Rumoured and Confirmed Signings and TheRam's whinging XXVIII

[strider]

Source.

Whats YOUR source gary. All these source posts have nothing to stand on as far as im concerned

 

[strider]

ElD, every merkin in the world understands there was this round 13 thing in the players favour.

Either you are just playing silly buggers or you are daft as all f**k.

 

[hineyrulz]

It's a special sauce of his own creation.

 

[El Diablo]

ElD, every merkin in the world understands there was this round 13 thing in the players favour.

Either you are just playing silly buggers or you are daft as all f**k.

you have nfi what i'm talking about

the Titans had a signed contract from DCE

Parra had a signed contract with Hopoate

neither were registered with the NRL so there should be no different rules applied

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

you have nfi what i'm talking about

the Titans had a signed contract from DCE

Parra had a signed contract with Hopoate

neither were registered with the NRL so there should be no different rules applied

My god.

The fact that 2 things possess a common property does not make them the same.

For starters, do you understand that the rules are/were different for contracts with a player's current team, relative to contracts with a (potential) new team. One contract was with a player's current club, the other was not.

 

[Gronk]

you have nfi what i'm talking about

the Titans had a signed contract from DCE

Parra had a signed contract with Hopoate

neither were registered with the NRL so there should be no different rules applied

The difference was of course that wit the DCE matter it was understood by both parties that the player could withdraw from the deal at any time prior to Rnd 13.

Hoppa was (I assume) not informed that we were reserving our rights to rescind the offer and that contracts would not be binding until registration.

So the court needs to decide if there was a contract. If a contact was deemed on foot then perhaps Hoppa is entitled to damages.

 

[phantom eel]

you have nfi what i'm talking about

the Titans had a signed contract from DCE

Parra had a signed contract with Hopoate

neither were registered with the NRL so there should be no different rules applied

In DCE's case, the player was happy the contract wasn't lodged, because he was being courted and received (and chose) a better offer.

In Hoppa's case, no-one else wanted to sign him so he's not happy the contract wasn't lodged. The case is about damages/loss of earnings for Hoppoate - a situation that didn't arise for DCE because he got a better deal before the other (Titans) contract was lodged.

As simplistic as we'd like it all to be, you cant call an apple and an orange the same, just because they're both fruit.

 

[84 Baby]

and every party to the contract knows that the contract is not binding until after round 13, and that a player who has signed for a new club can rescind the unregistered contract. Everybody who matters knows what the rules are when they make their decision.

Actually ED has a point (at best poorly conveyed) about the whole 'rescindable until registered with NRL, who will only register after this set date' problem. Seems odd that the clubs would have given that much power for so long to the players to effectively tie up clubs for however long and then leave them hanging. It seems to me that clubs should have probably gotten together to either extinguish that clause or set in clauses in their own favour as well.

I guess it's all part of reason for the move to cooling off period now.

Plus I wondered if the club has explored the avenue of bringing the NRL to account, if we lose Hoppa case, as to the fairness of the Rd 13 rule? I guess it wouldn't look good against the 4 point threat though

 

[El Diablo]

The difference was of course that wit the DCE matter it was understood by both parties that the player could withdraw from the deal at any time prior to Rnd 13.

Hoppa was (I assume) not informed that we were reserving our rights to rescind the offer and that contracts would not be binding until registration.

So the court needs to decide if there was a contract. If a contact was deemed on foot then perhaps Hoppa is entitled to damages.

according to NRL rules there was no contract

 

[strider]

you have nfi what i'm talking about

the Titans had a signed contract from DCE

Parra had a signed contract with Hopoate

neither were registered with the NRL so there should be no different rules applied

tbh I'm pretty sure you've got NFI what you are talking about

 

[Gronk]

The contract dispute is due back in the Supreme Court this week

BTW I don't see any listing for Hopoate in the next 21 days.

Except for a civil case against his father/security firm regarding this 2011 story..

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/fa...n-duque-castillo/story-e6freuy9-1225983563403

 

[strider]

Actually ED has a point (at best poorly conveyed) about the whole 'rescindable until registered with NRL, who will only register after this set date' problem. Seems odd that the clubs would have given that much power for so long to the players to effectively tie up clubs for however long and then leave them hanging. It seems to me that clubs should have probably gotten together to either extinguish that clause or set in clauses in their own favour as well.

I guess it's all part of reason for the move to cooling off period now.

Plus I wondered if the club has explored the avenue of bringing the NRL to account, if we lose Hoppa case, as to the fairness of the Rd 13 rule? I guess it wouldn't look good against the 4 point threat though

Yes the clubs hold no power when they sign a player from another club.

But it also works their way when one of their players signs with another club - they could keep negotiating and get them back.

So I think clubs just sat on the fence.


I think everyone realises it was a f**ked up rule .... just took people a while to do anything about it.

 

[strider]

according to NRL rules there was no contract

there was no "NRL registered" piece of paper .... there were other pieces of paper where we were gonna pay him money

if you signed with someone to pay you a significant amount of money - and then told a few other places that were considering employing you that you wouldn't be working with them - then weeks/months later the company you signed with came back and said - oh we never put it in our payroll system so you have no job - i reckon you'd be pretty f**kin unimpressed

 

[Twizzle]

BTW I don't see any listing for Hopoate in the next 21 days.

Except for a civil case against his father/security firm regarding this 2011 story..

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/fa...n-duque-castillo/story-e6freuy9-1225983563403

Wonder if it may have already been settled out of court

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Actually ED has a point (at best poorly conveyed) about the whole 'rescindable until registered with NRL, who will only register after this set date' problem. Seems odd that the clubs would have given that much power for so long to the players to effectively tie up clubs for however long and then leave them hanging. It seems to me that clubs should have probably gotten together to either extinguish that clause or set in clauses in their own favour as well.

I guess it's all part of reason for the move to cooling off period now.

There's a difference between it (the round 13 rule) being a stupid rule and being able to sue players/clubs who simply exercised their rights under that regime (which was what ElD suggest should happen to DCE). Everybody who signed a player from another club knew exactly what the situation was.

And yes, it is largely why we've got the common cooling off period now.

 

[El Diablo]

there was no "NRL registered" piece of paper .... there were other pieces of paper where we were gonna pay him money

if you signed with someone to pay you a significant amount of money - and then told a few other places that were considering employing you that you wouldn't be working with them - then weeks/months later the company you signed with came back and said - oh we never put it in our payroll system so you have no job - i reckon you'd be pretty f**kin unimpressed

stiff shit

they're the rules

DCE's backflip did nothing to help the Titans recruiting either but they had to deal with it

players can't have it both ways

 

[TheRam]

stiff shit

they're the rules

DCE's backflip did nothing to help the Titans recruiting either but they had to deal with it

players can't have it both ways

I love to say it, and I will.

My stalker is a dumb f**k!

 

[Suitman]

Discussing ANY issue with El D is a lose/lose situation.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Come on El D, admit that you might be oversimplifying things and then we can all move on.

 

[El Diablo]

the rules are simple