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Rule change needed for next year

Last Week

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The same thing happened to Tom Turbo. If you keep your head down and roll away you won't receive a penalty because you look to be making an effort. Kenny just sat there with a silly look on his face.

At the moment all the responsibility is on the offside player as it should be.

So what should Kenny have done? Laid down? Milford then decides to run back to his try line and 'trip' over him. Another penalty?

There's a very obvious line, and last night shouldn't have been a penalty. At some point, the attacking player needs to take ownership.
 

LineBall

Juniors
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Yeah - should not have been a penalty. There is no way he was blocking the pass from Milford to another player. Should be play on and all Parra Players called onside.
 

OldPanther

Coach
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So what should Kenny have done? Laid down? Milford then decides to run back to his try line and 'trip' over him. Another penalty?

There's a very obvious line, and last night shouldn't have been a penalty. At some point, the attacking player needs to take ownership.

Yes. If Milford runs back and trips over him he'd get called for milking. We've seen players "trip" on defenders before and get called play on. The defender should not be offside in the first place. He's in an illegal position as it is.
 

Grapple

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But they DO do that. They shout 'milking' at the players. Rarely ever do you see someone peg the ball into the head of a player and get a penalty.

The ref who awarded it last night should be hauled over coals for it....

Yeah i'm aware they do it, that's why I suggested the rules don't need to be changed.
 
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I'd rather a single English ref in each game

Sharpen up the interpretations on offside and the ruck

The senior most English ref would become the new refs coach and every first grade ref we have is either retrained over 3 seasons or sent to centrelink
 

KeepingTheFaith

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The current rule (or at least the directive) is that in that situation the ref has no choice but to blow a penalty. It has to be a penalty 100% of the time if a ball is passed into an offside player.

What Milford and others do in that situation is BS and it looks horrible.

Refs need to be given the power to deny that as a penalty but at the moment they have no choice for whatever reason.
 

LineBall

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The current rule (or at least the directive) is that in that situation the ref has no choice but to blow a penalty. It has to be a penalty 100% of the time if a ball is passed into an offside player.

What Milford and others do in that situation is BS and it looks horrible.

Refs need to be given the power to deny that as a penalty but at the moment they have no choice for whatever reason.
Why can't the rule read "if an off-side player involves themselves with play". The onus is then on the offside player. If an attacker decides to get the defender involved, it shouldn't be a penalty.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Why can't the rule read "if an off-side player involves themselves with play". The onus is then on the offside player. If an attacker decides to get the defender involved, it shouldn't be a penalty.

No idea, it sounds simple when you put it like that doesn't it? Yet....NRL - reasons.
 

OldPanther

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Why can't the rule read "if an off-side player involves themselves with play". The onus is then on the offside player. If an attacker decides to get the defender involved, it shouldn't be a penalty.

Probably because you are now willfully allowing players to be in an offside position with a rule change. It might suck that we get milking but defenders do and should have all the responsibility here as they are offside.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Something needs to be done about the hookers passing the ball into players. There is a difference of a player laying in the ruck compared to some genuinely try to make a effort. The refs saying,"I have to give a penalty" is crap in my eyes. The refs need to distinguish between those 2 situations. I'd hate anyone's team to lose a gf because of it.

Also

Get rid of scrums.
Anytime the ball goes out/ or a mistake in play, time should stop.(for the whole game).
Reduce interchange down to 6.
 

morningstar

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It's already been outlawed in Superleague. NRL should just copy the RFL's interpretation...

http://www.skysports.com/rugby-leag...ws-to-clamp-down-on-unsportsmanlike-behaviour

In the first two rounds of this season's Super League there has been a growing trend of players seeking to gain a penalty by deliberately throwing the ball at opponents struggling to get back onside after making a tackle.

This was highlighted during Salford's game against Huddersfield last Thursday when Josh Jones threw the ball forward at Danny Brough and was awarded a penalty by referee James Child, who acted under the strict letter of the law.

Now referees are being instructed to deem such a ploy as misconduct, with players behaving against the true spirit of the game.

A statement from the RFL read: "Following a review of the first two weeks of the Betfred Super League season, it has become clear that some players are deliberately passing a ball into a player with the sole intention of forcing the match official to award a penalty for offside.

"Having reviewed these incidents, Rugby Football League head of match officials, Steve Ganson, has written to all head coaches and made it clear that in these situations, match officials have now been instructed to consider section 15 (i) of the laws of the game which state that a player is guilty of misconduct if he behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game.

"This does not in any way absolve a defender of his responsibilities to clear the ruck and the defending team will still be penalised should the match official deem he is interfering with play."
 
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It's already been outlawed in Superleague. NRL should just copy the RFL's interpretation...

http://www.skysports.com/rugby-leag...ws-to-clamp-down-on-unsportsmanlike-behaviour

In the first two rounds of this season's Super League there has been a growing trend of players seeking to gain a penalty by deliberately throwing the ball at opponents struggling to get back onside after making a tackle.

This was highlighted during Salford's game against Huddersfield last Thursday when Josh Jones threw the ball forward at Danny Brough and was awarded a penalty by referee James Child, who acted under the strict letter of the law.

Now referees are being instructed to deem such a ploy as misconduct, with players behaving against the true spirit of the game.

A statement from the RFL read: "Following a review of the first two weeks of the Betfred Super League season, it has become clear that some players are deliberately passing a ball into a player with the sole intention of forcing the match official to award a penalty for offside.

"Having reviewed these incidents, Rugby Football League head of match officials, Steve Ganson, has written to all head coaches and made it clear that in these situations, match officials have now been instructed to consider section 15 (i) of the laws of the game which state that a player is guilty of misconduct if he behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game.

"This does not in any way absolve a defender of his responsibilities to clear the ruck and the defending team will still be penalised should the match official deem he is interfering with play."
They're so much better officiated than us it's embarrassing
 

LineBall

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Probably because you are now willfully allowing players to be in an offside position with a rule change. It might suck that we get milking but defenders do and should have all the responsibility here as they are offside.

Yes, but sometimes players will find themselves offside beyond their control. With the rule currently, If a team makes a break downfield, and gets a quick play the ball. All an attacker has to do is run back and find somebody trying to get onside - throw the ball into them and get a penalty. That's why I suggested the rule could be "if the offside player involves themselves". It's not really that different from deciding if a player has played at a ball deliberately.
 
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Stormwarrior82

Juniors
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I'm waiting for an attacking player to deliberately throw/kick the ball at the ref past half way and get a new set of six. Common sense needs to prevail in this and do like the Rfl.
 

OldPanther

Coach
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you could deadset get a penalty every single tackle if you wanted

ridiculous rule and should be abolished immediately

They have been letting it go if the defender makes an attempt to get out of the way. It has been getting called because players don't move and stick their head up. Lay down and roll away you never get penalised.
 

TheVelourFog

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They have been letting it go if the defender makes an attempt to get out of the way. It has been getting called because players don't move and stick their head up. Lay down and roll away you never get penalised.

except we have seen at least one penalty given when a ball was thrown at a player on the ground
 

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