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Rules that arn't exploited but could be

Ridders

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When the dummy half is looking to pick the ball up and an opposition tackler is lying within the play-the-ball region. Why aren't hookers taught to make it look as though the player is obstructing you every single time either by tripping over him as your trying to pick the ball up, knocking the ball on in the process of picking it up because he obstructed you, or simply passing it into him while he's still in an off-side position.

I see this occasionally, but not nearly as much as it should be used.
 

Dutchy

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One thing that teams should use more is kick it out from kick offs. Just drive the ball hard along the ground to the sideline. Scrum feed bout 35 out.
 

RL1908

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The recent try by Luke Burt for Parra where he stripped the ball one-on-one in the in-goal from the Panther's Jarrod Sammut was a good one.

But to take the Burt example further, the rules provide that a try is scored by simultaneous grounding in the in-goal - so I reckon you don't even need to strip the ball, just get an equal grasp on it, and then fall to the ground and claim a try.

I would never countenance a player feigning injury to exploit the rules, but if a game was in golden point or a draw near fulltime, and you were within field goal reach, if play is stopped by the referee at the play-the-ball for an injured player etc, then you would have all the time in the world to almost closely huddle/arrange the other 10 players in an inverted U-shape so that they passively block the opposition's path to the kicker. Of course, you have to leave an opening to pass the ball to the kicker. If the kicker's team mates are simply standing still, I'm not sure they could/would be penalised for obstruction.
 

Ausguy

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One thing that teams should use more is kick it out from kick offs. Just drive the ball hard along the ground to the sideline. Scrum feed bout 35 out.


agree, defending teams put maybe 2 players between the 40 and the 10 metre lines.... drill the ball at low height.... most time it will bounce over the sidelines up high anyway.... just smash is, i reckon more often than not they would go out...
 

Butters

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Contesting scrums. Whenever the defending team so much as gives the scrum a slight push they more often than not catch the attacking scrum off guard and they usually all fall on their ass and lose the ball.

Also does anyone know can the attacking team keep the ball in the scrum and push it forward while keeping the ball between the locks feet and therefore stilll in the scrum?
 

jimmythehand

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One of my pet hates at the moment is the players taking advantage not of the rules but of the ignorance of the referees.

When a grubber kick is put through, players will shield the ball over the dead ball line. However, what happens so many times is that the ball takes a final bounce in the in-goal area, and before it bounces out it touches the full-back - over the dead ball line - and is ruled a 20m restart. I'm sure that the correct ruling should be a goal line drop-out.

They changed the rule a few years ago so that you if you put a foot out and play at the ball while it's still in-play then it's a goal line drop-out. And that's exactly what they're doing and getting a 20m tap for it.
 

no name

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Kick the ball into the referee ALL THE TIME.

I know the attacking team gets the scrum feed, and six more tackles, correct?

If so just keep bloody doing it and after a few times you will be on the opposition's 10m line!
By attacking, the rule is who has the territorial advantage. If you take a run off your own goal line and bump into the ref, the opposition get the scrum.
 

gsweeper

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What will happen if while doing a hitup u jump both feet off the ground into the defence will this be a mid air tackel?

Don't try this if you are running the ball up, it doesn't end well, i know from experience :lol:
 

Bulldog Force

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2. If a kicker has been doing deep kick off's to one side, a player should do a run up from outside the field of play and jump and try and catch it if it comes close.
Why? If the ball's going out, let it go out and get a penalty from halfway!
 

RufusRex

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if a ball is going to land in the field of play and a player leaps from outside the field of play and touches the ball before either they or the ball land in play then the ball is considered out.

They do not even have to catch it, they just have to touch the ball.
 

skeepe

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Kick the ball into the referee ALL THE TIME.

I know the attacking team gets the scrum feed, and six more tackles, correct?

If so just keep bloody doing it and after a few times you will be on the opposition's 10m line!

While true, field position is used to indicate who the attacking team is in this instance and not posession, so a team could only take advantage of it once they had passed halfway.

If a team did it in their own half, they'd literally be handing the ball over to the other team.
 

Gaba

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Simple way around that, video ref can rule REFS CALL and the ref can rule on the forward pass...
but that is still techincally a ruling by the video ref, even though it went a refs call, video refs cant advise on forward passes either

by going to the video ref the onfield ref deemed to rule the pass ok,he wanted to see if it was a knock on

so the video ref have to say to the onfield it was not a knock on
 
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Eels Dude

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but that is still techincally a ruling by the video ref, even though it went a refs call, video refs cant advise on forward passes either

by going to the video ref the onfield ref deemed to rule the pass ok,he wanted to see if it was a knock on

so the video ref have to say to the onfield it was not a knock on

It did happen in a game last year. The on field ref went upstairs, and the forward pass was so obvious that the video ref just put up refs call, and the on field ref ruled it a no try. So while it shouldn't be allowed, there is that loophole to allow them to do it.
 

Eels Dude

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While true, field position is used to indicate who the attacking team is in this instance and not posession, so a team could only take advantage of it once they had passed halfway.

If a team did it in their own half, they'd literally be handing the ball over to the other team.

It really is a silly rule though to determine possesion by that way. When the rule was made it made sense because scrums were still contested. It's just a case of the rule not being changed to reflect the way the game has changed.
 

Bulldog Force

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if a ball is going to land in the field of play and a player leaps from outside the field of play and touches the ball before either they or the ball land in play then the ball is considered out.

They do not even have to catch it, they just have to touch the ball.
Don't really like that idea, because the ball was originally going to land in the field of play (which is fairly within the rules) - it's already bad enough that from kickoff, one foot on the touchline, catch the ball (even though it would normally stay in) and you get the 50m let alone this one.
 

Gaba

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It did happen in a game last year. The on field ref went upstairs, and the forward pass was so obvious that the video ref just put up refs call, and the on field ref ruled it a no try. So while it shouldn't be allowed, there is that loophole to allow them to do it.

yes i rember that game broncos vs dragons , maxwell went up stairs, then when it came back to the ref call maxwell went it back to maxwell he called it a knock on.

video ref
explaination was given in the ref meeting ,was he ask whether the ball was passed or not, the video ref said he lost control ball of the ball before the motion of passing the ball.




Yes if video ref are going to go through loopholes, then thats a reason why finch should be sacked
 
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When the dummy half is looking to pick the ball up and an opposition tackler is lying within the play-the-ball region. Why aren't hookers taught to make it look as though the player is obstructing you every single time either by tripping over him as your trying to pick the ball up, knocking the ball on in the process of picking it up because he obstructed you, or simply passing it into him while he's still in an off-side position.

I see this occasionally, but not nearly as much as it should be used.

Because sometimes you get an incompetent dipsh*t of a ref that will wont blow a penalty and give them the ball off your error.
Happened to me earlier this yr, bout 10 out no markers and a huge hole behind the ruck, i jumped out took off tripped over the merkin in the process and ended up knocking on, dumb merkin said it was my fault.
 

Eels Dude

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yes i rember that game broncos vs dragons , maxwell went up stairs, then when it came back to the ref call maxwell went it back to maxwell he called it a knock on.

video ref
explaination was given in the ref meeting ,was he ask whether the ball was passed or not, the video ref said he lost control ball of the ball before the motion of passing the ball.




Yes if video ref are going to go through loopholes, then thats a reason why finch should be sacked

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same game, but in that case common sense prevailed and an obvious no try was prevented from being allowed. The correct decision may not have come about the right way, but it was a correct decision.
 

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