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Bandwagon

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I hope we are talking to Doorey and Fariner Mariner. Dogs won't have a lot to throw at these two.
They had to sign players but how do you compare it to what Penrith did? They still used a huge core of young guys they developed with the odd big signing.
Dogs basically signed 5 huge names and 5 + well known players. Who in the squad will they get great value from?
Other clubs will start to circle their up and coming juniors.I think they must be aware there isn't a lot coming thru unlike Panthers who cleared the deck for all the talented they knew was about to burst into the scene.

Despite looking at the current Dogs squad and thinking there'd have to be some bargains there, they would have been, and will have spent their cap on these guys.

That's gotta tell you there's quite a few blokes on overs right now in their squad, any of those guys contracted through 2023, unless they can lift their market value next year, will be costing the dogs money to move on.
 

Poupou Escobar

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You underestimate how incompetent some people can be. Do you not look around and see people at work? Surely you must realise there are a lot of people out there who are bad at their job.
Sure, but when it comes to decision makers it's a lot harder to judge their performance and ability, especially if you don't work closely with them. These people are managing competing priorities, so judging them on the results of a single event is f**king stupid, and shows you've got no idea.
 

Poupou Escobar

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So if we have a roster built with very good players but no superstars how are were we unable to keep Mahoney or offer him a fair deal??? Wheres all the money gone??? Someone must be on overs even though we apparently don't do them anymore..........
Here's this dumbass black and white thinking that has you merkins so frustrated with footy. It's like you think every player is either a superstar or a plodder on minimum wage. The average salary is about $300k. Super stars are on four (or more) times that amount. Our guys are leaving for offers of roughly double the average salary, which is about half of what superstars get. How many blokes can you fit under the cap who are on double the average salary ffs?
 

Poupou Escobar

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As some have pointed out in social media, Melbourne set a price for players in the roster and have a policy not to get into bidding wars. Ignoring Storm of old, they have let JOC, Finucane, Hynes and Cheese go without a fight. Yes some will launch into this post with a LOL you’re comparing us with Storm - 35 years ! But please let’s just focus on the concept of being a club who aims for long term success vs instant success like Dogs, Tigers.
Nah we shouldn't start making smart decisions until we win a grand final ffs!
 

lucablight

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Here's this dumbass black and white thinking that has you merkins so frustrated with footy. It's like you think every player is either a superstar or a plodder on minimum wage. The average salary is about $300k. Super stars are on four (or more) times that amount. Our guys are leaving for offers of roughly double the average salary, which is about half of what superstars get. How many blokes can you fit under the cap who are on double the average salary ffs?
Could you make a list of our 2022 squad and how much each player is on to illustrate this?
 

hineyrulz

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Here's this dumbass black and white thinking that has you merkins so frustrated with footy. It's like you think every player is either a superstar or a plodder on minimum wage. The average salary is about $300k. Super stars are on four (or more) times that amount. Our guys are leaving for offers of roughly double the average salary, which is about half of what superstars get. How many blokes can you fit under the cap who are on double the average salary ffs?
Who let you out merkin??? You haven’t spun your way out of all your double sidewalking yet. Warm the shoulder up and get to work merkin!! Aim at the rough you might get some help.
 
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hineyrulz

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Hahah

Maybe we can throw in an 8ball
I think we already are



St George Illawarra Dragons' NRL dreams all but over after coach Paul  McGregor's selection error
 

84 Baby

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Sure we would have probably started with negotiations with these players earlier then now, but what type of offers were we presenting to them? It makes all the difference mate, whether they go to market or not.

By the looks of the initial offers that were quoted in the press it is not a surprise that they opted to put a freeze on negotiations and go to market. But by the time we came in with more realistic offers it was way to late, the auction was in full swing and and we had to make bids like everyone else.

Like I said you need to make it enough of an attractive offer for players to opt out of going to auction, but not at the top of their value or overs. It is a very fine art and that is why you need to have a great team of professionals that know how to value and negotiate very well. The dark arts as they call it. Lowballing each and every time becomes tiresome and annoying to players and sometimes downright insulting.

Eventually players and managers will call your bluff and test their worth. Give them a respectful offer and then you may get a pleasant and desirable response. I don't feel either of those players would have walked if we came in with at quality offer to start with and they would of haggled over a few details like length of term and option favours and so forth, but they would have signed.

To late now. Lets hope we can do better next time or we will just repeat this nonsense again.
I could just as easily say they wouldn’t have signed
 

lucablight

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Did you perchance mean three times more? I’m not sure there’s many on $1.2m, let alone more than that

According to this list here we had 3 players in the top 25 paid players featuring in the finals in Moses, Gutherson and RCG whilst the Panthers had 1 in Cleary and the Storm had 2 in Munster and Hughes.
 
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