Rumours and Stuff

[Glenneel]

I might try and clear some things up with a Biblical perspective if I may. No I'm not asking anyone to convert or anything but there is a few gripes I have with the Christian community and western Christianity itself. The hell preachers we hear really started from the middle ages and it's become more of a western creation as such. Hell technically is separation from God for eternity and it' s our choice. If we go back to Gods original plan, heaven and earth were together, we were created in his image to love and worship him and to love each other. We told God to piss off and have been doing that since the dawn of time so there already is that separation. Won't go into too much theology here but hopefully can give a quick enough overview. So humans have separated from God but God throughout the Bible have slowly been reconciling us back to him where Jesus dies on the cross, paid for our sins and we 'choose' wether we want that relationship back or not. If we don't want God, then he won't force us to and your choice is respected and when you die you therefore will be in hell (sheol) meaning grave. So technically atheists are correct, you die then nothing but for those who want an eternal life, which I think is pretty cool, we have that gift. Again that's a whole other long theological discussion but just giving a brief explanation as best I can.
So Izzy maybe using hell in the way I do not like, the eternal torment fire and brimstone preaching which grinds my gears, but hey, I may be wrong in my theology as well and I know I am hated by many Christians for my view as well. So personally when I speak Jesus I do it because I'm like hey, eternal life is real cool and also for me my life has been transformed and have been saved by suicide and depression, life is great and that's all I want to share and I never want to scare someone of hell. Izzy should have handled it way better IMO but again, I may be wrong here.

Sorry for the religious talk, hoping it may explain some things somewhat and try not to flame too hard,.

A video that may help.

Peace

In Norse mythology there is a hel (yes correct spelling). Did christanity adopt this as it has other pagan myths/festivals? Easter (pagan ritual eustress) is the celebration of spring and birth of Christ is pagan ritual for winter solstice (adjusted by a few days). Like I said fairytale.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

One of the rumour pages on FB believes Jnr is going to knock back the Raiders and come back to Parra.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Not schizophrenic ?

That's very offensive. I believe the correct term is 'differently abled'.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Which atheists are those your talking about?

These ones:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

In Norse mythology there is a hel (yes correct spelling). Did christanity adopt this as it has other pagan myths/festivals? Easter (pagan ritual eustress) is the celebration of spring and birth of Christ is pagan ritual for winter solstice (adjusted by a few days). Like I said fairytale.

The solstices and equinoxes are objective astrological events. They are the obvious time to stage a holy day, and when the pagans became Christians why wouldn't they keep their holidays? They didn't throw away their culture or language.

Come as you are.

 

[Glenneel]

One of the rumour pages on FB believes Jnr is going to knock back the Raiders and come back to Parra.

Hope so as just my right amount of fatness.

 

[Glenneel]

These ones:

I thought you were talking about the Nazis most of whom were religious. Even the catholic church helped them.

 

[Snoochies]

In Norse mythology there is a hel (yes correct spelling). Did christanity adopt this as it has other pagan myths/festivals? Easter (pagan ritual eustress) is the celebration of spring and birth of Christ is pagan ritual for winter solstice (adjusted by a few days). Like I said fairytale.

The remembrance of Christ death and resurrection has been going on for 2000 years. We have the writings from Paul as early as the 50's AD reciting a creed used by early Christians :1 Corinthians 15:3-8 which was well within the lifetime of those who were living with Jesus at the time. This all within 20 years of his death and resurrection so any myth could have been debunked straight away and 20 years is too short of a time for legend to creep in.
Easter you are correct technically. As Christianity spread throughout Europe, naturally the Christians of the time did not want to partake in Pagans practises and such as Pagan festivals died out, they were replace by Christian celebration and from my own understanding, a lot of old pagan traditions still remain. The remembrance of Christ though has gone on since his death and is actually aligned with Passover. Christmas is the same, another pagan festival that eroded away and made way for Christmas. The birth of Jesus wasn't a celebration til much later but were in the gospels themselves which were spread out from Israel to Rome and to the world.
Jesus on hell which was often referred to Gehenna which was derived from the Hebrew ge hinnom or the "valley of Hinnom which is translated to hell which was a place for the dead outside of Jeruselum often used with imagery as a consuming fire. When Jesus was speaking his audience were the Hebrews and if often used imagery from the hewbrew texts to portray the message, to his listeners there is no doubt they knew what he was teaching and what the meanings were. We though now try to interpret through our own lens and unfortunately we don't look too hard anymore to find the real meaning of anything but will learn from a forum or quick meme. So please look into it. The events you claim are made up have very good historical backing even if you disagree with the message, it pays to understand or at least look at both sides. I came from an atheistic background and was surprised when I took in the information objectively. I don't know a lot and may no doubt be wrong so it pays to keep an open mind.

Cheers

 

[Glenneel]

The solstices and equinoxes are objective astrological events. They are the obvious time to stage a holy day, and when the pagans became Christians why wouldn't they keep their holidays? They didn't throw away their culture or language.

Come as you are.

Yes but the catholic church says they are the days Christ was born and died. Did christ even exist as apparently nothing written about him until about 30 years after he died? We do know Buddha and Mohammad actually existed.

 

[Stevie]

Hope so as just my right amount of fatness.

LOL very good Glenn. I like that you take the piss out of you as well

 

[Stevie]

Junior Paulo + Another merkin for mine for the props. Then, a hooker.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I thought you were talking about the Nazis most of whom were religious. Even the catholic church helped them.

Everyone smashed the Nazis, including every Christian country other than Italy. The Communists were left to murder and oppress in the name of rationality and equality.

 

[Stevie]

For anyone cares about anything other than make believe gods. The Eels are going into camp for the Raiders. They are all going away together this afternoon to bunker down for a couple days before smashing into the Raiders Saturday night.

 

[84 Baby]

For anyone cares about anything other than make believe gods. The Eels are going into camp for the Raiders. They are all going away together this afternoon to bunker down for a couple days before smashing into the Raiders Saturday night.

Better than going in too camp

Edit - especially if we want to sign Folau

 

[Bazal]

The Communists were left to murder and oppress in the name of rationality and equality.

Yeah, it was nothing to do with the fact that WW2 had just ended with two nukes, and no merkin wanted WW3 with that kind of outcome on a grand scale...which is entirely the reason a COLD war happened instead.

 

[hineyrulz]

For anyone cares about anything other than make believe gods. The Eels are going into camp for the Raiders. They are all going away together this afternoon to bunker down for a couple days before smashing into the Raiders Saturday night.

Ambush!!

 

[Bazal]

Ambush!!

They're bunkering down in Kambah. These merkins will come out ready to f**ken kill!

 

[Gronk]

That's very offensive. I believe the correct term is 'differently abled'.

Your thoughts on the hypothesis that the person known as Jesus was a schizophrenic suffering from grandiose delusions ? Plausible ?

 

[Snoochies]

Yes but the catholic church says they are the days Christ was born and died. Did christ even exist as apparently nothing written about him until about 30 years after he died? We do know Buddha and Mohammad actually existed.

Again no, not sure where your information is coming from. If you can show me from a Catholic source that is what they believe I'd be surprised. Nearly all historians agree Jesus was a historical figure who taught and died in 1st century Palestine and started a following and the amount of manuscripts available we have today, some dating back to the 2nd century really leaves no room for a made up story. We know Christianity started to spread from 30 as onwards and within 40 years was spreading rapidly through Rome to which Nero started the slaughter of Christians and blaming them for the burning of Rome.
Not asking you to believe but please do some research for yourself, there is a lot of good historical data out there. Flick us a PM if I can direct you in anyway, I don't want to hijack this fourm and be good to get it back to footy and stuff.

Apologies to the forum,.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah, it was nothing to do with the fact that WW2 had just ended with two nukes, and no merkin wanted WW3 with that kind of outcome on a grand scale...which is entirely the reason a COLD war happened instead.

Plenty of Western intellectuals admired the Communists. Plenty still do.