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Pazza

Pazza

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Twizzle said:
would he though ? let's look at those 3 players

Dylbro: a very big wage and has not, in my opinion, reached his full potential as yet, so he needs to keep improving in attack. When Mitch was AWOL, he was nowhere near Mitch's level at No 7. Also a touch of the dickhead factor.

Penisini: Recently reported as having a significant front loaded deal and from what he produced last season, not even close to being worth it. He has shown potential but that's all, he needs to improve significantly.

Matto: I am a bit of a fan although some people don't want him here and he is on a decent wage also. Can be hot and cold and I think will play more of the middle forward with Ryles although I like him under Mitch's bombs on the edge. 30 years old, not too many years left and it will probably depend on how he goes this year as to whether he is worth his extension.

Of course a lot will depend on whether the options are MO, PO or CO but I don't think its all bad and may even work in our favour.

Mitch, on the other hand, is a different story at the peak of his career, so I can understand why we want to revise his deal.
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thats the issue isnt it? you cant let go of these guys cause they got POs maybe Ryles doesnt wanna keep a penisini? Ryles' ability to build the roster in his image is hampered... 2 million in cap has to be put aside until these three players have explored the market. in that time frame players Ryles maybe keen on will no doubt be talking to other clubs.

the whole situation is a shit show and if you dont think so, lets just wait and see how many more POs this club gives out. so far havent seen one in a while
 
Poupou Escobar

Poupou Escobar

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Pazza said:
thats the issue isnt it? you cant let go of these guys cause they got POs maybe Ryles doesnt wanna keep a penisini? Ryles' ability to build the roster in his image is hampered... 2 million in cap has to be put aside until these three players have explored the market. in that time frame players Ryles maybe keen on will no doubt be talking to other clubs.

the whole situation is a shit show and if you dont think so, lets just wait and see how many more POs this club gives out. so far havent seen one in a while
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It’s the same for any player on contract that he doesn’t want, including RCG, Sivo and Gutherson. Those three didn’t just have a PO, they had a fixed year that Ryles didn’t want to pay them for.

The lack of flexibility is overstated as a problem. These merkins all have deadlines that the club agreed to, and in any case the player is expected to receive new offers with their own deadlines, not sit around waiting for their option to expire. It’s a last resort. In fact the only time you could consider the option has hurt us is if the player does activate the option, because it means he couldn’t get a better offer elsewhere.
 
Poupou Escobar

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Pazza said:
the whole situation is a shit show and if you dont think so, lets just wait and see how many more POs this club gives out. so far havent seen one in a while
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They were a response to salary cap pressure in trying to keep a finals team together. We are no longer under the same cap pressure. That’s why we don’t need to offer player options any more.
 
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Tiger5150

Tiger5150

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eels_fan said:
How’s that going for you?
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now we got rid of Brooks & Stef, much better thank you.....
we can actually rebuild a roster with confidence and plan for the future. How did you enjoy spoonbowl with the uncertainty of PO's hanging over all of your key players and not being able to plan a rebuild?
 
T.S Quint

T.S Quint

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Pazza said:
no, thats why is called a player option
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It's just like any other negotiation when a contract is coming to an end. When the option year is approaching the club will decide whether they want to extend or not, and the player will decide whether they want to leave or not. They then negotiate. If the club wants the player to leave but the player doesn't then they can activate their option. In this case it's not a great result for the club (eg. Dunster), but the trade-off was that we got to sign them in the first place. In any other case it's just like any other time a player is off contract.

Pazza said:
you cant spend the money until they player makes a decision on the option....
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Just like how you can't spend the money unless a player has decided to sign any contract or not.
The player options usually give the player a bit more time to decide or not, but it's not like the club and player would not be in negotiation before the expiry date.

Pazza said:
stop trolling
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I didn't realise engaging in a reasonable conversation is trolling.
Either put your big-boy pants on and talk like an adult or f**k off.
 
Pazza

Pazza

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T.S Quint said:
The player options usually give the player a bit more time to decide
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And there lies the issue with POs, by a far bit more, as we have seen, rnd 10 the following season. That's a long hook.


T.S Quint said:
I didn't realise engaging in a reasonable conversation is trolling.
Either put your big-boy pants on and talk like an adult or f**k off.
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I don't find perthnisi impersonations 'reasonable conversation....'
 
Poupou Escobar

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Tiger5150 said:
now we got rid of Brooks & Stef, much better thank you.....
we can actually rebuild a roster with confidence and plan for the future. How did you enjoy spoonbowl with the uncertainty of PO's hanging over all of your key players and not being able to plan a rebuild?
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The PO is only a problem if you don’t want to keep them. Though if you can rissole a player with a non-PO year left on his contract (e.g. Gutherson/RCG/Sivo) you can surely do the same thing to a player with a PO. The problem isn’t the PO, it’s the fact you don’t want them at the club. Every incoming coach has that to deal with, PO or otherwise.
 
Tiger5150

Tiger5150

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Poupou Escobar said:
The PO is only a problem if you don’t want to keep them. Though if you can rissole a player with a non-PO year left on his contract (e.g. Gutherson/RCG/Sivo) you can surely do the same thing to a player with a PO. The problem isn’t the PO, it’s the fact you don’t want them at the club. Every incoming coach has that to deal with, PO or otherwise.
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Well after 3 successive spoons, there isnt that many we want to keep and the PO pushes the unknown regarding players staying 12months down the track.
Your scenario is all welland good for risolling players in the next 12 months, but if you are trying to plan for 2-3 years down the track is difficult and that is where the Tigers are and have been for the last couple of years.
 
Delboy

Delboy

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Tiger5150 said:
Well after 3 successive spoons, there isnt that many we want to keep and the PO pushes the unknown regarding players staying 12months down the track.
Your scenario is all welland good for risolling players in the next 12 months, but if you are trying to plan for 2-3 years down the track is difficult and that is where the Tigers are and have been for the last couple of years.
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Making sense in the face of Pou’s circular argument may well end up with 4/5 pages of contradictions.Everyone except Pou thinks POs rarely have any advantage to the club, then again the expectation is numerous replies.
 
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