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Rule query....

beekershark

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ON the weekend, we set for a penalty kick at the southern end . M Hilder lined up the kick from approx 10 metres to the left of the uprights. The kick was pretty much a given two points. The roosters players were mostly gathered to the right of the uprights, the side hilder was kicking from. Their trainer was on the field and water bottles, at least 3 I could see were scattered on the ground, one in goal, the other two a metre or so in the field of play. ( que lame diagram) view from overhead


--Dead BallLine-------------------------------------------------------------------

/ /
R / /
/----------/ R R R R
R R / R / R R R R R
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Try Line



Ball
HILDER REF

Rieck Zuess Bails Nuts S S S S S S




The roosters were clearly not interested in the kick and were mostly, as shown in a huddle.

Is there ANY rule that says hilder must make a valid attempt to kick the two points from this position ? He has the ball placed on the tee, moves in, but instead of kicking to the uprights, be kicks, for the CORNER. rugby union kick off style, Rieck flies through as opposed, or at the very worst, we have rieck, zuess, bails all bearing down on ONE rooster who shits himself as he realises whats going on ?

As long as the sharks chasers are onside, I dont see any problem, and instead of 2 pts, we take 4, kick to come !

If hilder kicks it along the ground, there is also a worst case scenario of a shock set on their line if we do not score, or catching the lone rooster in goal if he is lucky enough to clean up.

Thoughts ?
 

PHaTMaN

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I've often wondering the same thing, i have never seen it done which leeds me to think there may be a rule that says that it must be a real attempt at a goal. Never heard about any such rule tho, I think it would be definately worth a shot if its legal.
 

Anonymous

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I understand that if he is kicking for goal he must make a legitimate kick for the goal. However, that's not saying he couldn't have duffed the kick, missed completely and one of the lads running through to score.

As long as it looked like a legitimate attempt I think its fair game. I'll dig up the rule in a minute for you.
 

RICHO

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Yeah I'm pretty sure there's a rule covering that.
Once you say you are kicking at goal, you have no option but to kick at the sticks.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Yes there is a rule & I cant remember which one it is.
parramatta used to circumvent this rule in two ways.

1. Cronin usedto take the penalties out wide whe nthey were given. because the rule states taht a reasonableattempt must be made etc. If it faded slightly infeild the wide runners could regather & score & that was legal.

2. Cronin used to walk up to the ref & point to the sticks & say to the ref we'll take the tap. He would then proceed to place the ball & kick wherever.


Parra tries all sorts of good stuff like that. another one was when they place kicked for touch for penalties.
 

beekershark

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BUt who's to say he didnt just swing it wide LOL ?
Seems a bit ambiguous to me, I mean, he can I guess deliberately aim at the sticks and have the whole team running thru for the rebound, he can miss it 1 metre to the left and have any player come thru to score, so I dont think there can be a rule saying he cant miss it deliberately.

I think the rule you talk of is that once he says he will kick at goal, he MUST kick at goal, IE cannot take a tap and run it, and cannot kick it out on the full for a tap re-start. I dont think the rule states he must TRY to kick the goal. There is no rule for example that he cannot take the attempt at 2 pts from 5 metres off his own try line . Now, everyone knows he aint gunna kick the goal, but he can "try" to. Obvioulsy there would be no gain from that in the situation we talk of here.
 

blacktip-reefy

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No ihave been through this years ago
The rule says that he must make a legitimate attempt at goal.
thi alos prevents the tap it off the mound & pick it up & run tactic.
 

RICHO

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Here's the rule:

PRETENDING TO KICK AT GOAL:

It shall be misconduct for a player to pretend to kick at goal at goal from a penalty kick and then deliberately kick it elsewhere. Such misconduct shall incur a penalty. Having informed the Referee of his intention to kick at goal from an awarded penalty kick the kicker shall not do otherwise.
 

b_shark

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I think I have seen a try scored this way before at Shark Park (many many years ago) - if it doesn't go dead from the kick then the defending team can run it out of goal (can't they?) - so why wouldn't the attacking team be able to also play for the ball (as long as they are on-side).
 
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If you were going to try it why make it obvious by even taking a place kick?

The rules still say you can take a drop kick for goal on a penalty - very easy to muff the kick then.
 

beekershark

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100% right B shark. If the players can score because the kicker accidently missed, then the rule is floored, they cannot possibly police it. The best time for this would have been the heavy winds V the dogs, no ref in his right mind could say that the kicker, aiming at right angles to the posts, did not TRY and get it thru.

If the rules are serious, then they must make penalty goals dead ball situations, cannot rebound, automatic tep restart to thye defence if he misses but does not go dead, autmatic 20 metre drop out if he kicks it dead.
 

beekershark

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Good point whats in a name.

We can do it in the semis and win the match I reckon. Give the penalty to noddy to kick, and there is no grounds at all then for the ref to say he missed deliberately, it could go anywhere as it is !
 
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thanks beekershark

if we have a tailwind we could also get that Merritt boy to take 70 metre penalty shots by dropkick if he can duplicate that drop out he did up at Newcastle ha ha ha
 

Nullajet

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remember that try to grant goodlet versus souths in the rain? he fielded a missed alan wilson attempt at penalty (legit lol) and then tried to pass it to get out of in goal....straight into the hands of goodlet....TRY!!!!

it was justice too, because docko had been denied a legit try just minutes before!!!
 

Punk

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I think this is closer to what you meant.

Code:
Dead BallLine-------------------------------------------------------------------

                                           /            /
                             R           /            /
                                         /----------/    R   R  R   R
                               R    R /      R    /    R R R R R
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Try Line



                                                                    Ball
                                                                          HILDER     REF

Rieck       Zuess       Bails      Nuts    S  S       S        S      S       S



                      O                O
 imasharkie --->      |_     ____o    _|     <--- pogo
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                               /\
                                |
                            mcsharkie

Although the 'guys' at the bottom are a different type of query.
 

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