Rumours and Stuff

[T-Boon]

What do we do with Gutho then? He definitely isn't a centre we saw that in SOO. Maybe Gutho to 6 Brown to 7 give Moses the flick

Well Moses is a lot better than Brown so I would say 7. Moses 6. Gutherson.
But I think that is okay.
Guth is good but I think what he brings to the team can be done from 5/8.

 

[strider]

Well Moses is a lot better than Brown so I would say 7. Moses 6. Gutherson.
But I think that is okay.
Guth is good but I think what he brings to the team can be done from 5/8.

and Drown then decides to go to melbourne (who switch hughes back to his preferred fullback spot cos Pap is gone) - and Drown proceeds to become a superstar - behind the biggest forward pack indecades ... meanwhile Pap is good, but single handedly he doesn't turn a club's fortunes ...... and we shit bag our club for the next 2 decades ...... good times

 

[TheRam]

We should agressively pursue Papenhausen. He is a local junior, his mum is an Eels fan. He would be exactly who we need. Or someone like him.

Speaking of Melbourne, how good is Harry? I expected him to make a much needed difference to the Storm especially to their attacking structures but wow, what a performance in his first game back and first for him of the season.

I know the guy has only played about 20 NRL games, but I'll say it now. He is the best player in the NRL.

Period.

If I were building a roster from scratch right now, he would be the first player I would sign without a doubt. Then probably Cleary, and then Papenhuyzen.

On Pap, I prefer watching him to Tedesco. Pap I find excites me, Tedesco as good as he is, never excites me. I find his ability to bounce off players and break tackles obviously great and he deserves all the wraps, but I don't find him all that exciting to watch.

If Pap continues to play as he is, he is slightly ahead of Tedesco for mine. Oh and the stats for this year suggest that also, but there is barely a bees wick between them.

But back to Harry, what a player? If the Storm stay injury free, I rate them equal favourites with the Panthers for the title this year. Toss a coin on game day.

 

[Delboy]

Pap’s parents are neighbours of mine in Kellyville, they are Eels fans except for the game agst Storm. Don’t believe they have any influence over Ryan, but he’s often around when the Scum play in Sydney.

 

[lingard]

Martin Offiah

Too old, too slow.

 

[T-Boon]

Pap’s parents are neighbours of mine in Kellyville, they are Eels fans except for the game agst Storm. Don’t believe they have any influence over Ryan, but he’s often around when the Scum play in Sydney.

Another example of our junior system failing.

 

[T-Boon]

I am at the point of saying Bellamy is the best RL coach in history based on how none of his original stars are around anymore and all these new ones seem as good.

 

[TheRam]

Pap’s parents are neighbours of mine in Kellyville, they are Eels fans except for the game agst Storm. Don’t believe they have any influence over Ryan, but he’s often around when the Scum play in Sydney.

That birdie has flown. It would be pointless to sign him now. It would cost around $1m to prise him out of Melboune now.

I don't want to pay that much for a player that won't influence our team that much more then who we have there at the moment and probably our best player.

What we need to do is find some real pace in our centres and or wingers. That would change everything. Gutho's game would also go to a higher level still if he could work with some genuine speed around him.

 

[T-Boon]

That birdie has flown. It would be pointless to sign him now. It would cost around $1m to prise him out of Melboune now.

I don't want to pay that much for a player that won't influence our team that much more then who we have there at the moment and probably our best player.

What we need to do is find some real pace in out centres and or wingers. That would change everything. Gutho's game would also go to a higher level still if he could work with some genuine speed around him.

We need to ask ourselves what would the Roosters do and do that. You are talking like what would the Tigers do.
I would go after only super stars.

 

[T-Boon]

What we need to do is find some real pace in our centres and or wingers. That would change everything. Gutho's game would also go to a higher level still if he could work with some genuine speed around him.

We should do that for the rest of this year.
Could we get Izzy Folau?

 

[lingard]

and Drown then decides to go to melbourne (who switch hughes back to his preferred fullback spot cos Pap is gone) - and Drown proceeds to become a superstar - behind the biggest forward pack indecades ... meanwhile Pap is good, but single handedly he doesn't turn a club's fortunes ...... and we shit bag our club for the next 2 decades ...... good times

Dylan Brown will never be a superstar. Papenwhatsisname would be very good at fullback for the Eels. And I'm starting to believe that Gutho actually would be a very good five-eight. If we had a spine of:
1. Papenhuysen; 6.Gutherson; 7 Moses; and 9. Mahony, we could afford to do what the storm do - with two solid defensive centres and two fast wingers. Our current halves pairing is good - but not good enough to win a premiership with. Not for this team, anyway.

 

[lingard]

That birdie has flown. It would be pointless to sign him now. It would cost around $1m to prise him out of Melboune now.

I don't want to pay that much for a player that won't influence our team that much more then who we have there at the moment and probably our best player.

What we need to do is find some real pace in our centres and or wingers. That would change everything. Gutho's game would also go to a higher level still if he could work with some genuine speed around him.

That's probably true. But paying a shitload for Papenhuysen would give us an elite fullback, whilst at the same time strengthening our halves enormously (shift Gutho to five-eight). A kind of two for the price of one thing.

 

[TheRam]

We need to ask ourselves what would the Roosters do and do that. You are talking like what would the Tigers do.
I would go after only super stars.

At this point we would pay more then what the roosters would pay, as they did when they first got Tedesco. We need to have continual success and be seen as a club with no peers before we can pay a slight discount for superstar players like they do.

Are we at that point yet? Obviously not. We need to win a Premiership or two first. Yeah I know, the chicken or the egg? But Gutho isn't by any means our problem. It is our inconsistent halves who don't know how to play off basically the best and most powerful pack in the NRL and the lack of off the mark genuine pace in our centres and wingers.

As much as I agree with you and we should try to mimic where applicable the best run clubs and have advocated it many times myself, this is not the time to run out and spend a $1m on a player that if we don't improve our overall attacking structures would struggle to find the same opportunities that he has, playing for a team that has the best coach and tactics(whether we like them or not) and much more consistent playmakers not to mention other speedsters around him and an equally monster pack as ours.

We need to recruit for speed right now, wisely. That is why I have suggested someone like Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow who wouldn't break the bank and is playing for a crappy team and might find it appealing to play for one of the top teams in the NRL right now. We need to identify speed with value. Hamo wouldn't cost more the $500K. I would try to throw in Waqa as a trade also to get him off our books if possible.

The only players I would run out and pay a $1m for right now that would change our fortunes guaranteed are N. Cleary and or H. Grant and there is more chance of hell freezing over then that ever happening.

Note: What the Roosters do the best is target the best up and coming juniors throughout Australia and bring them through their system. Rarely do they recruit million dollar established superstars. Even Tedesco and Keary came to them much cheaper because they were leaving clubs for personal reasons and chose to go to a strong club that they knew was a Premiership contender.

 

[TheRam]

That's probably true. But paying a shitload for Papenhuysen would give us an elite fullback, whilst at the same time strengthening our halves enormously (shift Gutho to five-eight). A kind of two for the price of one thing.

Massive gamble and you still haven't strengthened(speed) any of our other outside backs. And now Paps is playing in a team that have inconsistent halves that don't know how to use their forwards or backs correctly and a dummy half who can be awesome some weeks and may as well be standing in quicksand during others for the lack of running he does.

Someone like Pap who is small, will find it very hard to do the things he does in a inconsistent team like the Eels. Look no further then Dufty. When the Dragons are flying, he looks like a million dollars, but when they are playing crap, he actually looks like a reserve grader and even at one stage his NRL career looked like it was all but over and there were suggestions the Dragons were willing to let him go.

That is what can happen with talented, fast but smallish NRL players. They need space and opportunity to show their SPEED. Without it, they are basically passengers. We as a team are way to inconsistent at the moment, even though we are a winning team. We don't provide the opportunities in attack that the better teams can and do. Our F/A proves just that. I blame firstly our halves and dummy half for that and then the lack of speed out wide.

If we improved on either of those then obviously our attack would also, but to pay a million for a player that may or may not produce a million dollar performances each and every week, because we haven't addressed our other more pressing shortcomings is folly of the highest order.

 

[TheRam]

We should do that for the rest of this year.
Could we get Izzy Folau?

Yes we should. But Izzy is past it and would offer very little in my opinion other then headlines much like the ones the Roosters got(without the feel good side of things) when they signed SBW last year, but just as unimpressive on the field. Pop gun impact.

Next suggestion pls? Hopefully you have one that is viable and actually good.

 

[T-Boon]

Massive gamble and you still haven't strengthened(speed) any of our other outside backs. And now Paps is playing in a team that have inconsistent halves that don't know how to use their forwards or backs correctly and a dummy half who can be awesome some weeks and may as well be standing in quicksand during others for the lack of running he does.

If you shift Gutherson to 5/8 and Brown to centre it may increase speed of the centres. As I understand it Brown is supposed to be fast though he doesnt look it to me.

 

[TheRam]

Dylan Brown will never be a superstar. Papenwhatsisname would be very good at fullback for the Eels. And I'm starting to believe that Gutho actually would be a very good five-eight. If we had a spine of:
1. Papenhuysen; 6.Gutherson; 7 Moses; and 9. Mahony, we could afford to do what the storm do - with two solid defensive centres and two fast wingers. Our current halves pairing is good - but not good enough to win a premiership with. Not for this team, anyway.

Again you are taking a massive risk on a million dollar player, taking a gamble on moving a player that was runner up in the Daley M's last year, and probably should have won it if the voting was fair and logical, out of his preferred position and plonking him into a roll that he may or may not succeed in.

I love Pap, he is an out and out superstar, but at this stage he is not what I would be spending a million dollars on.

 

[Bandwagon]

What do we do with Gutho then? He definitely isn't a centre we saw that in SOO. Maybe Gutho to 6 Brown to 7 give Moses the flick

Gutho could make great centre, maybe SOO wasn't the ideal place and time to start his career in that position

 

[Gazzamatta]

Maybe with the right direction we already have these game changing players within our ranks?

 

[T-Boon]

How did we not go after Addo Carr last off season?