things away from the sport such as releasing rap cds. Its clear that he is the best in his division, but as they say in any sport, your only as good as your opposition

That article you posted Atilia was quite interesting. It would've been awesome to see a match up between the two

But as RD said before, i just can't get over the wright, reach and height difference. Ruiz for me

Cheers,
Moffo

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

And just listening to a boxing commentator on the radio at the moment, he is claiming that Jones has come out and said that he can knock out Ruiz.

Somehow, it just feels like that would be the most unlikely result of all. Anyone elses opinions?

Cheers,
Moffo

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Moff, I could see it happening if Ruiz doesn't respect Jones and wades in looking toKO him, Jones could surprise Ruiz with his hand speed and lay a combination on him. Ruiz can be knocked out, although I agree that Jones is no David Tua in the power stakes.

 

[El Duque]

Jones made it look easy. He beat Ruiz convincingly.

There's nobody even close to Roy Jones on a pound for pond basis.

1. Roy Jones
2 Daylight

 

[bender]

Roy Jones won virtually every round and taunted and toyed with Ruiz right the way through. A very, very polished performance.

 

[imported_Oracle]

I hope Jones fights Lennox Lewis now.

As co-commentatorLewis didn't really give much away during the fight but he said if the money was right he'd definately fight Jones.

He's probably the onlyboxer in the world at the moment that would be favourite to beat Jones.

 

[El Duque]

There's plenty who'd beat Jones at Heavy, but Ruiz isn't one of them. Roy isn't big enough for most of the guys. Lewis would kill him, but that wouldn't make him a better fighter.

Roy would never be stupid enough to fight Lewis, Tyson or one of the Klits. I'm sure he's said he wouldn't even fight Byrd.

 

[Broncos-fan-baller]

Scores were 116-112, 117-111, 118-110 in favour of Roy Jones JNR.
'fan-baller

 

[imported_Oracle]

I reckon Jones'd beat them all bar Lewis, who would dominate him.

I'm not a boxing expert by any means, I just like to watch the fights, but I think Jones would beat Tyson for sure, at least at this point in time. If he played it safe for the first 4 or 5 rounds I think Jones would definately be able to beat Tyson on points.

 

[El Duque]

Well Roy has said he won't fight Tyson so he doesn't share your optimisim.

 

[Broncos-fan-baller]

but I think Jones would beat Tyson for sure, at least at this point in time. If he played it safe for the first 4 or 5 rounds I think Jones would definately be able to beat Tyson on points.
What? No chance! Jones would be lucky (for a better word) to last two rounds at best with Tyson. David Tua would also bash Roy Jones senseless. Too much size, strength and power. Jones might have the stamina or endurance to go the rounds with either of them, but it'd never get to that. Two rounds at absolute best with either Tyson or Tuaman,and Jones would be shitting blood for a week. Lewis doesn't interest me at all. The sooner he gives the gloves away, the beeter for boxing. FH!
'fan-baller

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

Yeh, very impressive. I was hoping towards the end that Ruiz would somehow find a punch to flatten Jones, he is the American answer to Mundine (in terms of showboating in the ring)

Id like to see Jones and Lewis as well. Wouldn't Lewis have to go through Jones now if he wanted that title? Or am i talking about different divisions here?

Cheers,
Moffo

 

[imported_Oracle]

He'd have to beat Jones to win the WBA title yes, but I don't think he really cares about it as everyone knows he's the best.

Tyson, is like 2 centimetres taller than Jones and his reach advantage would be nothing like the one Ruiz had. He'd have the advantage in weight and power for sure and he's quick for a heavyweight, but at the moment he's fat, unfit and vunerable. If Jones could keep away from him for the first few rounds, he'd tire and Jones would pick him apart.

Jones wouldn't have anything to gain from fighting Tyson now but money, he wants titles along with the money.

Also, if anyone that knows a lot boxing can answer this, if Jones did end up fighting and then somehow beating Lewis to become the undisputed heavyweight champion would he have a chance as surpassingAli as the greatest boxer in history?

 

[Javaman]

Poster Oracle posted:
if Jones did end up fighting and then somehow beating Lewis to become the undisputed heavyweight champion would he have a chance as surpassingAli as the greatest boxer in history?
Poster Oracle,
That could never happen because Ali was NEVER the greatest boxer in history! Unless of course you ask him or those he convinced, or fell for his "I am the greatest" tag.
Javaman.

 

[Javaman]

Cassius Clay, to some degree, is a different story.
Javaman.

 

[bender]

Jones was very, very good. We still don't know if he can take punishment from a heavyweight because he simply did not take any. He toyed with Ruiz and his victory was as comprehensive as his victory over Glen Kelly. On that form, he would have to be the best chance of the current crop to defeat Lennox Lewis. I think he would beat Tyson and Tua quite comfortably, provided he didnt walk into the one punch knockout. Tyson's earlyround bustling might be a little difficult to handle (as in Tyson Spinks) but i still think that Jones would beat the current Tyson. The two Klitchsko's and Lewis would be the toughest for Jones to beat. They have the enormous size and reach advantage. In Lewis case in particular, he has a very good jab and boxing skills which could keep Jones Jr at bay, and most likely would. Still, he would have a very good chance but would certainly be the underdog.

As for fighting Ali, if Jones Jr beats Lewis, i think he can be mentioned in the same class as Ali, but I dont think he would surpass him. In many ways his career (heavyweight wise) would be very similar to Gene Tunney's, who retired as heavyweight champion, who is one of the greatest heavyweights, but not the Greatest. To compare with Ali at heavyweight, he would need to beat Lewis and at least 2 or 3 others. Incidentally, if he was ever found to have the chin/heart of Ali, he would raise considerably, imo. At the moment he would struggle to crack the top 100 on the all time list.

I find comparisons to Ali very interesting, Jones's speed is as quick and probably even quicker than Ali's, but can you imagine how easy a pre retirement Muhammed Ali would deal with some of the pretenders in boxing at the moment.

 

[ozbash]

he was a smart boxer yesterday. he out thought ruiz and hardly got a hand laid on him.
he would beat tua, be a points decision, i dont think he could knock dave out, he would have to get in too close.
ruiz had a huge reach advantage like lewis but jones made a mockery of the stat.
i dont think lewis could handle him, jones would determine the pace of the fight and the big boys would not be able to keep up. in the later rounds they would be at jones mercy.
thing i liked about jones yesterday was the lack of bullshit.
he was masterful and i really hope he goes all the way.

 

[El Duque]

No need to get too carried away and say he'd beat Lewis. He would not last 2 rounds with Lewis.

He beat John Ruiz who is not even a top 5 heavy.

 

[Vertigo]

Jones was very good last night because Ruiz was very ordinary. Quite simple.
I think some people are getting lost in the moment somewhat. Already comparing Jones to the best ever or the greatest is premature in my opinion based on one heavyweight fight. I couldn't even begin to compare Jones to some greatfighters I've watched like Ali,80's Tyson, Louis, Marcianoand SR Robinson to name a few. Like someone said earlier, even Tyson of today would put Jones into retirement. David Tua would do the same. The Klitchskobrothers would play with him.Lewis wouldmortifyhim.
El Duque said it best with He beat John Ruiz who is not even a top 5 heavy
My opinions of course.
What's next for Jones?
V.

 

[Vertigo]

Let me just add that, although as a whole Ruiz was ordinary last night, he did tag Jones on more than one ocassion. If that had been Tyson, Tua or Lewis behind one of those hits, Jones would have been spread-eagle. They all hit much harder than Ruiz. Jones showed that he is not un-hittable. He was just lucky that the person throwing the punches weren't KO specialists.
V.